Texas A&M new uniform

[jterrell]

The thing about the SEC is that pretty much all of the teams are tough, even the bad teams.

Last year Vanderbilt and Ole Miss took Arkansas down the wire for close games.

Keep in mind A&M only lost by 3 last season to Arkansas as well.

You never know how things will work out.

TAMU also lost a 1st round QB and goes in with a guy who hasn't taken a collegiate snap into the SEC.

They have Coaches who largely haven't coached in the SEC and will be the new guy on the block.

They placed 1 player on the SEC pre-season 1st or 2nd all defensive teams.

I just expert it to be a really tough transition to the SEC West. LSU and ARK are going to really step it up in those games and try to win Texas recruits.

MISS ST has a 1st round CB and returner named Johnathan Banks. I believe he is the best player on either team.

For the Ags it will come down to QB play and I am very unsold there.

 

[jterrell]

the bad teams in the SEC suck just like the bad teams in every conference.

The worst SEC teams will be worse than the worst Big 12 teams for sure this year and were last year.

Big 12 had the best bottom tier in college football.

 

[Muhast]

The worst SEC teams will be worse than the worst Big 12 teams for sure this year and were last year.

Big 12 had the best bottom tier in college football.

I'd say Kansas and Ole Miss were equally awful.

 

[Muhast]

the bad teams in the SEC suck just like the bad teams in every conference.

I didn't say they were any better than any other conference. I simply said they were still tough teams to beat. As evidence to a 2-10 Ole Miss team taking Arkansas who was a top 5 team down to the wire.

 

[jterrell]

I'd say Kansas and Ole Miss were equally awful.

Kansas was terrible last year. But that was 1 team.
The 2nd and 3rd worst teams int he Big 12 were Tech who beat OU and Iowa State who beat OKST.
Ole Miss, Vandy, Tennessee, Kentucky would have all been at best the 2nd/3rd worst Big 12 team last year.

They had a glut of bad teams at the bottom. The Big 12 did not.
The Big 12 sent the SEC the 5th and 7th place finishers.

They took back to top 25 teams that won(or tied) conferences and have won recent BCS games.

 

[Muhast]

Kansas was terrible last year. But that was 1 team.
The 2nd and 3rd worst teams int he Big 12 were Tech who beat OU and Iowa State who beat OKST.
Ole Miss, Vandy, Tennessee, Kentucky would have all been at best the 2nd/3rd worst Big 12 team last year.

They had a glut of bad teams at the bottom. The Big 12 did not.
The Big 12 sent the SEC the 5th and 7th place finishers.

They took back to top 25 teams that won(or tied) conferences and have won recent BCS games.

The SEC had 5 teams with a losing record with 12 teams. The Big 12 had 4 with 10 teams. I mean record wise both conferences were pretty similar, besides the obvious BCS title difference.

I honestly don't understand why we are debating this. I never said anything about the SEC being better or worse then the other conferences lol.

 

[Cythim]

lol the only thing I ever liked about a&m was the stripes on the shoulders back in the day. I thought they got rid of them so the numbers could be on the shoulder for TV purposes.

On the shoulder isn't bad but I don't like it continuing on the sleeve of the undershirt. The stripes were gone by the time I was born, I think they were only worn through the '70s. The uniforms could be worse... much worse... so I am happy with what we got.

 

[jterrell]

The SEC had 5 teams with a losing record with 12 teams. The Big 12 had 4 with 10 teams. I mean record wise both conferences were pretty similar, besides the obvious BCS title difference.

I honestly don't understand why we are debating this. I never said anything about the SEC being better or worse then the other conferences lol.

Ultimately the SEC was better at the very top to be sure but was also worse at the bottom; thus the debate.

I debate it because it is a common perception that the SEC is the best football conf in every way. But Ole Miss being abysmal and Kentucky, Vandy, Tenn, MissSt being fairly bad gets ignored. Big 12 had the best bowl record last year and probably was the best overall conference but hard to ignore bama/lsu in title game even if OSU was 3rd best team in the country.

 

[Muhast]

Ultimately the SEC was better at the very top to be sure but was also worse at the bottom; thus the debate.

I debate it because it is a common perception that the SEC is the best football conf in every way. But Ole Miss being abysmal and Kentucky, Vandy, Tenn, MissSt being fairly bad gets ignored. Big 12 had the best bowl record last year and probably was the best overall conference but hard to ignore bama/lsu in title game even if OSU was 3rd best team in the country.

