The Best and Least of the East-Part II

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We did a middlin' review of the Giants so we move onto the Commanders. As an aside, I don't know which team I hate the most......Skins, Giants or Eagles. Of course the Packers and Steelers are up there as well. This one is going to be a mite shorter.

2017 Washington Commanders

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As you can see they scored and gave up about the same and their predicted and real record is what you'd expect at 8-7-1. What's a bit hidden in their record but not their stats is they were #3 in yards on offense and only 25 points away from out 2016 output of 421 points. Unfortunately, they were 28th in yards given up although 19th in PPG. I did not check their RZ%.

Still they posted their first back to back winning seasons in 20 years. :)

So overall looking at the grand picture the Skins need to improve their defense especially in yards given up. They need to get down to the 18 PPG and at least 20 or less. Their offense needs to hit the 400 mark.

I did not look at their STs.

Roster

I'm not going to post the entire roster as it makes the post unwieldy. Here is one link to the Skins' site: http://www.Commanders.com/team/roster.html Here's another: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Washington_Redskins_season

I can't vouch for the completeness of those rosters. Please, feel free to chime in corrections and additional info.

Here's their recent transactions: http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/transactions/_/name/wsh/washington-Commanders

Gruden is a good HC IMO. Notice they promoted Matt Cavanaugh to offensive coordinator and Greg Manusky to defensive coordinator. In fact they fired more than a few defensive coaches. So they recognized they needed to improve on both sides of the ball and esp D. They have a new strength coach. They fired their GM in mid March.

Some important offseason transactions:

Signed DL Terrell McClain, DL Stacy McGee, S D.J. Swearinger and WR Terrelle Pryor, WR Brian Quick.
Lost WR Jackson and WR Garcon.

QB: Kirk Cousins signed his franchise tender. So at least we see him two more games health willing. He's capable but inconsistent. IMO, he's still growing. We'll see if he progresses this year. Last year was a career year for him aided by an OL producing 4.5 yards per rush and only giving up 23 sacks which is very good. I didn't bother to look at the backups.

RB: Their third round pick, Matt Jones, failed last year. The 5-8 195lb Chris Thompson is their best back but has had injury problems. He's good out of the backfield. They need a back in the draft or they need to add a vet.

OL: Their starting five all return for 2017 including Williams who had his colleagues in Texas replete with T shirts to instill an attitude to what he dubs as Hogs 2. We'll see.

Williams can play at an elite level. Lauvao is a bit of a mystery coming off injury. They have a solid line and some decent backups with a great OL coach. I look for them to improve. They did leave running the ball as an aside at times despite the 4.5 number. They had a tougher time than you'd like to see (from their standpoint ok) with some players at multiple positions. So they have room to improve but a solid group.

TE: They resigned Vernon Davis who has always been a mystery to me. He should be HOF material instead of just somewhere between decent and good. Jordan Reed has been a pain in the derriere to us. I don't know the other two well.

WR: They have Crowder who is a pain as well in the slot and Josh Doctson. They added Quick who was drafted R2-33 and is a big fast WR at 6-3 218. He has done well yet but sports an almost 15 non-adjusted YPC. Not too shabby, huh? Totally unproven though. They'll be looking for more talent at WR in the draft and otherwise. They have a X, SL, and Y but need depth.

DL: Think our DL was bad?? Washington got 7.5 sacks out of the team's 38 last year with a make shift line due to not drafting DL early, surprise cuts and injuries. They were a bit pitiful. Outside of T McClain I just don't know what they have. They signed Taylor a big body out of the league two years. They have two newer players returning who saw limited action and another guy finishing out his three year contract.

Any insights here would be great.

LB: Trent Murphy moved from DE to LB last year and had a good year with 9 sacks. Compton and Foster played reasonably well. Kerrigan had 11 sacks so they are solid at LBer. Again I don't know the depth. Smith is in this third year but was disappointing last year.

DB: Cornerback was good with the addition of Norman to Breeland, addition of Toler, Dunbar, and Fuller. They added DJ Swearinger to some shaky safety play. They return at safety Whitner a vet pickup in October and Hall coming off IR.

I didn't look at their STs players.

Draft: Their number one need is at DE. They need a safety, an inside LBer, WR and a RB as well. They'll draft the best player available at most positions but those are their biggest needs. They should have 7 picks although some are compensatory. Their 1-3 is set though.

Prediction: The East is just hard to predict this year. The Giants could fall aways and the Skins might push for a playoff spot. I see thim as 3 or 4 in the East behind NY and Dallas though. Depends more so on the defense although the offense needs to improve, too.
 

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Kelley should be their HB. Ran very well last year and they are high on him

Sorry, forgot about him. Had a hard deadline from the boss. They like Johnson apparently but don't trust him. I'll have another look at Kelley. Jones blew too many assignments and put the ball on the ground.
 

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Some have Kelley as the starter and others don't. Strong second half performance and over 150 carries without a fumble. I've seen him run. I guess it depends on who they draft and how they do.
 

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QB: Kirk Cousins signed his franchise tender. So at least we see him two more games health willing. He's capable but inconsistent. IMO, he's still growing. We'll see if he progresses this year. Last year was a career year for him aided by an OL producing 4.5 yards per rush and only giving up 23 sacks which is very good. I didn't bother to look at the backups.

I'll disagree here. Cousins has been in the NFL for what 5 years.
Yes capable and inconsistent.

I doubt he will get much better. Unless they find some great WR's and pick up their running game so all he needs to do is manage the game.

Also switching to a 3 - 4 on defense the first year is always shaky.
 

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The Commanders are the least of the division rivals. Cowboys will sweep them. The Giants and Eagles have improved and either "could" win the division.

Eagles will not be good.

