The $555,000 Student-Loan Burden

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I know she is a medical doctor and all but still......

The $555,000 Student-Loan Burden
by Mary Pilon
Tuesday, February 16, 2010



When Michelle Bisutti, a 41-year-old family practitioner in Columbus, Ohio, finished medical school in 2003, her student-loan debt amounted to roughly $250,000. Since then, it has ballooned to $555,000.

Michelle Bisutti borrowed $250,000 to pay for medical school. The debt has since ballooned to $555,000.
It is the result of her deferring loan payments while she completed her residency, default charges and relentlessly compounding interest rates. Among the charges: a single $53,870 fee for when her loan was turned over to a collection agency.

"Maybe half of it was my fault because I didn't look at the fine print," Dr. Bisutti says. "But this is just outrageous now."

To be sure, Dr. Bisutti's case is extreme, and lenders say student-loan terms are clear and that they try to work with borrowers who get in trouble.

But as tuitions rise, many people are borrowing heavily to pay their bills. Some no doubt view it as "good debt," because an education can lead to a higher salary. But in practice, student loans are one of the most toxic debts, requiring extreme consumer caution and, as Dr. Bisutti learned, responsibility.

Unlike other kinds of debt, student loans can be particularly hard to wriggle out of. Homeowners who can't make their mortgage payments can hand over the keys to their house to their lender. Credit-card and even gambling debts can be discharged in bankruptcy. But ditching a student loan is virtually impossible, especially once a collection agency gets involved. Although lenders may trim payments, getting fees or principals waived seldom happens.

Yet many former students are trying. There is an estimated $730 billion in outstanding federal and private student-loan debt, says Mark Kantrowitz of FinAid.org, a Web site that tracks financial-aid issues -- and only 40% of that debt is actively being repaid. The rest is in default, or in deferment, which means that payments and interest are halted, or in "forbearance," which means payments are halted while interest accrues.

Although Dr. Bisutti's debt load is unusual, her experience having problems repaying isn't. Emmanuel Tellez's mother is a laid-off factory worker, and $120 from her $300 unemployment checks is garnished to pay the federal PLUS student loan she took out for her son.

By the time Mr. Tellez graduated in 2008, he had $50,000 of his own debt in loans issued by SLM Corp., known as Sallie Mae, the largest private student lender. In December, he was laid off from his $29,000-a-year job in Boston and defaulted. Mr. Tellez says that when he signed up, the loan wasn't explained to him well, though he concedes he missed the fine print.

Loan terms, including interest rates, are disclosed "multiple times and in multiple ways," says Martha Holler, a spokeswoman for Sallie Mae, who says the company can't comment on individual accounts. Repayment tools and account information are accessible on Sallie Mae's Web site as well, she says.

Many borrowers say they are experiencing difficulties working out repayment and modification terms on their loans. Ms. Holler says that Sallie Mae works with borrowers individually to revamp loans. Although the U.S. Department of Education has expanded programs like income-based repayment, which effectively caps repayments for some borrowers, others might not qualify.

Heather Ehmke of Oakland, Calif., renegotiated the terms of her subprime mortgage after her home was foreclosed. But even after filing for bankruptcy, she says she couldn't get Sallie Mae, one of her lenders, to adjust the terms on her student loan. After 14 years with patches of deferment and forbearance, the loan has increased from $28,000 to more than $90,000. Her monthly payments jumped from $230 to $816. Last month, her petition for undue hardship on the loans was dismissed.

Sallie Mae supports reforms that would allow student loans to be dischargeable in bankruptcy for those who have made a good-faith effort to repay them, says Ms. Holler.

Dr. Bisutti says she loves her work, but regrets taking out so many student loans. She admits that she made mistakes in missing payments, deferring her loans and not being completely thorough with some of the paperwork, but was surprised at how quickly the debt spiraled.

