Test results: Johnson's blood alcohol level was .072

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Vintage;1543763 said:
Its my rights as a citizen to refuse to cooperate in either case.

That is not entirely correct -- when you get a driver's license in many states, one of the conditions is submitting to such a test if pulled over. Again, in many states, this suspension is automatic and is often upheld even if you are not convicted of DUI.

As in many cases, you trade rights for privileges. Just as it is your RIGHT to drink as much as you want, if you drive with too much alcohol in your system, you lose that privilege.
 

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Wonderboyromo;1543686 said:
I think it's easy to assume what I meant.

i think that's a dangerous game on this board. i know what you said and that gets people in to heated arguments all the time about what was *meant* by what was said. but you see, i put on there it was .072 NOT .72 so i think you know i figured it out.

for all the other .whatevers, in cancun i likely hit .25, passed out by 4:30pm, and the entire next day i couldn't eat, drink anything close to resembling alcohol and cokes in cancun are terrible.

if someone hit .47, that's a prize they can have cause i don't want it.
 

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Vintage;1543725 said:
Why am I not surprised you failed to read his reply admitting he made a mistake....?

he didn't - he said he felt safe in assuming people knew what he meant, not "oops...yes. .072..."

he left it open for speculation.
 

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Remember when Sean Taylor was pulled over, and refused a breathalyzer? Here's the court's decision to overturn his penalty, or something. I don't know what it all means, but unless you're positive you won't blow in excess, refusing seems like a good move, from what I've read. Having a license suspended for a few weeks isn't a terrible thing. DUI, OTOH...

FACTS

On September 1, 2004, Officer Hamm of the South Carolina Highway Patrol responded to a report of a vehicle accident on Interstate 26 in Berkley County. When Officer Hamm arrived at the scene of the accident, paramedics were treating Taylor for his injuries. During a break in the treatment, Officer Hamm approached Taylor’s vehicle. As he approached, he smelled an odor of beer emanating from the area around Taylor. Officer Hamm arrested Taylor for driving under the influence of alcohol (DUI). Due to the extent of Taylor’s injuries, Taylor was transported to the hospital.

At the hospital, Officer Hamm determined Taylor could not take a breath test due to the heavy mouth injuries he sustained from the accident. Officer Hamm requested a blood sample from Taylor. Taylor refused to provide a blood sample, and refused to sign the implied consent form. Because Taylor refused to sign the form, Officer Hamm read it out loud, but did not provide Taylor a tangible copy. Thus, Taylor heard his implied consent rights but neither read nor signed the implied consent form.

Because Taylor refused chemical testing, Officer Hamm issued him a notice of suspension of his driver’s license. Shortly thereafter, Taylor requested a hearing to challenge the suspension of his license. On October 13, 2004, the hearing officer sustained the suspension of Taylor’s license. Taylor then petitioned the trial court to review the administrative hearing officer’s order. The trial court heard Taylor’s petition and reversed the hearing officer’s order. The Department now appeals the trial court’s order.

STANDARD OF REVIEW

The South Carolina Administrative Procedures Act establishes the standard of review for an appeal from an order of an administrative agency. Section 1-23-380(A)(6) of the South Carolina Code (2005) provides:

The court shall not substitute its judgment for that of the agency as to the weight of the evidence on questions of fact. The court may affirm the decision of the agency or remand the case for further proceedings. The court may reverse or modify the decision if substantial rights of the appellant have been prejudiced because the administrative findings, inferences, conclusions or decisions are:

(a) in violation of constitutional or statutory provisions. . . .

“The findings of an administrative agency are presumed correct and will be set aside only if unsupported by substantial evidence.” S.C. Dep’t of Motor Vehicles v. Nelson, 364 S.C. 514, 519, 613 S.E.2d 544, 547 (2005). “Substantial evidence is not a mere scintilla of evidence, nor the evidence viewed blindly from one side of the case, but is evidence which, considering the record as a whole, would allow reasonable minds to reach the conclusion the administrative agency reached in order to justify its action.” Id. “In reviewing a final decision of an administrative agency, the circuit court essentially sits as an appellate court to review alleged errors committed by the agency.” Id.