Believe it or not..they still have a huge question mark at quarterback. Wentz was wildly inconsistent last season and failed to live up to expectations. He should have better targets this season but I watched him a bit...yes he can make elite throws but he also throws a lot of garbage. He has a tendency to make the same mistake over and over again. His stars should've been much better last season considering how QB friendly his offense is with all of the short, easy throws.

He needs a running game to take pressure off of him and the Eagles don't seem too worried about that. They still have the draft but they have the worst backfield in the league imo.

Defensively, they are solid but they did nothing really to improve their dreadful passing defense. Their running defense will also take a huge hit without Logan. He is a big reason they had a tendency to slow down our running game.

Yes Eagles added some headliners on the outside but I don't see them any better than last season unless Wentz makes a significant jump and they somehow improve their awful secondary.

Giants are our only competition IMO.
 

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I'll disagree here. Cousins has been in the NFL for what 5 years.
Yes capable and inconsistent.

I doubt he will get much better. Unless they find some great WR's and pick up their running game so all he needs to do is manage the game.

Also switching to a 3 - 4 on defense the first year is always shaky.

You may be right. How many OCs has this guy had and how many new schemes? I DO think he's inconsistent but I'm not certain he can't develop. We'll see. Obviously I hope he plays poorly against us at the least.
 

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Eagles will not be good.

Believe it or not..they still have a huge question mark at quarterback. Wentz was wildly inconsistent last season and failed to live up to expectations. He should have better targets this season but I watched him a bit...yes he can make elite throws but he also throws a lot of garbage. He has a tendency to make the same mistake over and over again. His stars should've been much better last season considering how QB friendly his offense is with all of the short, easy throws.

He needs a running game to take pressure off of him and the Eagles don't seem too worried about that. They still have the draft but they have the worst backfield in the league imo.

Defensively, they are solid but they did nothing really to improve their dreadful passing defense. Their running defense will also take a huge hit without Logan. He is a big reason they had a tendency to slow down our running game.

Yes Eagles added some headliners on the outside but I don't see them any better than last season unless Wentz makes a significant jump and they somehow improve their awful secondary.

Giants are our only competition IMO.


You've given me a start on the next one! :)
 

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Also added Pryor at WR.

Yeah, I thought I put him in there. He is in the transactions but I forgot to put him in the WRs. Again, had a big distraction.....had to help make dumplings for today's pot. Still don't know what he'll do. Had a good year last year with the Browns and he's 6-4 and runs a 4.38 40 so he might be a nightmare. Or still learning.....
 

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Eagles will not be good.

Believe it or not..they still have a huge question mark at quarterback. Wentz was wildly inconsistent last season and failed to live up to expectations. He should have better targets this season but I watched him a bit...yes he can make elite throws but he also throws a lot of garbage. He has a tendency to make the same mistake over and over again. His stars should've been much better last season considering how QB friendly his offense is with all of the short, easy throws.

He needs a running game to take pressure off of him and the Eagles don't seem too worried about that. They still have the draft but they have the worst backfield in the league imo.

Defensively, they are solid but they did nothing really to improve their dreadful passing defense. Their running defense will also take a huge hit without Logan. He is a big reason they had a tendency to slow down our running game.

Yes Eagles added some headliners on the outside but I don't see them any better than last season unless Wentz makes a significant jump and they somehow improve their awful secondary.

Giants are our only competition IMO.
The NFCE is always competitive and the Eagles have improved. Wentz is just a kid and will get better. A lot depends on what the Cowboys do at the draft and with the rest of the off season. If the FO doesn't seriuosly improve the Defense it could be a long season. last season, everything went the Cowboys way in most games. I wouldn't count on that happening the same way again. My point was the Cowboys can not allow the division rivals to improve and not keep pace.
 

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The most dangerous man in the Commanders organization is Bill Callahan. Hes going to have that line working well and the Skins have the weapons to make it work. What will keep every team comepitive with them will because of their HC Jay Gruden.

They got active in FA and made a few good moves. Nothing earth shattering but enough to say "yea we got better" They will bring back the core of their team with a few new faces who can make small changes but enough to get to the next step.

You dont have to fear their defense, but you ll have to consider it. You really can out coach their head coach. You cant however out coach their offensive line, but you will have to over power it. Kirk Cousins wont scare anyone, but having Doctson, bringing in Pryor and resigning an agining Verson Davis wont be easy to slow down.

Their draft is set up and look for them to go defense, do they need to go defense heavy, no, but they have wiggle room with a free agency that will allow them to target their needs. They should look at CB, Nose, or a general for their linebacker corp for their first round wants.
 

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The most dangerous man in the Commanders organization is Bill Callahan. Hes going to have that line working well and the Skins have the weapons to make it work. What will keep every team comepitive with them will because of their HC Jay Gruden.

They got active in FA and made a few good moves. Nothing earth shattering but enough to say "yea we got better" They will bring back the core of their team with a few new faces who can make small changes but enough to get to the next step.

You dont have to fear their defense, but you ll have to consider it. You really can out coach their head coach. You cant however out coach their offensive line, but you will have to over power it. Kirk Cousins wont scare anyone, but having Doctson, bringing in Pryor and resigning an agining Verson Davis wont be easy to slow down.

Their draft is set up and look for them to go defense, do they need to go defense heavy, no, but they have wiggle room with a free agency that will allow them to target their needs. They should look at CB, Nose, or a general for their linebacker corp for their first round wants.

I like Cousins a bit better but agree he's not elite. But that line will create problems. They have a SL and Doctson. If the guy from the Rams works out they will have a big receiver who gains yards. I find them hard to evaluate primarily because I'm so biased. They could make some noise or be average. Hard to say.
 
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