She says she knew when she started medical school in 1999 that she would have to borrow heavily. But she reasoned that her future income as a doctor would make paying off the loans easy. While in school, her loans racked up interest with variable rates ranging from 3% to 11%.

She maxed out on federal loans, borrowing $152,000 over four years, and sought private loans from Sallie Mae to help make up the difference. She also took out two loans from Wells Fargo & Co. for $20,000 each. Each had a $2,000 origination fee. The total amount she borrowed at the time: $250,000.

In 2005, the bill for the Wells Fargo loans came due. Representatives from the bank called her father, Michael Bisutti, every day for two months demanding payment. Mr. Bisutti, who had co-signed on the loans, finally decided to cover the $550 monthly payments for a year.

Wells Fargo says it will stop calling consumers if they request it, says senior vice president Glen Herrick, who adds that the bank no longer imposes origination fees on its private loans.

Sallie Mae, meanwhile, called Mr. Bisutti's neighbor. The neighbor told Mr. Bisutti about the call. "Now they know [my dad's] daughter the doctor defaulted on her loans," Dr. Bisutti says.

Ms. Holler, the Sallie Mae spokeswoman, says that the company may contact a neighbor to verify an individual's address. But in those cases, she says, the details of the debt obligation aren't discussed.

Dr. Bisutti declined to authorize Sallie Mae to comment specifically on her case. "The overwhelming majority of medical-school graduates successfully repay their student loans," Ms. Holler says.

After completing her fellowship in 2007, Dr. Bisutti juggled other debts, including her credit-card balance, and was having trouble making her $1,000-a-month student-loan payments. That year, she defaulted on both her federal and private loans. That is when the "collection cost" fee of $53,870 was added on to her private loan.

Meanwhile, the variable interest rates continue to compound on her balance and fees. She recently applied for income-based repayment, but she still isn't sure if she will qualify. She makes $550-a-month payments to Wells Fargo for the two loans she hasn't defaulted on. By the time she is done, she will have paid the bank $128,000 -- over three times the $36,000 she received.

She recently entered a rehabilitation agreement on her defaulted federal loans, which now carry an additional $31,942 collection cost. She makes monthly payments on those loans -- now $209,399 -- for $990 a month, with only $100 of it going toward her original balance. The entire balance of her federal loans will be paid off in 351 months. Dr. Bisutti will be 70 years old.

The debt load keeps her up at night. Her damaged credit has prevented her from buying a home or a new car. She says she and her boyfriend of three years have put off marriage and having children because of the debt.

Dr. Bisutti told her 17-year-old niece the story of her debt as a cautionary tale "so the next generation of kids who want to get a higher education knows what they're getting into," she says. "I will likely have to deal with this debt for the rest of my life."
 

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Both of my sons have some student loan debt. I have about 60% of theirs.

If you were an idiot and have purchased a house that is beyond your means, or were an idiot and run you credit cards to the max, or are an idiot and have gambling debt, that can be forgiven.

But the ones that need help are our kids who have incurred this debt and now, in this economy, are having trouble paying it off.

The government needs to interveen and help these kids.

... and their Dads. :D
 

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We are in a similar initial position to the doctor in the article. My wife is a Family Medicine resident with about $200,000 in debt (all med school related). We have read the fine print and we are not incurring any default fees for deferring through her first year of residency. She is getting her license soon so she can start moonlighting and bring in some bigger dough to knock down the debt. With moonlighting, we can probably put $3000 a month to the debt. All but one of her loans were bought by the Govt and were actually consolidated which was awesome.

Debt sucks!!!
 

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I've got student loans out the ***, but no way does my situation come close to that womans.

That's ridiculous. They give people all kinds of chances to pay their student loans. She doesn't need help with paying student loans, she needs a class in money management.
 

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My wife and I managed to limit our student loans to an extent when we were in school, at least compared to our classes mates. Now, the wife and I are trying to decide if we should go ahead and try to pay them off as much as possible first or save the money for a down payment and closing cost for a house.
 

