The Best Cowboys Post-Jimmy Draft Picks at Each Round (Non-Active)

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We definitely have been drafting better as of late. It's pretty brutal in the 00's.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oh wow. I have Roy on ignore. I thought I had been first to mess up.

Either way. My bad.

 

[NotForLong]

I'm sorry for my transgression.

Ok Cowboy Roy

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Pretty hard to argue with the first three lol.

I think in the 4th round I'd say it's Doug Free, but that's nitpicking.

 

[tunahelper]

It's not a rank. It's by round. Larry Allen was a 2nd round pick.

Still worth emphasis. LA is the best of the non-actives (all rounds).

 

[KJJ]

It would’ve been better to go with the best post Jimmy Johnson draft picks. It would’ve eliminated the confusion.

 

[CCBoy]

If you are citing active players then you are predicting the future. This is why I omitted them.

I can give you a "what if" scenario for every active player, both good or unfortunate.

Obviously, if I was to base a current player's entire career on what they have done so far and assume that trajectory, this list would be entirely different.

However, when I consider the careers of Cowboys players like 1st round draft picks Mike Sherrard and Billy Cannon Jr, I know better than to assume.

Draft effectiveness is much stronger as well as abilities of the drafted players now, as well.

 

[xwalker]

All active players are excluded. Ultimately, I see at least see three rounds being replaced by currently active players.

1. DeMarcus Ware
2. Larry Allen
3. Jason Witten
4. Marion Barber*
5. Orlando Scandrick
6. Nick Folk
7. Jay Ratliff*


* I have listed the players whose careers most benefited the Dallas Cowboys. However, were they the best Cowboys pick in their particular round?

An argument can be made that the best 4th round pick was G Ron Stone, a ten year starter and three timer Pro Bowler who spent time with the Giants, Packers and Raiders.

Likewise, the best 7th round pick could very well be S Brock Marion, a ten year starter and three time Pro Bowler, mostly for the Dolphins.

Witten was great but Jerry likely has zero Super Bowl rings without Erik Williams.

Back in 93 Madden said he was the most dominant player in the league at any position.

Years later during LA's peak, Madden said pre-wreck EW was more dominant than LA, albeit by a small margin.

Where does Reggie White rank on the all time greats list? EW kicked his arse like no other OL had ever done.

EW was a shell of himself after his knee was destroyed in the wreck but he still made 1st team ALL Pro 2 more times and 3 more Pro Bowls.

 

[xwalker]

Witten was great but Jerry likely has zero Super Bowl rings without Erik Williams.

Back in 93 Madden said he was the most dominant player in the league at any position.

Years later during LA's peak, Madden said pre-wreck EW was more dominant than LA, albeit by a small margin.

Where does Reggie White rank on the all time greats list? EW kicked his arse like no other OL had ever done.

EW was a shell of himself after his knee was destroyed in the wreck but he still made 1st team ALL Pro 2 more times and 3 more Pro Bowls.

Sorry, I see it was post Jimmy only picks...

 

[CCBoy]

Witten was great but Jerry likely has zero Super Bowl rings without Erik Williams.

Back in 93 Madden said he was the most dominant player in the league at any position.

Years later during LA's peak, Madden said pre-wreck EW was more dominant than LA, albeit by a small margin.

Where does Reggie White rank on the all time greats list? EW kicked his arse like no other OL had ever done.

EW was a shell of himself after his knee was destroyed in the wreck but he still made 1st team ALL Pro 2 more times and 3 more Pro Bowls.

Jimmy Johnson was a defensive line and then defensive coordinator at Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Pittsburgh for 9 seasons. This before becoming a Head Coach for Oklahoma State and then Miami for a total of 10 seasons.

He laid a strong base and started on the defensive side of the coaching ball.

Viewed first from the dominant defensive side, he had good insights for offensive qualities.

