The biggest issue with this team.

[TrailBlazer]

Our biggest problem defensively is that we can't get pressure on the qb with our 4 DL. If you can get pressure by rushing just 4, and dropping the rest in coverage, you're going to be successful.

If we had a couple pass rushers, it would change things dramatically. We got some pressure on foles by blitzing. And what happened? We got some 3 and outs. It's glaringly obvious.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Its not the biggest issue. What sets us apart from the Seahawks and 49ers is they have great defenses with talent all over the field. Its not about where you draft. Its about finding the talent. You can sit here and talk about their defensive lines but where would the 9ers be without Willis and Bowman? Where would the Seahawks be without Earl Thomas and Sherman? All were high picks except Sherman.

It's the biggest issue defensively. The dline is the most important part of the defense. Getting pressure on qb's is the best indicator that your defense will be successful. See the giants 2 Super Bowl runs.

 

[Corso]

(note: this thread applies to Safeties as well. I'm just using Cornerbacks as an example)

I'm not going to go on a Jerruh rampage, but he's the biggest problem with this team. I'm taking about the biggest problem with the team that's fixable, and problems that aren't alcoholics and have dementia.

Hate on Garrett all you want. While dumb mistakes were an issue this year, the biggest issue this year was the defense.

I've seen quite a few posts slamming the secondary, mostly in the "Carr sucks, Mo sucks, Scandrick sucks" variety. They haven't been preforming well as of late, with the exception being Scandrick. All things cinsidered, Scandrick has been playing pretty well.


To find out why our defense is, um, not too good, let's take examples from some teams with good defenses. How about Seattle, Carolina, and San Francisco.


Let's take a trip down good old memory lane. Ok, 2009.



Since 2009, the Seattle Seahawks have drafted 12 DL players. That's 8 DEs, 4 DTs. They've drafted 5 CBs since then, too.



Since 2009, the Carolina Panthers have drafted 8 DL players. That's 5 DTs, 3 DEs. They've drafted 5 CBs since then, too.



Since 2009, the San Francisco 49ers have drafted 6 DL players. That's 1 DT, 4 DEs. They've drafted 4 CBs since then, too.



Now let's look at us. Since 2009, the Dallas Cowboys have drafted 3 DL players. That's 1 DT (Sean Lissemore), 2 DEs (Brandon Williams, Tyrone Crawford). The Cowboys have drafted 6 CBs.





Let's further extend these numbers.


Since 2009, Seattle has drafted 12 DL players.

1 in the 1st

1 in the 3rd

2 in the 4th

1 in the 5th

7 in the 7th

In that time span, Seattle has not drafted a CB above round 4.


Since 2009, Carolina has drafted 8 DL players.

2 in the 1st

1 in the 2nd

3 in the 3rd

1 in the 4th

1 in the 6th

In that time span, Carolina has not drafted a CB above round 4.



Since 2009, San Francisco has drafted 6 DL players.

1 in the 1st

1 in the 2nd

1 in the 3rd

1 in the 5th

2 in the 7th

In that time span, San Francisco has not drafted a CB above round 3.


Now, let's look at us.

Since 2009, the Dallas Cowboys have drafted 3 DL players.



1 in the 2nd

1 in the 4th

1 in the 7th



In that time span, the Dallas Cowboys have drafted their 6 CBs, including a 1st rounder.

Tell me, is every single CB and Safety we draft a bust, or do we have another problem we won't address?

I would have included Safeties, but then the numbers would have gotten out of hand.

You see, the good defensive teams constantly spend high picks on DL players. And guess what? They have solid, consistent defenses. And it makes their low-round CBs (Sherman was a 4th rounder, etc) look like studs.

Until one man, the General Manager, who influences every move this organization makes figures this out, can you really expect us to have a good defense?

You ever heard of the term "Truth-Bomb"?