I don't think they are the best in every way. But as long as they dominate the BCS championships it's hard to argue any other conference being more dominant. They finish the year with 4-6 teams in the top 25 every year, similar to the Big 12, but they also sit on top of the ranking year after year. So it's easy to understand that people may go a bit far with the SEC love, but it's understandable.

 

[jterrell]

I don't think they are the best in every way. But as long as they dominate the BCS championships it's hard to argue any other conference being more dominant. They finish the year with 4-6 teams in the top 25 every year, similar to the Big 12, but they also sit on top of the ranking year after year. So it's easy to understand that people may go a bit far with the SEC love, but it's understandable.

No argument here. I consider them the best conference myself.
Just try to avoid taking it by rote.
On per season basis I think the Big 12 had them last year and may well have them for a couple until Big 12 expands. 14 team SEC has some soft spots that 10 team Big 12 doesn't IMHO. (Especially if Weis brings Kansas along and Baylor stays solid under the coach Tech groomed... yes i am bitter)

i would have loved to see bama versus okst last year. best offense versus a dominant sec defense.

 

[Cythim]

No argument here. I consider them the best conference myself.
Just try to avoid taking it by rote.
On per season basis I think the Big 12 had them last year and may well have them for a couple until Big 12 expands. 14 team SEC has some soft spots that 10 team Big 12 doesn't IMHO. (Especially if Weis brings Kansas along and Baylor stays solid under the coach Tech groomed... yes i am bitter)

i would have loved to see bama versus okst last year. best offense versus a dominant sec defense.

The SEC #4 beat the Big 12 #2 plus they sent two teams to the NC game. The Big 12 was not a better conference last year.

And don't mistake me for turning into an SEC homer, I hate the conference, I hate the move, and I will be hoping that OU and UT can get the Big 12 back to where it used to be.

Tech and Kansas were every bit as bad as Tennessee, Kentucky, and Ole Miss. The SEC played a much tougher bowl schedule (Michigan State, Nebraska, and Virginia compared to Iowa, Cal, and Washington).

 

[jterrell]

The SEC #4 beat the Big 12 #2 plus they sent two teams to the NC game. The Big 12 was not a better conference last year.

And don't mistake me for turning into an SEC homer, I hate the conference, I hate the move, and I will be hoping that OU and UT can get the Big 12 back to where it used to be.

Tech and Kansas were every bit as bad as Tennessee, Kentucky, and Ole Miss. The SEC played a much tougher bowl schedule (Michigan State, Nebraska, and Virginia compared to Iowa, Cal, and Washington).

the big 12 had the most impressive bowl win over another conference when okst beat stanford.

in the one head to head match up ark beat kansas st in what amounts to an arkansas home game--- they love coming to dallas.

the sec had that a lot. tons of bowl match ups in their own backyards. but they had games versus softer teams more often than not. so yea home edge team versus lower ranked team and they fared decently. florida beat a down ohio state ... in florida. auburn wins in atlanta.

the other sec bowl wins were fairly blah. end of the day they went 6-3 so half of their 12 teams got bowl wins. in the big 12 6 of their 10 team teams won bowl games.

last year the big 12 was the better overall conf.

texas tech beat ou on the road last year. they were a better team than ole miss and the bottom rung of the SEC. they had over 4k passing yards and werent a terrible team until injuries killed them.

 

[Cythim]

the big 12 had the most impressive bowl win over another conference when okst beat stanford.

in the one head to head match up ark beat kansas st in what amounts to an arkansas home game--- they love coming to dallas.

the sec had that a lot. tons of bowl match ups in their own backyards. but they had games versus softer teams more often than not. so yea home edge team versus lower ranked team and they fared decently. florida beat a down ohio state ... in florida. auburn wins in atlanta.

the other sec bowl wins were fairly blah. end of the day they went 6-3 so half of their 12 teams got bowl wins. in the big 12 6 of their 10 team teams won bowl games.

last year the big 12 was the better overall conf.

texas tech beat ou on the road last year. they were a better team than ole miss and the bottom rung of the SEC. they had over 4k passing yards and werent a terrible team until injuries killed them.

Having the national champion and runner-up trumps Ok. St's impressive win against Stanford. That win was the only one against a top 25 opponent for the Big 12.

Winning the Cotton Bowl in Dallas is no home game, solid win versus the 2nd best team in the Big 12.

South Carolina beat a ranked Nebraska team, another solid win.

Both conferences lost two games to opposing conferences, one each to a ranked opponent and another to a Big East team.