Overall	Offense	Rushing Off	Passing Off	Defense	Rushing Def	Passing Def
Year	Tm	Role	Tms	WL%	T/G	Pts±	Yds±	Yds	Pts	GvA	Att	Yds	TD	Y/A	FL	Att	Yds	TD	Int	NY/A	Yds	Pts	TkA	Att	Yds	TD	Y/A	FR	Att	Yds	TD	Int	nY/A
1989	DAL	HC	28	28	28	28	26	27	28	25	27	24	27	15	15	14	27	24	25	26	20	24	28	27	18	21	6	26	9	20	14	28	24
1990	DAL	HC	28	15	16	21	20	28	26	17	22	23	14	22	2	14	27	28	26	27	10	15	16	20	18	23	15	2	11	2	2	25	2
1991	DAL	HC	28	5	14	10	13	9	7	5	16	13	12	14	4	14	8	14	4	7	17	17	25	7	8	12	14	21	25	23	11	22	20
1992	DAL	HC	28	2	7	2	1	4	2	4	4	5	2	9	2	12	5	5	6	3	1	5	18	1	1	11	3	13	16	5	8	17	4
1993	DAL	HC	28	1	8	2	2	4	2	4	6	2	2	3	18	24	7	13	1	3	10	2	17	10	11	5	18	11	21	10	4	17	5
1996	MIA	HC	30	15	4	13	15	14	13	2	15	19	10	21	14	20	11	12	1	3	17	17	6	5	7	9	12	4	19	24	29	12	25
1997	MIA	HC	30	10	8	14	17	11	13	2	21	29	5	30	5	6	2	22	9	5	26	16	17	14	17	4	20	2	17	25	18	28	29
1998	MIA	HC	30	8	7	10	8	16	16	14	13	24	19	30	15	9	10	12	15	12	3	1	4	5	6	1	12	23	13	6	3	1	3
1999	MIA	HC	31	9	23	21	6	20	13	21	13	22	25	28	18	4	13	17	24	20

His product in the NFL as Head Coach...

 

[plasticman]

Draft effectiveness is much stronger as well as abilities of the drafted players now, as well.

True. However, comparatively speaking, I would say that the early Cowboys were farther ahead of their NFL competitors than the current regime is of theirs.

The "classic" Cowboys were the first to champion the use of a computer to evaluate player personnel. I think it was the major reason the Cowboys were able to win for so long while constantly drafting in the lower quarter of each round. That is, with the exception of some pretty fortunate trades.

I think the current Cowboys are drafting well simply due to the talent that they have in personnel. I often get down on Jerry Jones, but I have to hand it to him as far as his personnel department, he seems to be sparing no expense. These guys seem to know how to evaluate.

 

[CCBoy]

Jimmy Johnson was a defensive line and then defensive coordinator at Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Pittsburgh for 9 seasons. This before becoming a Head Coach for Oklahoma State and then Miami for a total of 10 seasons.

He laid a strong base and started on the defensive side of the coaching ball.

Viewed first from the dominant defensive side, he had good insights for offensive qualities.

Overall	Offense	Rushing Off	Passing Off	Defense	Rushing Def	Passing Def
Year	Tm	Role	Tms	WL%	T/G	Pts±	Yds±	Yds	Pts	GvA	Att	Yds	TD	Y/A	FL	Att	Yds	TD	Int	NY/A	Yds	Pts	TkA	Att	Yds	TD	Y/A	FR	Att	Yds	TD	Int	nY/A
1989	DAL	HC	28	28	28	28	26	27	28	25	27	24	27	15	15	14	27	24	25	26	20	24	28	27	18	21	6	26	9	20	14	28	24
1990	DAL	HC	28	15	16	21	20	28	26	17	22	23	14	22	2	14	27	28	26	27	10	15	16	20	18	23	15	2	11	2	2	25	2
1991	DAL	HC	28	5	14	10	13	9	7	5	16	13	12	14	4	14	8	14	4	7	17	17	25	7	8	12	14	21	25	23	11	22	20
1992	DAL	HC	28	2	7	2	1	4	2	4	4	5	2	9	2	12	5	5	6	3	1	5	18	1	1	11	3	13	16	5	8	17	4
1993	DAL	HC	28	1	8	2	2	4	2	4	6	2	2	3	18	24	7	13	1	3	10	2	17	10	11	5	18	11	21	10	4	17	5
1996	MIA	HC	30	15	4	13	15	14	13	2	15	19	10	21	14	20	11	12	1	3	17	17	6	5	7	9	12	4	19	24	29	12	25
1997	MIA	HC	30	10	8	14	17	11	13	2	21	29	5	30	5	6	2	22	9	5	26	16	17	14	17	4	20	2	17	25	18	28	29
1998	MIA	HC	30	8	7	10	8	16	16	14	13	24	19	30	15	9	10	12	15	12	3	1	4	5	6	1	12	23	13	6	3	1	3
1999	MIA	HC	31	9	23	21	6	20	13	21	13	22	25	28	18	4	13	17	24	20

His product in the NFL as Head Coach...

His product in the NFL as Head Coach...

