Texas Rangers win Yu Darvish sweepstakes

[casmith07]

Darvish doesn't have to be an ace, or even third or fourth in the rotation.

Rangers are going to be a force in the AL for a while.

 

[cowboyeric8]

Darvish doesn't have to be an ace, or even third or fourth in the rotation.

Rangers are going to be a force in the AL for a while.

Oh how I hope you are right.

 

[yimyammer]

Well, the Rangers do. Not the player. I believe he makes about $12M a year in Japan. $6M salary and $6M endorsements. So, the Rangers will have to at least match that I'm sure. Expect about 5 year $60M or 6 year %75M. I'm leaning towards a 5 year deal. The Rangers don't like long term contracts for pitchers.

So effectively with the 51.7 million dollar bid fee, they will be paying 111.7 million for a 5 year deal or 126.7 million for a 6 year, that doesn't sound right. $20 million+ per year??

 

[YosemiteSam]

Darvish, Lewis and Holland are locks, and at least one of either Feliz or Ogandu is a lock, which leaves a possible 3 man competition for the 5th spot. My bet would be on Feliz and Harrison filling the final 2 spots with Feldman and Ogando going to the bullpen.

I've watched Feliz pitch. I just don't think he is ready. Hell, I don't think he has enough (right now) to go to any starting lineup. Feliz only believes in his fastball and at that, it only really has heat to power it up. Feliz in the rotation is set for failure if you ask me. He isn't ready. Hell, I don't think his pitches are ready. His fastball is good. His slider is nice. He doesn't have anything after that, but the worst of it is, he only believes in his fastball which means if he isn't money, he is toast. (ie, he won't throw his slider, much less anything else)

A fastball only pitcher (I don't care how hard you throw) is only throwing ducks.

IMO, Feliz isn't even ready to be a closer. He excelled in his first year because nobody had ever seen him. His second year? The slide began. As far as I can tell, the slide isn't done yet. He hasn't shown a lick of confidence in anything other than his fastball which was what caused all his trouble last season.

 

[Stautner]

Darvish doesn't have to be an ace, or even third or fourth in the rotation.

Rangers are going to be a force in the AL for a while.

He has to be better than 3rd or 4th in the rotation to be worth the money. If Darvis is no better than a bottom of the rotation guy we would have been better saving our money because Feldman, Harrison, Ogando and Feliz can all fill out that role.

While I certainly agree the Rangers will be competative even if Darvish isn't an ace, with the addition of Pujols and Wilson the Angles should be very tough to beat. The Angels rotation is very good, and they have an ace, and they have a lot of up and coming players to go with their veteran position players, so their future looks pretty bright as well.

I've watched Feliz pitch. I just don't think he is ready. Hell, I don't think he has enough (right now) to go to any starting lineup. Feliz only believes in his fastball and at that, it only really has heat to power it up. Feliz in the rotation is set for failure if you ask me. He isn't ready. Hell, I don't think his pitches are ready. His fastball is good. His slider is nice. He doesn't have anything after that, but the worst of it is, he only believes in his fastball which means if he isn't money, he is toast. (ie, he won't throw his slider, much less anything else)

A fastball only pitcher (I don't care how hard you throw) is only throwing ducks.

IMO, Feliz isn't even ready to be a closer. He excelled in his first year because nobody had ever seen him. His second year? The slide began. As far as I can tell, the slide isn't done yet. He hasn't shown a lick of confidence in anything other than his fastball which was what caused all his trouble last season.

I don't know if Feliz is ready to do it either, but I think the Rangers will give him every chance to show he is. Obviously he will have to use more than his fastball, and the positive thing is that when interviewed immediately after the Nathan signing Feliz said exactly that, so he knows that as a starter he is going to have to widen his spectrum of effective pitches. I think he has the ability, but given the now or never nature of being a closer he was focused on making sure he didn't get beat by giving anything less than his best pitch.

 

[RastaRocket]

Geez, that's a lot of scratch! I guess that gets taken into consideration with how much they pay him, meaning surely they won't pay him as high as an American free agent and then pay that fee on top?

It's estimated he will cost around $100 mil total including the bid fee.