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Exactly, WG!

I have very little sympathy. She borrowed the money, she should abide by the terms to pay it back. It sounds like she made very little attempts to pay it back if it's been turned over to collections.

I had about $60,000 in student loans after I graduated college, and while it took a while to pay them back, I found them very easy to work with.

That much debt doesn't exactly sneak up on you. Have some common sense and you don't get yourself into that situation in the first place.
 

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WoodysGirl;3279280 said:
That's ridiculous. They give people all kinds of chances to pay their student loans. She doesn't need help with paying student loans, she needs a class in money management.

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This, x10!

Michelle Bisutti borrowed $250,000 to pay for medical school. The debt has since ballooned to $555,000.
It is the result of her deferring loan payments while she completed her residency, default charges and relentlessly compounding interest rates. Among the charges: a single $53,870 fee for when her loan was turned over to a collection agency.

"Maybe half of it was my fault because I didn't look at the fine print," Dr. Bisutti says. "But this is just outrageous now."

Geeee, ya THINK, Doc!!??

Somehow, going to a Dr that says "Oops, guess I forgot to pay attentention to the details?", isn't exactly what I wanna do. ESPECIALLY, if it involves anything S. of my belt buckle!!
 

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WoodysGirl;3279280 said:
I've got student loans out the ***, but no way does my situation come close to that womans.

That's ridiculous. They give people all kinds of chances to pay their student loans. She doesn't need help with paying student loans, she needs a class in money management.

Couldn't agree with you more WG. Even though we have a lot of debt, the banks were very upfront with the conditions. Every three months we got our interest statements with clear directions of what could be done, explanations of the benefits of at least paying some of the interest, as well as all important due dates. The woman in the article probably made no attempt to contact her bank or at least apply for a forbearance.

I think one recent change for medical school loans has been the inability to defer through your entire residency. This change was enacted only a few years ago, but there were probably a lot of people who did not know that and/or didn't pay enough attention to the terms of the loans. On some student loans (quite a few of the high principle loans), the interest will actually capitalize after 10 years. This was a big reason for banks changing the policy on the deferring of loans through residency. Cardiologists and other surgeons can often have residencies that last 6 years, so they can be stuck with their initial principle plus their newly capitalized interest (10 yrs worth).
 

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Blame her, or Blame the CC companies. Either way, the price to get an education in this country is absolutely ridiculous. And its the same reason more and more people aren't going to college anymore.

It will be a contributing factor to the fall of this country. I mean, how could it not?
 

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ethiostar;3279287 said:
My wife and I managed to limit our student loans to an extent when we were in school, at least compared to our classes mates. Now, the wife and I are trying to decide if we should go ahead and try to pay them off as much as possible first or save the money for a down payment and closing cost for a house.
IMO, you can do both. I got my house while I was actively paying my student loans. Altho, that was two degrees and several student loans ago. :D

That said, I don't have an expensive home and it's just fine for my circumstances. A modest 3-2-2.

Initially, I'd look for a house that's reasonable and will accommodate your growing family. And just be disciplined with saving. You'll be surprised at how easy it will be when you get into the habit of it all.

Another thing that irked me about that woman.

She says she and her boyfriend of three years have put off marriage and having children because of the debt.
If you're serious, go to the courthouse and shut up.
 

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WoodysGirl;3279316 said:
IMO, you can do both. I got my house while I was actively paying my student loans. Altho, that was two degrees and several student loans ago. :D

That said, I don't have an expensive home and it's just fine for my circumstances. A modest 3-2-2.

Initially, I'd look for a house that's reasonable and will accommodate your growing family. And just be disciplined with saving. You'll be surprised at how easy it will be when you get into the habit of it all.

Another thing that irked me about that woman.

If you're serious, go to the courthouse and shut up.

Thanks WG.

