The 2 most important reasons why Romo should not be traded

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What big time high priced free agent do you want to sign? Not that I'm disagreeing with your post.

I wouldn't sign any big-FA's. I would use the money to re-up Martin and find some pieces to help fit in with the team. No Josh Norman-like acquisitions, we played that game far too long.
 

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Sorry I did the math incorrectly.
I corrected it below - but feel free to check it.
By trading Romo, we reduce our chance for winning the Super Bowl from 37.5% to 25%.


These percentages are arbitrary and just make it easier to do the math
The exact numbers do not matter that much as long as you assume a Romo-equipped Broncos is just as dangerous as the Patriots.

I assume we have a 50% chance of getting to the Superbowl (actually this does not matter to the final number).
I assume Patriots have a 50% chance of winning the AFC and I gave them 50% chance of beating us.
.I assume no other team in AFC has a chance against us to keep the math simple.

If we do not trade Romo, our chances 37.5%
50% * (100%*50% + 50%*50%) = 50% * 75% = 37.5%

If we improve the Broncos by trading them Romo, then the AFC has now 2 equally dangerous teams with an equal chance of being the AFC champion.
Now with Broncos and Patriots being equally dangerous, there is an essentially 100% chance that the AFC champion is 50% likely to beat us.
So the math becomes 50% * (100% * 50%) = 25%.

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@bkight13 has already shown we have enough $, so the cap argument is not valid.

One can say we can get a 1st round pick from Denver to improve the defense.
However, keeping Romo insures either Romo or Dak is the backup which protects us from QB injury.
Do these cancel out?
May be or may be not.
But the "dont improve your enemy" argument is obvious.
The things is those percentages are completely arbitrary
 

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The things is those percentages are completely arbitrary

Absolutely, the numbers were picked to make the math easy (and I already screwed it up the first time).

However, the calculation will make a similar though more complicated path if you will agree that:
1. Romo-equipped Broncos will make them as dangerous (or more) than the Patriots
2. Romo-equipped Broncos and Patriots would have by far the best chance of winning the AFC, and the two AFC teams with by far the best chance to beat the Cowboys in the Superbowl.
 

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Absolutely, the numbers were picked to make the math easy (and I already screwed it up the first time).

However, the calculation will make a similar though more complicated path if you will agree that:
1. Romo-equipped Broncos will make them as dangerous (or more) than the Patriots
2. Romo-equipped Broncos and Patriots would have by far the best chance of winning the AFC, and the two AFC teams with by far the best chance to beat the Cowboys in the Superbowl.
You should have just said that with the made up numbers lol.

Romo wont survive a season in Denver and if they are willing to trade for him then we bleed them of assets
 

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You should have just said that with the made up numbers lol.

Romo wont survive a season in Denver and if they are willing to trade for him then we bleed them of assets

Ok, lol

I also dont think Romo will not survive an entire season.
But I am sure Denver is not stupid, and figure out how best to improve their chance to win the Superbowl.

They simply dont need Romo to get to the playoffs.
But Romo needs to play to be useful in the playoffs.
I just would not give the enemy a chance to figure out a way to beat us using Romo.

If it is obvious that Romo will only go to Denver, we may not even get a first out of a trade.
I would rather have the super backup after a competition.
 

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Ok, lol

I also dont think Romo will not survive an entire season.
But I am sure Denver is not stupid, and figure out how best to improve their chance to win the Superbowl.

They simply dont need Romo to get to the playoffs.
But Romo needs to play to be useful in the playoffs.
I just would not give the enemy a chance to figure out a way to beat us using Romo.

If it is obvious that Romo will only go to Denver, we may not even get a first out of a trade.
I would rather have the super backup after a competition.
And a backup that could cause a distraction. Make no mistake Romo is not going to be happy sitting on the bench. Neither is Prescott
 

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And a backup that could cause a distraction. Make no mistake Romo is not going to be happy sitting on the bench. Neither is Prescott

Neither wants to be a backup.
But may be both are enough to be a team player if they lose a competition.
Romo already mentioned meritocracy and "having Dak's back and Dak having my back"
Dak then said in interview that Romo is a great model for him ...
Just may be Jerry, Romo and Dak can make it work?