 

[Phoenix]

@faridyu: フライデーさんに突撃取材されました。 なんかやらかしたかと思ったけど良心的でした(^^) イメージ変わった♪”


Yu tweeted that, whatever that means

 

[yimyammer]

It's estimated he will cost around $100 mil total including the bid fee.

So if its a 5 year deal, he's going to cost the Rangers an average of $20 million per year, here's a list of last years top ten paid pitchers:

2011 MLB Pitcher Salaries
RANK PLAYER TEAM SALARY
1 CC Sabathia New York Yankees $ 24,285,714
2 Johan Santana New York Mets $ 21,644,707
3 Roy Halladay Philadelphia Phillies $ 20,000,000
4 Carlos Zambrano Chicago Cubs $ 18,875,000
5 Barry Zito San Francisco Giants $ 18,500,000
6 Josh Beckett Boston Red Sox $ 17,000,000
7 A.J. Burnett New York Yankees $ 16,500,000
8 Roy Oswalt Philadelphia Phillies $ 16,000,000
8 Jake Peavy Chicago White Sox $ 16,000,000
10 John Lackey Boston Red Sox $ 15,950,000


Is he really that good to be tied for the 3rd highest paid pitcher in the league having never thrown a pitch in the major league? Seems like a big risk to me if they pay that much.

I can't help but feel his salary will be discounted to take into consideration the cost of the $51.7 bid fee which would average $10,340,000 per year on a 5 year deal. If the total deal costs $20,000,000 per year, then his contract would be around $10,000,000/year. That seems too high to me, so you would think they would pay less, like $6-7 Million, even that puts him in the top ten of salaries.

He doesn't receive any of the bid fee does he?

I'm no baseball expert but is he really worth this much money? Seems like I recall Japanese pitchers not living up to the hype when they play in the MLB

 

[YosemiteSam]

Actually, it's said that he will cost $110-$125M total over 5 years. So it's more than $20M.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I'm no baseball expert but is he really worth this much money? Seems like I recall Japanese pitchers not living up to the hype when they play in the MLB

Darvish's breaking balls are more nasty than Matsuzaka's. (and he has more pitches he can throw to boot) He also has a far superior pitcher's body type. Matsuzaka is 6'0 185lbs. Darvish is 6'5 215lbs.

Either way it's a lot of money and a huge risk. Though on paper and body type, Darvish appears to be the best one to come over so far.

 

[yimyammer]

Darvish's breaking balls are more nasty than Matsuzaka's. (and he has more pitches he can throw to boot) He also has a far superior pitcher's body type. Matsuzaka is 6'0 185lbs. Darvish is 6'5 215lbs.

Either way it's a lot of money and a huge risk. Though on paper and body type, Darvish appears to be the best one to come over so far.

Well, the front office has been doing a hell of a job lately, hope they're right.

I looked at that site I linked and it showed Cliff Lee making $11,000,000 so this guy must be a hell of a picture at twice the price

 

[YosemiteSam]

Well, the front office has been doing a hell of a job lately, hope they're right.

I looked at that site I linked and it showed Cliff Lee making $11,000,000 so this guy must be a hell of a picture at twice the price

Lee's contract is 5 years $120M guaranteed. Which if averaged out over the course of the contract, it comes out to $24M a year. Though it's back-loaded quite a bit though. So he is making less than $24M this year.

 

[yimyammer]

Lee's contract is 5 years $120M guaranteed. Which if averaged out over the course of the contract, it comes out to $24M a year. Though it's back-loaded quite a bit though. So he is making less than $24M this year.

Arg, fuzzy numbers........that makes more sense since he's a pitcher and not a picture

:bang2: :bang2:

 

[DasTex]

So if its a 5 year deal, he's going to cost the Rangers an average of $20 million per year, here's a list of last years top ten paid pitchers:

2011 MLB Pitcher Salaries
RANK PLAYER TEAM SALARY
1 CC Sabathia New York Yankees $ 24,285,714
2 Johan Santana New York Mets $ 21,644,707
3 Roy Halladay Philadelphia Phillies $ 20,000,000
4 Carlos Zambrano Chicago Cubs $ 18,875,000
5 Barry Zito San Francisco Giants $ 18,500,000
6 Josh Beckett Boston Red Sox $ 17,000,000
7 A.J. Burnett New York Yankees $ 16,500,000
8 Roy Oswalt Philadelphia Phillies $ 16,000,000
8 Jake Peavy Chicago White Sox $ 16,000,000
10 John Lackey Boston Red Sox $ 15,950,000


Is he really that good to be tied for the 3rd highest paid pitcher in the league having never thrown a pitch in the major league? Seems like a big risk to me if they pay that much.