What we're considering was actually paying off all student loans, not just small payments every months but a few large chunks till its all paid, which should take us a little less than a year. Currently we're paying over the minimum every month.

On the other hand, if we don't have enough for a down payment and/or for closing cost we'll still be in debt and for much larger amount and the interest on that amount would be much larger.

in reality, we probably keep doing what we've been doing. Pay more than the minimum amount on the loans and save as much as we can for a modest house.
 

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They have a program called TOPPS here in Louisiana where if you have a high enough GPA coming out of highschool you get your tuition paid for if you go to a college in Louisiana. I was able to keep that about 1/3 of the way through, then I used my savings for another 1/3, then I was able to get another scholarship from the school that paid 65% of my tuition. I worked to pay the other 35%. Thank God I don't have any loans to pay, but I was dead broke through the last 1/3 of school.
 

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I read this article on The Wall Street Journal yesterday and though I sympathize with the good Doctor, she only has herself to blame.

As the article pointed out, generally speaking, the only way to escape a student loan is through death.

Honestly, what upsets me is all the loans that are in default and flatout not being paid.
 

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Maikeru-sama;3279419 said:
I read this article on The Wall Street Journal yesterday and though I sympathize with the good Doctor, she only has herself to blame.

As the article pointed out, generally speaking, the only way to escape a student loan is through death.

Honestly, what upsets me is all the loans that are in default and flatout not being paid.

I worked with a guy who refused to pay his. I guess if you don't pay it what can they do?

He even won about $10,000 at one of the casinos here and bought a car.
 

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It's funny how Dr's are notorious for having bad credit...
 

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I just read an article today about my law school raising tuition. It's not uncommon for kids to have $100-200k in loans just from law school.

An education is expensive.
 

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half a mill in debt for a profession that is going to earn you six figures a year for the rest of your life? Stop ****ing complaining.
 

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AbeBeta;3279740 said:
half a mill in debt for a profession that is going to earn you six figures a year for the rest of your life? Stop ****ing complaining.
Payment on $500k is going to be somewhere around $5k per month. If you're making $200k per year, that's nearly 1/2 your monthly paycheck.
 

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Maikeru-sama;3279419 said:
I read this article on The Wall Street Journal yesterday and though I sympathize with the good Doctor, she only has herself to blame.

As the article pointed out, generally speaking, the only way to escape a student loan is through death.

Honestly, what upsets me is all the loans that are in default and flatout not being paid.

From what I understand, death won't get it out of the way. Your life insurance disbursement gets hit for anything you owe, in addition to anything bequeathed in your last will and testament. If there is property involved and your student loan isn't paid off, they can go after the beneficiaries in your estate.

For the idiot doctor involved, her student loan will outlive her by years.

I had a small one that was taken out for me by my mother while at Tech. When you consolidate, this one didn't end up with the rest which total about $52K last time I looked. When I went to get my real estate license, I couldn't. That one little loan for $4k was in default. I swear on all that is holy that I don't remember signing for that one.

All it took was $900 and I was caught up and able to get my real estate license a few weeks later. I cannot imagine what the doctor in this story did. Use the mail with "Sallie Mae" as the deliverer for her fireplace???
 

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CowboyFan74;3279725 said:
It's funny how Dr's are notorious for having bad credit...

True.

And what is so interesting that is I read a book called "Good credit is sexy", which had quite a bit of information directly from people that worked at the Big 3 Credit Bureaus and Fair Isaac. The FICO equation is shrouded in mystery but the book claimed that part of the formula is what profession you are in and Doctors and Lawyers got a bump because they were more educated and would have an above average income throughout their life.

I would not want to even imagine owing someone $500,000 unless it was a business loan and it resulted in a business that was paying me quite a bit of direct income or passive income.

What is so bad about her situation is that she will probably only pay the minimum each month, in this case interest is going to be a huge problem and the opportunity costs are high because imagine what she could have done with that income she is going to be paying Sallie Mae.
 
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