DISCUSSION

The Department argues the trial court erred in reversing the order of the administrative hearing officer. We agree.

In South Carolina, operating a motor vehicle is a privilege of the State, not a right of the individual.

The license to operate a motor vehicle upon the public highways of this state is not a property right, but is a mere privilege subject to reasonable regulations under the police power in the interest of the public safety and welfare. Such privilege is always subject to revocation or suspension for any cause relating to public safety. However, the privilege cannot be revoked arbitrarily or capriciously.

Sponar v. S.C. Dep’t of Pub. Safety, 361 S.C. 35, 39, 603 S.E.2d 412, 415 (Ct. App. 2004). As part of this privilege, individuals operating motor vehicles implicitly consent to chemical tests of their breath, blood, or urine to determine whether they are driving while under the influence of drugs or alcohol. S.C. Code Ann. § 56-5-2950 (Supp. 2004).

The implied consent laws of this State attempt to balance the interest of the State in maintaining safe highways with the interest of the individual in maintaining personal autonomy free from arbitrary or overbearing State action. The South Carolina Supreme Court articulated this policy in S.C. Dep’t of Motor Vehicles v. Nelson, 364 S.C. 514, 521, 613 S.E.2d 544, 548 (2005), when the court stated:

The implied consent laws are driven by public policy considerations. The State has a strong interest in maintaining safe highways and roads. One way to accomplish this goal is to enact laws directed at minimizing drunk driving.

Section 56-5-2950 of the South Carolina Code provides:

No tests may be administered or samples obtained unless the person has been informed in writing that:

(1) he does not have to take the test or give the samples, but that his privilege to drive must be suspended or denied for at least ninety days if he refuses to submit to the tests and that his refusal may be used against him in court;

(2) his privilege to drive must be suspended for at least thirty days if he takes the tests or gives the samples and has an alcohol concentration of fifteen one-hundredths of one percent or more;

(3) he has the right to have a qualified person of his own choosing conduct addition independent tests at his expense;

(4) he has the right to request an administrative hearing within thirty days of the issuance of the notice of suspension; and

(5) if he does not request an administrative hearing or if his suspension is upheld at the administrative hearing, he must enroll in an Alcohol and Drug Safety Action Program.

The aforementioned administrative hearing must be held within thirty days after request for the hearing is received. S.C. Code Ann. § 56-5-2951(F) (Supp. 2004). By statute, the “scope of the hearing must be limited to whether the person: (1) was lawfully arrested or detained; (2) was advised in writing of the rights enumerated in Section 56-5-2950; [or] (3) refused to submit to a test pursuant to Section 56-5-2950 . . . .” S.C. Code Ann. § 56-5-2951(F).

The Department argues the trial court erred in reversing the administrative hearing officer’s order because Taylor did not demonstrate how he was prejudiced by the fact that he did not receive a copy of the implied consent form from Officer Hamm. We agree.

In State v. Huntley, 349 S.C. 1, 6, 562 S.E.2d 472, 474 (2002), the South Carolina Supreme Court reversed the trial court and held that the results of a breathalyzer test should not have been suppressed for a violation of section 56-5-2950 because the defendant was not prejudiced by the violation. The trial court suppressed the breathalyzer test results because the breathalyzer operator tested the breathalyzer machine with a simulator test solution containing an alcohol level of .10 percent rather than the .08 percent mandated by statute. The supreme court reasoned that because the test merely determined the reliability of the breathalyzer machine’s results it was “irrelevant whether the simulator test [was operated] using an alcohol level of .10 or .08 percent.” Id. The supreme court concluded, “Even if the breathalyzer operator did not use the simulator test solution at the alcohol concentration required by [section 56-5-2950], [the defendant] was not prejudiced.” Id. Thus, the supreme court reversed the suppression of the breathalyzer test results because the defendant was not prejudiced by the statutory violation committed by the breathalyzer operator. Consequently, the Huntley decision dictates that a violation of section 56-5-2950 without resulting prejudice will not lead to a suppression of the evidence obtained pursuant to this section.