Just look at the difference in the people.
Montana sure did not support Young.
The Texan loser QB mess last year.
And with the Ram after Goff starting, the former QB complaining etc.
Romo showed the class and maturity to deal with it.
That is the big difference between Dak's situation and the other QBs - Dak knows that it is his team sooner or later but just has to win it in a competition in 2007
 

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Neither wants to be a backup.
But may be both are enough to be a team player if they lose a competition.
Romo already mentioned meritocracy and "having Dak's back and Dak having my back"
Dak then said in interview that Romo is a great model for him ...
Just may be Jerry, Romo and Dak can make it work?
I wouldnt bet on it and Jones will be foolish if he bets on it
 

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I wouldnt bet on it and Jones will be foolish if he bets on it

We just dont know.
Talking heads can talk either way, but I doubt they know.
We shall all see, but even events in this remaining season can totally change next season.

I would totally agree if Dak got to the Superbowl that it would be much harder to have a competition.
Especially if he won the whole thing.
 

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We just dont know.
Talking heads can talk either way, but I doubt they know.
We shall all see, but even events in this remaining season can totally change next season.

I would totally agree if Dak got to the Superbowl that it would be much harder to have a competition.
Especially if he won the whole thing.
I dont think when you have a young QB that has led you to a 8-1 record on a 4th round contract and a brittle 36 (and will be 37 by the beginning of next season) I dont think you have a competition. You move on and build around the guy you want QBing your team for the next 15 years
 

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I dont think when you have a young QB that has led you to a 8-1 record on a 4th round contract and a brittle 36 (and will be 37 by the beginning of next season) I dont think you have a competition. You move on and build around the guy you want QBing your team for the next 15 years

We have a 4-5 year window.
QB injury is a huge risk.
Improving a top 5 team by helping them with their biggest weakness is not the smart thing to win the whole thing.

If Romo wins the competition and he cannot survive the season YET AGAIN, then Romo should simply be the happy backup.
We may lose the ability to trade him, but I rather lose the pick than help complete our competitor.
 

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We just dont know.
Talking heads can talk either way, but I doubt they know.
We shall all see, but even events in this remaining season can totally change next season.

I would totally agree if Dak got to the Superbowl that it would be much harder to have a competition.
Especially if he won the whole thing.
If he takes us to the NFC Championship it would be hard because it's further than Romo ever took us.
 

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We have a 4-5 year window.
QB injury is a huge risk.
Improving a top 5 team by helping them with their biggest weakness is not the smart thing to win the whole thing.

If Romo wins the competition and he cannot survive the season YET AGAIN, then Romo should simply be the happy backup.
We may lose the ability to trade him, but I rather lose the pick than help complete our competitor.
No, if Prescott is your franchise, you dont have a 4 to 5 year window. You have a 10 to 15 year window
 

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@bkight13

It would be really helpful if you could chime in and do a year-by-year scenario to show how the cap can easily be pushed out before using the get-out-of-jail card when Romo/Witten retires.
Of course, that assumes they retire before Dak gets his 2nd contract.
 

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No, if Prescott is your franchise, you dont have a 4 to 5 year window. You have a 10 to 15 year window

Yes and no.
So we can have 2-3 windows during Dak's 10-15 years.

In 4-5 years, Dez, Witten will be gone.
Zeke may already be on the decline.
OL may need some serious replacement.

We may well have a down season or so and that would actually help a reload.

We still have Dak so the main piece is there and that is obviously critical.
That is what made the Patriotst the Patriots - %$%^B Brady.
 

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I think he's done regardless unless Dak completely falls apart. Can't really go back now.

That is why we will agree to disagree.
I would rather put Romo in the closet, lose a 1st pick from Denver than help complete their team.
Though that would be unfair to Romo.
That would also be impossible due to controversy.
That is why I think the open competition is the only solution.
 
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