If you need to mention Tech's win to try and qualify the Big 12 as the best then you have already lost. The SEC finished with 4 teams in the top 10 compared to the Big 12's 1. That is all you really need to know when deciding which conference is better.

 

[jterrell]

Having the national champion and runner-up trumps Ok. St's impressive win against Stanford. That win was the only one against a top 25 opponent for the Big 12.

Winning the Cotton Bowl in Dallas is no home game, solid win versus the 2nd best team in the Big 12.

South Carolina beat a ranked Nebraska team, another solid win.

Both conferences lost two games to opposing conferences, one each to a ranked opponent and another to a Big East team.

If you need to mention Tech's win to try and qualify the Big 12 as the best then you have already lost. The SEC finished with 4 teams in the top 10 compared to the Big 12's 1. That is all you really need to know when deciding which conference is better.

Arkansas playing in Dallas is absolutely a home game. If you dont realize this you are clueless. My mother is from little rock. This is where people in ARK move.

Top 10 schools? Now you are arguing with yourself. ARK finished ranked 5th in the country. That is your supposed 4th SEC team that beat a Big 12 club.

No one is arguing the top of the SEC wasnt the best anywhere. It clearly is.
But once you got past that elite group the other teams were just ok football. The SEC East had very basic teams. And the bottom of the SEC was just bad.

You are trying to compare an Ole Miss team that won 2 games and lost to La Tech by 20 to a Texas Tech team that beat OU in Norman. That's absurd.

The Big 12 had 7 teams in the final top 30. 7 out of 10 teams.
That's true depth. The SEC? Had 6 out of 12 teams in top 30.

 

[trickblue]

Having the national champion and runner-up trumps Ok. St's impressive win against Stanford. That win was the only one against a top 25 opponent for the Big 12.

Winning the Cotton Bowl in Dallas is no home game, solid win versus the 2nd best team in the Big 12.

South Carolina beat a ranked Nebraska team, another solid win.

Both conferences lost two games to opposing conferences, one each to a ranked opponent and another to a Big East team.

If you need to mention Tech's win to try and qualify the Big 12 as the best then you have already lost. The SEC finished with 4 teams in the top 10 compared to the Big 12's 1. That is all you really need to know when deciding which conference is better.

Not taking sides here... you guys are having a pretty good debate, but I did want to clarify a couple of things...

Nebraska is a Big 10 school... not Big 12...

And there is a HUGE contingent of Razorback fans in Dallas... I lived there and I am also a fan, not my favorite team but I like them a lot...

Less fans than Texas and A&M, but more than SMU or TCU... and probably equal to OU...

 

[Cythim]

Arkansas playing in Dallas is absolutely a home game. If you dont realize this you are clueless. My mother is from little rock. This is where people in ARK move.

Top 10 schools? Now you are arguing with yourself. ARK finished ranked 5th in the country. That is your supposed 4th SEC team that beat a Big 12 club.

No one is arguing the top of the SEC wasnt the best anywhere. It clearly is.
But once you got past that elite group the other teams were just ok football. The SEC East had very basic teams. And the bottom of the SEC was just bad.

You are trying to compare an Ole Miss team that won 2 games and lost to La Tech by 20 to a Texas Tech team that beat OU in Norman. That's absurd.

The Big 12 had 7 teams in the final top 30. 7 out of 10 teams.
That's true depth. The SEC? Had 6 out of 12 teams in top 30.

Congrats, it was a neutral site game with a neutral site crowd. If you think it wasn't you must not have watched. The crowd was a non-factor as it usually is in Cowboys Stadium, Arkansas was clearly the better team.

Arkansas was 4th based on conference standings, Georgia played a weak schedule and finished 3rd. Most conference have "just ok football" teams in the middle of the conference.

I am not comparing Ole Miss to Tech, I am comparing Ole Miss, Kentucky, and Tennessee to Tech and Kansas. Both groups are about the same, ask anyone and they will tell you Tech beating OU in Norman was a fluke. OU is becoming infamous for losing games like that.

What the Big 12 has is not depth, it is a muddled group of mid-tier schools. The SEC has 5 schools with 2 or fewer conference losses and all of those losses came against each other. That means the next tier of schools already has 4 losses on average to those five teams. It is fun that you have changed your argument from the Big 12 being the best to the Big 12 being the deepest. Keep on back-peddling

 

[jterrell]

Congrats, it was a neutral site game with a neutral site crowd. If you think it wasn't you must not have watched. The crowd was a non-factor as it usually is in Cowboys Stadium, Arkansas was clearly the better team.