Taylor argues he was not informed of the implied consent rights in writing as provided by section 56-5-2950. Taylor does not argue that he did not receive the implied consent rights, or that he would have provided a blood test if he had received the implied consent rights in writing. Therefore, Taylor was not prejudiced by the fact that Officer Hamm read the implied consent rights out loud. Because Taylor was not prejudiced, the trial court erred in reversing the administrative hearing officer’s order.

Accordingly, the order of the trial court is

REVERSED.

KITTREDGE, WILLIAMS, JJ., AND CURETON, A.J., CONCUR.

Who knows what any of that means, and I didn't read it all, but he got cleared.

I've been reading along, and noone's condoning or encouraging drunk driving. Noone's giving tips on "how to beat the breathalyzer." Just discourse about what the best course to take legally might be - no different than advice on what to do if you may have been speeding, and would prefer to have nothing on your driving record.

Enough with the overreactions. Save the drama for your Hugh Grant.
 

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abersonc;1543773 said:
That is not entirely correct -- when you get a driver's license in many states, one of the conditions is submitting to such a test if pulled over. Again, in many states, this suspension is automatic and is often upheld even if you are not convicted of DUI.

As in many cases, you trade rights for privileges. Just as it is your RIGHT to drink as much as you want, if you drive with too much alcohol in your system, you lose that privilege.

In PA we have the implied consent law, if you refuse a blood alcohol test you automatically are charged with DUI and lose license for 1 year. When you sign for a renewal of your license the fine print says i agree to the impled consent law. Therefore anyone who has a PA driver license has already consented to a breathalizer and blood alcohol test at the police officers discretion any time you are pulled over.

In fact, if you refuse a blood alcohol test, you get charged with a DUI and the loss of license or penalty that goes with that and you get a year license suspension tacked on for refusing, so you get charged twice for the same offense.

This happened to me, after blowing a .11 when the legal limit was .10 i was taken to the hospital, a nurse told me i could refuse the blood alcohol test, that is was my right, so i signed that i was refusing the test. The officer went ballistic on me for about 5 m inuets then told me i penndot would suspend my license for 1 year, i said what happens if i fail the blood test, he said you lose your license for a year. So i thought, well i'll just forfeit my license to penndot, at least i wont get charged with DUI on my record or fined and the suspension is the same......WRONG !!!

I still got charged with DUI because refusal of blood test is automatic admission to guilt under the implied consent law, so i got charged, fined out the wazoo, had to do community service, w/e in jail, safe driving clases, substance abuse counseling, and 2 years suspension - 1 for DUI and 1 for refusing the test. And a breathalizer for 1 year on my car after that i paid 1,000$$ to have installed, and what a pain that thing was, it went off every 10 minuets and if you missed the signal cause the radio was on your car shuts off and you have 10 days to get the thing serviced and recalibrated or your car locks up and you need a tow. And how many times did that thing fail me in the morning for residual alcohol on my breath from the night before, it was so sensitive even chewing gum will set it off. all in all it cost me close to 10,000$$ in fines, lawyer fees (i had to go to court twice since charged twice for same offense), payment for classes, insurance cost increases.

Then it showed that i had 2 seperate suspensions on my record and it looked like i had 2 DUI's in the same year and i almost lost my ability to remain a licensed health professional which would have ended my carreer.
 

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LowTech;1543696 said:
Maybe you just want to stand up for your rights as a free American and not be part of the sheeple crowd
Do you have a driver license? If so, why?
 

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peplaw06;1543771 said:
No one is condoning drinking and driving.

That said, probably over 75% of the people reading this have done it at some point. I realize there is a sensitivity to this issue, and that's ok.

But a lawyer clearing up what a citizen's rights are in that situation is not condoning the behavior. It would be like me telling Summer it's best not to consent to a search of his vehicle when he has a dead body in the trunk. He has the right to refuse the search. I'm not condoning him hauling a corpse around.

I'm glad you don't put yourself in those situations, but some people do, and they still have rights. If you have a beef with that, take it up with your congressman.

I don't recall saying anyone is condoning drinking and driving. Maybe that is a bit of guilt on your part thinking I did.