I can't help but feel his salary will be discounted to take into consideration the cost of the $51.7 bid fee which would average $10,340,000 per year on a 5 year deal. If the total deal costs $20,000,000 per year, then his contract would be around $10,000,000/year. That seems too high to me, so you would think they would pay less, like $6-7 Million, even that puts him in the top ten of salaries.

He doesn't receive any of the bid fee does he?

I'm no baseball expert but is he really worth this much money? Seems like I recall Japanese pitchers not living up to the hype when they play in the MLB

The posting fee is basically an investment, does not count towards the salary structure of the Rangers. So saying he's getting paid $20 million a year isn't exactly correct.

The $51 million investment will be made up fairly quickly in regards to international merch. sales and even tickets sales here in the states.

This guy is the Ichiro of pitchers in Japan. He has a HUGE status and the Rangers will become one of Japan's favorite team overnight.

 

[juck]

Yu Darvish is incredible. From everything I have seen he is a potential top elite pitcher in USA as well. His movement is ridiculous. I am hearing that Rangers are hot on getting Prince fielder as well. Wow. I will say for choking in 2 straight WS playoffs,Nolan Ryan keeps his team a top flight team.Jon Daniels is a ninja.

 

[yimyammer]

The posting fee is basically an investment, does not count towards the salary structure of the Rangers. So saying he's getting paid $20 million a year isn't exactly correct.

The $51 million investment will be made up fairly quickly in regards to international merch. sales and even tickets sales here in the states.

This guy is the Ichiro of pitchers in Japan. He has a HUGE status and the Rangers will become one of Japan's favorite team overnight.

I think you're getting at what my gut feeling is on this.

Is the $51 million just a guarantee to the Japanese team they're getting him from and paid out of future international merchant sales?

or

Is it paid up front and the Rangers expect to obtain revenue from a different and additional stream than they would have if they signed an American player?

The Rangers organization has been run so prudently recently, I can't see them taking such a risk and making such a huge salary commitment on one player unless there were compensating factors beyond the potential talent of this player.

 

[yimyammer]

Yu Darvish is incredible. From everything I have seen he is a potential top elite pitcher in USA as well. His movement is ridiculous. I am hearing that Rangers are hot on getting Prince fielder as well. Wow. I will say for choking in 2 straight WS playoffs,Nolan Ryan keeps his team a top flight team.Jon Daniels is a ninja.

maybe third times a charm this season?

(I still have nightmares of seeing that ball bounce off the wall in the bottom of the ninth of game 6 uke

 

[Stautner]

Imagine all those Darvish Jerseys being sold in Japan. Who knows, baseball may become popular in Iran (he's 1/2 Iranian). Imagine deals to broadcast Ranger games in Japanese.

There will be some return on the initial 51.7 million investment.

 

[DasTex]

I think you're getting at what my gut feeling is on this.

Is the $51 million just a guarantee to the Japanese team they're getting him from and paid out of future international merchant sales?

or

Is it paid up front and the Rangers expect to obtain revenue from a different and additional stream than they would have if they signed an American player?

The Rangers organization has been run so prudently recently, I can't see them taking such a risk and making such a huge salary commitment on one player unless there were compensating factors beyond the potential talent of this player.

I'm pretty sure it's paid up front, but I've heard conflicting reports that the Sox were able to pay Dice K's over a 4 year period. Either way, it's not part of his salary. Basically just an expense paid out by the two billionaire owners to dip their feet in the Japanese TV and Merch market. Plus, get a front line starter as well.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I wish some info would come out. It sucks just waiting in the dark like this.