You can start with his won-loss record, which was 36-28 in four seasons. He never had a losing record in those four years and only in his first season with the Dolphins, when he spent the offseason trying to remedy a bad salary-cap situation, did the team miss the playoffs.

After going one-and-done in the 1997 playoffs, the Dolphins defeated the Buffalo Bills and Seattle Seahawks, respectively, in the first round the next two years before getting blown out by clearly superior teams — including the infamous 62-7 loss at Jacksonville in the final NFL game for both Johnson and Marino.

Not everything was perfect, of course. There were draft mistakes, most notably trading down in the first round in 1998 to go from 19th to 29th to take draft bust John Avery before Randy Moss ended up going 21st.

Johnson also never was able to elevate the offense the way he did the defense. Of course, it didn't help that injuries had taken their toll on Marino by the time Johnson arrived. It also didn't help that Johnson was looking for more of a run-oriented offense than Marino had been accustomed to, which brought down the quarterback's numbers but also produced in 1996 the franchise's first 1,000-yard rusher (Karim Abdul-Jabbar) since 1978.

Maybe the worst thing Johnson did in Miami, though, was handpick his good friend Wannstedt to become his successor when he retired for a second time in January 2000 — he had been talked into coming back after wanting to retire after the 1998 season.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/super-bowl-rankings-all-time-worst-to-first/

True. However, comparatively speaking, I would say that the early Cowboys were farther ahead of their NFL competitors than the current regime is of theirs.

The "classic" Cowboys were the first to champion the use of a computer to evaluate player personnel. I think it was the major reason the Cowboys were able to win for so long while constantly drafting in the lower quarter of each round. That is, with the exception of some pretty fortunate trades.

I think the current Cowboys are drafting well simply due to the talent that they have in personnel. I often get down on Jerry Jones, but I have to hand it to him as far as his personnel department, he seems to be sparing no expense. These guys seem to know how to evaluate.

Good post. The NFL is both a very intense as well as educated sport. Then failures are built into sport with the ball shape as well as having to carry that ball each play at some point.

 

[Bobhaze]

All active players are excluded. Ultimately, I see at least see three rounds being replaced by currently active players.

1. DeMarcus Ware
2. Larry Allen
3. Jason Witten
4. Marion Barber*
5. Orlando Scandrick
6. Nick Folk
7. Jay Ratliff*


* I have listed the players whose careers most benefited the Dallas Cowboys. However, were they the best Cowboys pick in their particular round?

An argument can be made that the best 4th round pick was G Ron Stone, a ten year starter and three timer Pro Bowler who spent time with the Giants, Packers and Raiders.

Likewise, the best 7th round pick could very well be S Brock Marion, a ten year starter and three time Pro Bowler, mostly for the Dolphins.

Good list PM. I would add some rounds since until the early 90s, there were at least 12 rounds. In fact, the greatest Cowboy ever drafted IMO was a 10th round pick named Roger Staubach.
Here’s an alternate list:
Round 1: Bob Lily (nothing against Ware but Lily was one of the greatest DL in NFL history)
Round 2: Larry Allen
Round 3: Jason Witten
Round 4: Dak Prescott
Round 5: Herschel Walker
Round 6: Nick Folk
Round 7: Bob Hayes- HOFer that changed the game with his speed and Rayfield Wright- HOF RT
Round 8: Kevin Gogan
Round 9: Kenny Gant
Round 10: Roger Staubach- HOFer- greatest Cowboy
Round 11: Jethro Pugh- played 13 years alonside Lily
Round 12: Larry Brown- SB 30 MVP

 

[blueblood70]

Parsons - I think he is better than Ware at this point in their careers
Allen - HoF
Witten - HoF
Prescott - multiple pro bowls at the QB position. one of the best 4th round picks ever
Scandrick - best of a putrid bunch
Wilson - came into his own last year and was better than Reese and Woods
Ratliff - his exit was ugly but he made All Pro

it clearly said non active??? when did MP and prescott become non active?? cant follow directions lOL

 

[blueblood70]

Good list PM. I would add some rounds since until the early 90s, there were at least 12 rounds. In fact, the greatest Cowboy ever drafted IMO was a 10th round pick named Roger Staubach.
Here’s an alternate list:
Round 1: Bob Lily (nothing against Ware but Lily was one of the greatest DL in NFL history)
Round 2: Larry Allen
Round 3: Jason Witten
Round 4: Dak Prescott
Round 5: Herschel Walker
Round 6: Nick Folk
Round 7: Bob Hayes- HOFer that changed the game with his speed and Rayfield Wright- HOF RT
Round 8: Kevin Gogan
Round 9: Kenny Gant
Round 10: Roger Staubach- HOFer- greatest Cowboy
Round 11: Jethro Pugh- played 13 years alonside Lily
Round 12: Larry Brown- SB 30 MVP

did it not say non active and post jimmy, these are all over the place.....