Nor did I say nobody is allowed due process or rights given to them.

:confused:
 

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03EBZ06;1543831 said:
Do you have a driver license? If so, why?

It is his "right as an American" to have a license -- but apparently, it is also his right not to read the agreement he signed when he got that license.
 

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abersonc;1543848 said:
It is his "right as an American" to have a license -- but apparently, it is also his right not to read the agreement he signed when he got that license.

It is your right to apply for a license.
 

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abersonc;1543848 said:
It is his "right as an American" to have a license -- but apparently, it is also his right not to read the agreement he signed when he got that license.

My point was if he isn't a sheeple like everybody else, why bother with getting license like other sheeples.

I could be wrong but I do believe license is privilege. A privilege which can be revoked for various reasons.
 

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Doomsday101;1543851 said:
It is your right to apply for a license.

It is -- but you get that license under certain conditions -- one being you can pass a driving test, another being you agree to the terms of the license -- in most states one of the terms is that you submit to testing when pulled over.
 

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03EBZ06;1543853 said:
My point was if he isn't a sheeple like everybody else, why bother with getting license like other sheeples.

I could be wrong but I do believe license is privilege. A privilege which can be revoked for various reasons.

Like many "principled" folks, I see a real pick and choose attitude.
 

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03EBZ06;1543853 said:
I could be wrong but I do believe license is privilege. A privilege which can be revoked for various reasons.

Yes it is a privilege not a right.

You don't pass the written and drivers test you don't get the license. Also as you state it can be revoked due to certain situations.
 

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abersonc;1543528 said:
And in some states, the penalty is harsher if you refuse the test.

I am not able to speak on "other states", but I think you might be mixing apples with oranges. In most jurisdictions, a criminal prosecution for DUI is considered separate and distint from your drivers license revocation, though the two are intertwined.

I would have a hard time believing that any law could withstand constitutional scrutiny if it imposed a greater punishment as a result of the accused availing himself of his right against self incrimination.
 

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Bob Sacamano;1543530 said:
automatic 4 month suspension

your basically looked at as being guilty

take the test

Better put the law books down before you hurt yourself, or others. :laugh2:
 

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abersonc;1543855 said:
It is -- but you get that license under certain conditions -- one being you can pass a driving test, another being you agree to the terms of the license -- in most states one of the terms is that you submit to testing when pulled over.

I agree. I'm just saying it is not a right to have a license you have the right to apply for one and if you can pass the driving and written test. The state can also revoke your license
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1543842 said:
I don't recall saying anyone is condoning drinking and driving. Maybe that is a bit of guilt on your part thinking I did.

Nor did I say nobody is allowed due process or rights given to them.

:confused:

You're right, you didn't say it. But there was a string of posters there, Adam, Alex, Burm and to some extent yourself who seem mildly appalled that a lawyer would be giving someone advice on what your rights were in regards to taking a breathalyzer. You just happened to be the last one to post on it, so I quoted you. It was more of an address to all of you. I apologize if it seemed like I was ripping on you.

There's no guilt on my part. It's something I deal with pretty regularly.
 

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Bob Sacamano;1543636 said:
from a certified DUI lawyer

Q. Should I take the breathalyzer?

A. The answer is almost always yes.
If you don’t take the breathalyzer then the police can charge you with refusing to take the breathalyzer. This carries the same penalties as drunk driving, except jail time. It is also in addition to any sentence for drunk driving. For example, for a first time drunk driving offense you can lose your license for up to one year. And, if you refuse to take the breathalyzer, you can lose your license for up to one additional year! Thus, for a first time drunk driving offense and a refusal to take the breathalyzer, you are facing a loss of license for two years.

Another reason to take the breathalyzer is that it is very easy for the police to prove a refusal. The standard of proof is less - preponderance of the evidence - and anything other than an unequivocal yes is a refusal. It is harder for the police to prove the correct operation of the breathalyzer than a refusal to take the breathalyzer.

you're too easy FuzzyWuzzydoesn'thaveaclue

What jurisdiction do you live in? Do you have any direct authority citing this law you refer to? This sounds like a law that is ripe for being struck down on constitutional grounds.
 

