The 90's scale... It's dumb...

[bsheeern]

I love it when people say "in the nineties we had such and such at X position and he's much better than such and such we have now".

Well no **** Donkey ****!! (I apologize in advance for that line.) We had a once in a lifetime team in the Nineties!!!!! Keep comparing the Nineties to now and you'll always fail at reality.

Just take a Minute and think about some things:

1. This is not the same NFL. FA and salary cap have changed the game forever and the 90's will never happen again unless they change it back!

2. The Herchel Walker trade is stamped in Every gm's manual for do's and dont's. We got Pimped and the Vikings got Pimp slapped for a good 15-20 years for that trade. It won't happen again. It still gets brought up in stories when talking about the 90's dynasty.

3. Without the Walker trade, there's no dynasty! No matter how good anyone believes Jimmy or Jerry were back then, without the Walker trade they don't win 1 single superbowl. Not 1. The NFL of today won't allow a Walker Trade. Closest thing we will see is the NO/Ditka/Ricky Williams trade and that trade was for only about half in terms of players and picks.

4. When you want to compare a player of today's team or even todays team to another, compare them to the other 32 in the NFL. Do some homework. Go look at how X player was acquired. Watch some film on them. It's pretty easy with the Internet. And when I say film I don't meant YouTube highlight clips. I mean previous games from snap to snap. When comparing gm's, go look at each GM. Do some research. It always makes me laugh when people say "well the patriots GM is better than ours". Meanwhile they don't know the guys name much less how long he's been in the job or the deals he's made. It's a lazy process.

I could go on and on and on but most probably won't read because it takes to much effort and time. Well the effort and time is how you learn. Not listening to "gossip or hearsay" from fans.

 

[pupulehaole]

You mad bro? Lol sry, had to do it I'm just in a troll mood.

 

[CoCo]

The Patriots of 2002, 2004 & 2005 say that you're wrong.

/thread closed.

 

[Established1971]

I love it when people say "in the nineties we had such and such at X position and he's much better than such and such we have now".

Well no **** Donkey ****!! (I apologize in advance for that line.) We had a once in a lifetime team in the Nineties!!!!! Keep comparing the Nineties to now and you'll always fail at reality.

Just take a Minute and think about some things:

1. This is not the same NFL. FA and salary cap have changed the game forever and the 90's will never happen again unless they change it back!

2. The Herchel Walker trade is stamped in Every gm's manual for do's and dont's. We got Pimped and the Vikings got Pimp slapped for a good 15-20 years for that trade. It won't happen again. It still gets brought up in stories when talking about the 90's dynasty.

3. Without the Walker trade, there's no dynasty! No matter how good anyone believes Jimmy or Jerry were back then, without the Walker trade they don't win 1 single superbowl. Not 1. The NFL of today won't allow a Walker Trade. Closest thing we will see is the NO/Ditka/Ricky Williams trade and that trade was for only about half in terms of players and picks.

4. When you want to compare a player of today's team or even todays team to another, compare them to the other 32 in the NFL. Do some homework. Go look at how X player was acquired. Watch some film on them. It's pretty easy with the Internet. And when I say film I don't meant YouTube highlight clips. I mean previous games from snap to snap. When comparing gm's, go look at each GM. Do some research. It always makes me laugh when people say "well the patriots GM is better than ours". Meanwhile they don't know the guys name much less how long he's been in the job or the deals he's made. It's a lazy process.

I could go on and on and on but most probably won't read because it takes to much effort and time. Well the effort and time is how you learn. Not listening to "gossip or hearsay" from fans.

Oh my god the Walker trade is soooooooo overrated. None of the players we got amounted to anything. We got a bunch of picks sure but people keep saying we got Emmitt with one of those picks and we didnt, we got half of Emmitt with one of those picks because we got the Emmitt slot after a trade where we gave up one of the Viking slots and one of our slots. People need to stop elevating that trade to such massive proportions. You're berating people for listening to hearsay and it is exactly what you are doing.

 

[Rynie]

All I know is deion sanders is much better than any corner we have now. Ware is good, but he's no Charles Haley. Romo will never win the big one like aikman did. We def. Need another walker trade. Let's trade romo for a 5th! Pfft.

 

[The Emperor]

The Patriots of 2002, 2004 & 2005 say that you're wrong.

/thread closed.

And their video camera will back them up on that.

 

[Future]

The Patriots of 2002, 2004 & 2005 say that you're wrong.

/thread closed.

I would take the 92 93 95 Cowboys over those teams any day of the week

 

[Rack]

The Patriots of 2002, 2004 & 2005 say that you're wrong.

/thread closed.

Those teams couldn't hold the 90's cowboys teams' jocks.

 

[treykin32]

All I know is deion sanders is much better than any corner we have now. Ware is good, but he's no Charles Haley. Romo will never win the big one like aikman did. We def. Need another walker trade. Let's trade romo for a 5th! Pfft.

I can agree with the Deion statement. Charles Haley had Tony Casilles, Jim Jeffcoat, Jimmie Jones, Leon Lett, Russell Maryland playing with him on that line. All of these players were play makers. Not to mention David Wannstadt was Defensive Coordinator. Charles Haley had an easy job. All he had to do is rush the passer, however he never had a 20 sack season. Ware has & with less impactful players along side him (other then Ratliff). Playing a 3-4 he doesn't rush every play, he has to go out in coverage 11-15% of the time.