 

[blueblood70]

Larry Allen should be ranked number 1.

those are not rankings those are rounds

 

[Bobhaze]

Good list PM. I would add some rounds since until the early 90s, there were at least 12 rounds. In fact, the greatest Cowboy ever drafted IMO was a 10th round pick named Roger Staubach.
Here’s an alternate list:
Round 1: Bob Lily (nothing against Ware but Lily was one of the greatest DL in NFL history)
Round 2: Larry Allen
Round 3: Jason Witten
Round 4: Dak Prescott
Round 5: Herschel Walker
Round 6: Nick Folk
Round 7: Bob Hayes- HOFer that changed the game with his speed and Rayfield Wright- HOF RT
Round 8: Kevin Gogan
Round 9: Kenny Gant
Round 10: Roger Staubach- HOFer- greatest Cowboy
Round 11: Jethro Pugh- played 13 years alonside Lily
Round 12: Larry Brown- SB 30 MVP

ooops.…I missed the “post Jimmy” phrase. My apologies.

 

[CouchCoach]

ooops.…I missed the “post Jimmy” phrase. My apologies.

The non-active is tricky as well, takes Big Smitty, Martin and Parsons out of round 1 contention.

 

[blueblood70]

Jimmy Johnson was a defensive line and then defensive coordinator at Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Pittsburgh for 9 seasons. This before becoming a Head Coach for Oklahoma State and then Miami for a total of 10 seasons.

He laid a strong base and started on the defensive side of the coaching ball.

Viewed first from the dominant defensive side, he had good insights for offensive qualities.

Year	Tm	Role	Tms	WL%	T/G	Pts±	Yds±	Yds	Pts	GvA	Att	Yds	TD	Y/A	FL	Att	Yds	TD	Int	NY/A	Yds	Pts	TkA	Att	Yds	TD	Y/A	FR	Att	Yds	TD	Int	nY/A
Overall	Offense	Rushing Off	Passing Off	Defense	Rushing Def	Passing Def
1989	DAL	HC	28	28	28	28	26	27	28	25	27	24	27	15	15	14	27	24	25	26	20	24	28	27	18	21	6	26	9	20	14	28	24
1990	DAL	HC	28	15	16	21	20	28	26	17	22	23	14	22	2	14	27	28	26	27	10	15	16	20	18	23	15	2	11	2	2	25	2
1991	DAL	HC	28	5	14	10	13	9	7	5	16	13	12	14	4	14	8	14	4	7	17	17	25	7	8	12	14	21	25	23	11	22	20
1992	DAL	HC	28	2	7	2	1	4	2	4	4	5	2	9	2	12	5	5	6	3	1	5	18	1	1	11	3	13	16	5	8	17	4
1993	DAL	HC	28	1	8	2	2	4	2	4	6	2	2	3	18	24	7	13	1	3	10	2	17	10	11	5	18	11	21	10	4	17	5
1996	MIA	HC	30	15	4	13	15	14	13	2	15	19	10	21	14	20	11	12	1	3	17	17	6	5	7	9	12	4	19	24	29	12	25
1997	MIA	HC	30	10	8	14	17	11	13	2	21	29	5	30	5	6	2	22	9	5	26	16	17	14	17	4	20	2	17	25	18	28	29
1998	MIA	HC	30	8	7	10	8	16	16	14	13	24	19	30	15	9	10	12	15	12	3	1	4	5	6	1	12	23	13	6	3	1	3
1999	MIA	HC	31	9	23	21	6	20	13	21	13	22	25	28	18	4	13	17	24	20

His product in the NFL as Head Coach...

and yet how many hall of famers are on the defensive side versus the offensive side? far as the drafting and the young players you are talking about not the hired hitman in Haley and Dieon lol. i'm pretty sure it's heavy on the offensive side... we had a good deep defense, so i get what you're saying but the biggest names and HOF payers were on Offense..

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ok Cowboy Roy

it clearly said non active??? when did MP and prescott become non active?? cant follow directions lOL

Talk about not taking the time to read. I already admitted to this and apologized to the OP 4times gone.