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Hoov;1543816 said:
In PA we have the implied consent law, if you refuse a blood alcohol test you automatically are charged with DUI and lose license for 1 year. When you sign for a renewal of your license the fine print says i agree to the impled consent law. Therefore anyone who has a PA driver license has already consented to a breathalizer and blood alcohol test at the police officers discretion any time you are pulled over.

In fact, if you refuse a blood alcohol test, you get charged with a DUI and the loss of license or penalty that goes with that and you get a year license suspension tacked on for refusing, so you get charged twice for the same offense.

This happened to me, after blowing a .11 when the legal limit was .10 i was taken to the hospital, a nurse told me i could refuse the blood alcohol test, that is was my right, so i signed that i was refusing the test. The officer went ballistic on me for about 5 m inuets then told me i penndot would suspend my license for 1 year, i said what happens if i fail the blood test, he said you lose your license for a year. So i thought, well i'll just forfeit my license to penndot, at least i wont get charged with DUI on my record or fined and the suspension is the same......WRONG !!!

I still got charged with DUI because refusal of blood test is automatic admission to guilt under the implied consent law, so i got charged, fined out the wazoo, had to do community service, w/e in jail, safe driving clases, substance abuse counseling, and 2 years suspension - 1 for DUI and 1 for refusing the test. And a breathalizer for 1 year on my car after that i paid 1,000$$ to have installed, and what a pain that thing was, it went off every 10 minuets and if you missed the signal cause the radio was on your car shuts off and you have 10 days to get the thing serviced and recalibrated or your car locks up and you need a tow. And how many times did that thing fail me in the morning for residual alcohol on my breath from the night before, it was so sensitive even chewing gum will set it off. all in all it cost me close to 10,000$$ in fines, lawyer fees (i had to go to court twice since charged twice for same offense), payment for classes, insurance cost increases.

Then it showed that i had 2 seperate suspensions on my record and it looked like i had 2 DUI's in the same year and i almost lost my ability to remain a licensed health professional which would have ended my carreer.


That's the way it is here in NM as well. If you refuse a test, you automatically receive a year's revocation and could face an additional year of revocation if you are found guilty of DUI. Here, if you are suspected of driving under the influence, you are driven to a field unit where you are tested. If you refuse to be tested, the court bases it's judgement on the only evidence it has, which is typically the statement of the arresting officer and jailors. If you are arrested, and refuse, in this state, you spend a minimum of 48 hours in jail as it is assumed it is aggrivated based on lack of test results. Typcially, in an instance such as this, it will cost you 2500 dollars in fees and fines. You will be forced to install and interlock system for a period of no less then 1 year. You car will be towed and in some cases, auctioned if you do not have the means to pay fees. If it is an aggrivated DWI, you lose the car period. In this state, legal limit is .08 if you are 18 or older. .02 if you are under the age of 18. In this state, you can beat a DWI charge but it doesn't mean you can avoid losing your license. The MVD is responsible for revocation of your license. There is a hearing process but the window for that is 10 days and you must file for a hearing within that specified time frame or you lose all rights for review. You will also be foreced to attend DWI school which carries probation based on recommendations of your instructors. You can not miss classes or you fail the course and automatically revert to the more sever penalties allowable. What that is, I don't know. While on probation, you can not have any legal offenses or the DWI charges are brought back up and catagorized as Aggrivated, which carries jail time and lose of vehical in some instances. They do not play around here. NM has some of the stiffest DWI laws in the country.
 

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Verdict;1543858 said:
I am not able to speak on "other states", but I think you might be mixing apples with oranges. In most jurisdictions, a criminal prosecution for DUI is considered separate and distint from your drivers license revocation, though the two are intertwined.

I would have a hard time believing that any law could withstand constitutional scrutiny if it imposed a greater punishment as a result of the accused availing himself of his right against self incrimination.

Most states have an "implied consent" law -- this deals specifically with the suspension of your license -- it bypasses the legal system entirely and enacts an administrative suspension of your license. In California there are a number of refusal enhancement policies that are more severe as well -- this hits the legal end.
 
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