Now on to Romo vs Aikman...Aikman probably would have had only one playoff win with that line Romo has to play with every year. Aikman had probably the best offensive line ever in the NFL to protect him (yet it seemed he got hurt every year). Romo numbers speak for themselves. Considering the line he plays behind & his numbers, Romo is outplaying his contract. Seriously. Everyone always says that Romo can't win the big game. One big game that come to mind that shouldn't be put on Tony is that Seattle playoff game. Now, if Terry Glenn Catches the ball & scores we go up 2 scores in the 4th quarter & we advance to the next round. But Terry Glenn fumbles the ball out of the end zone, & Seattle drives and scores. Tony, then leads us in position to win the game and then "that thing" happens. I don't blame Romo for that loss. Romo is the reason every game that we play is close. He keeps this team in a position to win games despite the talent he has in front of him.

Oh let me not forget that Aikman had the NFL All Time Leading Rusher/NFL All Time Leading TD Rusher to hand the ball to 25-30 times a game. If Romo had it like that. We would have won in 06, 07, 08, & 09.

 

[treykin32]

Those teams couldn't hold the 90's cowboys teams' jocks.

I have to agree those Patriot teams couldn't even come close to the 90s Cowboys. In those years the Patriots had the best average team. All the elite teams were average. They knew how to win games, but they weren't dominant like those 90s Cowboys. Plus they had the best kicker in the game. If I'm not mistaken Vinteri won all there SB with last minute kicks. I may be wrong tho.

 

[Fletch]

And their video camera will back them up on that.

Ooooh! No you didn't.... :laugh2:

 

[Fletch]

I love these threads because the replies crack me up. You guys are good. :laugh2:

 

[Doomsay]

I would take the 92 93 95 Cowboys over those teams any day of the week

He was accurately refuting the fact that there couldn't be a dynasty similar to the early 90's Cowboys in the modern age. Whether that Cowboys team could beat the Pats of the prior decade is irrelevant.

 

[utrunner07]

I could go on and on and on

Not that the rest of your post was not accurate, but this part pretty much

 

[bsheeern]

The Patriots of 2002, 2004 & 2005 say that you're wrong.

/thread closed.

Oh brother..... Why do I try????? The patriots?? Where did they come into the mix?

I guess your trying to say they were a dynasty and somehow comparing that to what my post was about?

My post was about comparing today's team(cowboys) to the 90's teams. Guess you were trying to be a "thread closer" but You failed. Nice try tho! Get with Hos and see if we can get you some kind of consolation prize of some sort.
:bang2: :bang2:

 

[bsheeern]

Oh my god the Walker trade is soooooooo overrated. None of the players we got amounted to anything. We got a bunch of picks sure but people keep saying we got Emmitt with one of those picks and we didnt, we got half of Emmitt with one of those picks because we got the Emmitt slot after a trade where we gave up one of the Viking slots and one of our slots. People need to stop elevating that trade to such massive proportions. You're berating people for listening to hearsay and it is exactly what you are doing.

Wow!!! SMH......."oh my God", "sooooooooooo overrated" are you 14 and from the Valley? Like I'm sooooooooooo wondering because you are like sooooooooooo sounding like it. Like, oh my god duuuuuuuude!!!!


So we got nobody from the trade huh? My respect for your knowledge ended with that statement. Guess we land 22 by not using Minnesota's pick somehow???
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (12) (Alvin Harper)
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (38) (Dixon Edwards)
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1992 (conditional) - (37) (Darren Woodson)

 

[Hoofbite]

Well, to some extent I agree and to some extent I do not.

Comparing the Dallas Cowboys of the 2000s to the Dallas Cowboys 1990s is useless. This team doesn't have anything close to those teams. Furthermore, the comparisons have been based on results rather than the process or building blocks that made the results. Saying "well, this team has struggled just like the team of the 1990s", is pretty ridiculous.

However, the Patriots are a team that is run amazingly so I disagree.

They get great return. They don't overpay for specific positions and they will not hesitate to make an unpopular move if they need to.

Their process is amazing. Whether or not their scouting department is worth two squirts doesn't really hold a lot of weight when talking about their GM decisions.

They acquire picks with the best of them. Jerry paid a king's ransom for a guy a specific player a few times. Give me the choice of overpaying for average (at best) or getting great return while making moves that don't prevent the team from winning.......Ill take the later.

It wouldn't shock me one bit of the Patriots swapped back this year in order to stack another 1st round pick for next year. Imagine if they have the ammo to move up for Luck.

The Pats management is pretty solid.

 

[63echo]

Not that the rest of your post was not accurate, but this part pretty much

:laugh2:

You ain't kiddin.'

 

[bsheeern]

You mad bro? Lol sry, had to do it I'm just in a troll mood.

Lol I love this place but I still wish there was a test you had to pass to be able to post. Just like there should be one to determine who is allowed to reproduce! Lol

 

[bsheeern]

Not that the rest of your post was not accurate, but this part pretty much

And yet some still don't get it......

You have to go into great detail when explaining some things to certain people.