Arkansas was 4th based on conference standings, Georgia played a weak schedule and finished 3rd. Most conference have "just ok football" teams in the middle of the conference.

I am not comparing Ole Miss to Tech, I am comparing Ole Miss, Kentucky, and Tennessee to Tech and Kansas. Both groups are about the same, ask anyone and they will tell you Tech beating OU in Norman was a fluke. OU is becoming infamous for losing games like that.

What the Big 12 has is not depth, it is a muddled group of mid-tier schools. The SEC has 5 schools with 2 or fewer conference losses and all of those losses came against each other. That means the next tier of schools already has 4 losses on average to those five teams. It is fun that you have changed your argument from the Big 12 being the best to the Big 12 being the deepest. Keep on back-peddling

You are posting gibberish now.

The Big 12 was the best conference BECAUSE it was the deepest.
The SEC schools do not all play each other.
Take a peak at the soft Bama schedule last year. Kent State, North Texas, Georgia Southern and avoided the most of the top SEC East schools.
LSU should have NEVER had to play a rematch versus them.

Kansas was terrible last year. That was 1 Big 12 school. They ranked with the crappy SEC bottom feeders. Ole Miss losing by 20 to La Tech had zero to do with playing great SEC schools and everything to do with sucking regardless of which conference they were in.

I watched Tech's games and they were a quite solid team all the way into the middle of the season. They had a 4k yard passing QB and talented running back. They lost the RB in the TAMU game and their top RB and their best DL had a collapsed lung. So they fell apart. But only for a couple games while crippled with injuries were they terrible. Against the two schools that moved to the SEC they lost to TAMU by 5 and Missou by 4.

Comparing TAMU(7), Iowa State(8) and Tech(9) to the SEC bottom feeders shows a complete lack of college football knowledge in 2011.

Kentucky's best 2011 win? 10-7 over Tennessee. 2nd best? Ole Miss.
Tennessee's best win? Cincy. They scored 23 points combined versus ARK, LSU, BAMA, USC.
Ole Miss best win.. you choose.. they had 2 all year: Southern Illinois and Fresno State. They lost to rival MissST by 4 touchdowns.

And the SEC has two divisions. ARK wasn't 4th. They were 3rd in the SEC West. Georgia was never considered the 3rd best team. They beat 2 ranked teams all season and no one in the top 20. Bowls take what's convenient and sales tickets.

Before you prattle on spend a little time looking at the schedules and results in 2011. Or you can simply listen to the SEC media days where guys like Spurrier note the scheduling isn't exactly even.

 

[jterrell]

Congrats, it was a neutral site game with a neutral site crowd. If you think it wasn't you must not have watched. The crowd was a non-factor as it usually is in Cowboys Stadium, Arkansas was clearly the better team.

Arkansas was 4th based on conference standings, Georgia played a weak schedule and finished 3rd. Most conference have "just ok football" teams in the middle of the conference.

I am not comparing Ole Miss to Tech, I am comparing Ole Miss, Kentucky, and Tennessee to Tech and Kansas. Both groups are about the same, ask anyone and they will tell you Tech beating OU in Norman was a fluke. OU is becoming infamous for losing games like that.

What the Big 12 has is not depth, it is a muddled group of mid-tier schools. The SEC has 5 schools with 2 or fewer conference losses and all of those losses came against each other. That means the next tier of schools already has 4 losses on average to those five teams. It is fun that you have changed your argument from the Big 12 being the best to the Big 12 being the deepest. Keep on back-peddling

And again calling that game a neutral site. neutral crowd shows complete ignorance. Kansas State was snubbed by the Sugar Bowl for perceived lack of traveling fan base.
ARK travels well anywhere but ESPECIALLY WELL to Dallas.
There is no rebuttal to this point.
Dallas is called Fayetteville West. It is a 5 hour drive and one ARK residents make for shopping, vacations and plenty of other reasons. Little Rock is a 4 hour drive on I-30.

Manhattan Kansas is 500 miles from Dallas and a full 8 hour drive if you can drive that long without stopping.

 

[jterrell]

Final avg computer ranking (last season) of newly configured leagues: Big12 30.4, SEC 33.5, B1G 48, P12 50.5, BE 56 & ACC 59.1

 

[jterrell]

Mizzou WR TJ Moe says, outside of a couple of elite teams, the rest of the SEC is just average: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...average?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter