Thanks Ken!

[Hoofbite]

You're exactly right. I have absolutely no interest in ignoring the games that surround his absence when trying to determine if his absence had an impact on the defense. How silly of me.

You realize this doesn't even make sense in the context of what I said, right? think I seriously misjudged you at some point.

Sure it did.

You said you "felt much more comfortable" with Ken Hamlin being back. Your sense of security in regards to defending the pass were tied to Ken Hamlin and clearly facilitated your being the only person capable of seeing how truly great he was.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

You know, that was actually my point when I said it was irrelevant earlier in the thread. Not sure why I even wasted the time to try and discuss the topic.

Exactly. There's really no point going back and forth about this. He's gone. Let's move on.

It's overkill at this point

 

[theogt]

Back-to-back shutouts just don't happen because a 4 tackle per week safety.

Here's what you and others don't get. I never said that. You put words into my mouth. Every word I say has a meaning. It has a point. I use words carefully. I never said he was the reason for the shutouts. I never said he was the reason for the lower performance during his absence. I said that the difference was evidence of his impact. And you can ignore that evidence if you like. I don't really care. My point was that there is a statistical difference even when you consider the games before and after his play. And I've shown that in this thread. I'm not saying it's conclusive that Hamlin was the biggest impact on the defense. I can't make that claim and I never will because I don't have all the evidence. You don't either.

Please, actually read the words that I type closely. I say what I mean and I mean what I say.

 

[theogt]

Sure it did.

You said you "felt much more comfortable" with Ken Hamlin being back. Your sense of security in regards to defending the pass were tied to Ken Hamlin and clearly facilitated your being the only person capable of seeing how truly great he was.

I felt more comfortable because the team has been more capable of defending the deep pass with Hamlin than without him. It had nothing to do with "emotions." Your statement is completely irrelevant and non-sensical.

Really, it's become obvious that you're just being intentionally dense now.

 

[Sarge]

:mouse:

 

[Hoofbite]

Here's what you and others don't get. I never said that. You put words into my mouth. Every word I say has a meaning. It has a point. I use words carefully. I never said he was the reason for the shutouts. I never said he was the reason for the lower performance during his absence. I said that the difference was evidence of his impact. And you can ignore that evidence if you like. I don't really care. My point was that there is a statistical difference even when you consider the games before and after his play. And I've shown that in this thread. I'm not saying it's conclusive that Hamlin was the biggest impact on the defense. I can't make that claim and I never will because I don't have all the evidence. You don't either.

Please, actually read the words that I type closely. I say what I mean and I mean what I say.

Oh, please. Here we go.

Now your going to take the angle that you didn't have a horse in the race but were just arguing that some statistical difference EXISTED.

You never cared or positioned yourself to explain why, you just wanted it to be known that there were a couple differences in the numbers.

I guess that would explain why you've spent the last dozen posts forming some sort of argument to my stance that Hamlin WASN'T important.

And what does this even mean?

I never said he was the reason for the lower performance during his absence. I said that the difference was evidence of his impact.

If you are attributing the difference (or suggesting evidence of, however you wanna loosely word it) to Hamlin's impact, how the hell are you not saying that any drop off is a result of his not being there?

And no, I never made any claim to you taking the position of the shutouts being because of Hamlin. I was simply trying to convey the message that those games are OUTLIERS because the overall defensive performance was SO MUCH greater than at any other time during the rest of the season.

 

[Hoofbite]

Exactly. There's really no point going back and forth about this. He's gone. Let's move on.

It's overkill at this point

You speaking of overkill?

 

[theogt]

Oh, please. Here we go.

Now your going to take the angle that you didn't have a horse in the race but were just arguing that some statistical difference EXISTED.

Actually, that's exactly what I was doing. Go back to my first reply to your post about the difference.

If you are attributing the difference to Hamlin's impact, how the hell are you not saying that any drop off is a result of his not being there?

I am not attributing the difference to Hamlin's impact. I am simply saying it is evidence of his impact.

And no, I never made any claim to you taking the position of the shutouts being because of Hamlin. I was simply trying to convey the message that those games are OUTLIERS because the overall defensive performance was SO MUCH greater than at any other time during the rest of the season.

I believe you were implying a couple times that it was my position. Perhaps not.

 

[theogt]

Exactly. There's really no point going back and forth about this. He's gone. Let's move on.

It's overkill at this point

Agreed. And to be clear, I'm not bothered by him being cut. I'm confident the team can find a reasonable alternative. I don't think I would have cut him (or Flo) if I were in charge of the team, but then I don't have all of the information that the team has in makings its decision either.

 

[JBell]

What is theOWNED doing in this thread.

Your not welcome here.

Argue all you want. Miss Hamlin is not coming back to your Cowboys.

 

[JonCJG]

You speaking of overkill?

Overkills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG6EJL-UdYEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG6EJL-UdYE

 

[Apollo Creed]

I almost want to initiate the process of hijacking this thread.

 

[2much2soon]

I have a good buddy that lives in the Seattle area. He wasn't sad to see Hamlin go when the Seahawks cut him loose.

His take on Hamlin getting his face caved in, in downtown Seattle, was that he was probably running his mouth at the wrong people and had it coming.

Based on that, I was never really thrilled to see him come to Dallas. I always had him pegged a pay check collector type.

 

[casmith07]

Based on that, I was never really thrilled to see him come to Dallas. I always had him pegged a pay check collector type.

Your feelings would be hurt, then, to find out that 100% of the guys in the NFL are paycheck collector types. They aren't out there playing for free.

 

[2much2soon]

Your feelings would be hurt, then, to find out that 100% of the guys in the NFL are paycheck collector types. They aren't out there playing for free.

No kidding? Those guys all get paid? Real money? I wasn't aware of that.

My apologies for not being more clear on what my implication of being "a pay check collector type" means.

Maybe you could try asking someone like Darren Woodson.

Hint: It is the opposite of playing your tail off every season instead of only when you are trying to get a big contract.

 

[Four]

 

[Monster Heel]

Thanks for closing Texas Stadium out in style.