You just dropped a nuke.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

I agree. I said in a post a few weeks ago, The philosophy on the O and D line's should be "Always bring in young talent".
This is how you maintain without major rebuilding projects IMO.

 

[plymkr]

So this kind of relates to another reply I gave on another post. Do we have poor drafts or do we do a poor job of getting the most out of our young players? Take the cb position- Newman, Jenkins, Claiborne, how can all three not live up to expectations and why does Newman and Jenkins play better (arguably) but stay healthier with different teams?

I think Jerry is still stuck in 1995-1997 when we had Deion Sanders, Darren Woodson, Kevin Smith that could cover an extra second or 2.

 

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

(note: this thread applies to Safeties as well. I'm just using Cornerbacks as an example)

I'm not going to go on a Jerruh rampage, but he's the biggest problem with this team. I'm taking about the biggest problem with the team that's fixable, and problems that aren't alcoholics and have dementia.

Hate on Garrett all you want. While dumb mistakes were an issue this year, the biggest issue this year was the defense.

I've seen quite a few posts slamming the secondary, mostly in the "Carr sucks, Mo sucks, Scandrick sucks" variety. They haven't been preforming well as of late, with the exception being Scandrick. All things cinsidered, Scandrick has been playing pretty well.


To find out why our defense is, um, not too good, let's take examples from some teams with good defenses. How about Seattle, Carolina, and San Francisco.


Let's take a trip down good old memory lane. Ok, 2009.



Since 2009, the Seattle Seahawks have drafted 12 DL players. That's 8 DEs, 4 DTs. They've drafted 5 CBs since then, too.



Since 2009, the Carolina Panthers have drafted 8 DL players. That's 5 DTs, 3 DEs. They've drafted 5 CBs since then, too.



Since 2009, the San Francisco 49ers have drafted 6 DL players. That's 1 DT, 4 DEs. They've drafted 4 CBs since then, too.



Now let's look at us. Since 2009, the Dallas Cowboys have drafted 3 DL players. That's 1 DT (Sean Lissemore), 2 DEs (Brandon Williams, Tyrone Crawford). The Cowboys have drafted 6 CBs.





Let's further extend these numbers.


Since 2009, Seattle has drafted 12 DL players.

1 in the 1st

1 in the 3rd

2 in the 4th

1 in the 5th

7 in the 7th

In that time span, Seattle has not drafted a CB above round 4.


Since 2009, Carolina has drafted 8 DL players.

2 in the 1st

1 in the 2nd

3 in the 3rd

1 in the 4th

1 in the 6th

In that time span, Carolina has not drafted a CB above round 4.



Since 2009, San Francisco has drafted 6 DL players.

1 in the 1st

1 in the 2nd

1 in the 3rd

1 in the 5th

2 in the 7th

In that time span, San Francisco has not drafted a CB above round 3.


Now, let's look at us.

Since 2009, the Dallas Cowboys have drafted 3 DL players.



1 in the 2nd

1 in the 4th

1 in the 7th



In that time span, the Dallas Cowboys have drafted their 6 CBs, including a 1st rounder.

Tell me, is every single CB and Safety we draft a bust, or do we have another problem we won't address?

I would have included Safeties, but then the numbers would have gotten out of hand.

You see, the good defensive teams constantly spend high picks on DL players. And guess what? They have solid, consistent defenses. And it makes their low-round CBs (Sherman was a 4th rounder, etc) look like studs.

Until one man, the General Manager, who influences every move this organization makes figures this out, can you really expect us to have a good defense?

I want to like this twice. There it is. Look at Carolina's DBs. It's just insane.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

It's the biggest issue defensively. The dline is the most important part of the defense. Getting pressure on qb's is the best indicator that your defense will be successful. See the giants 2 Super Bowl runs.

I agree but you could have a good defensive line and be garbage.....see the Giants two years ago for that example. You can't bring up that Seattle defense without bringing up its best two players on defense and its Earl Thomas and Richard Sherman. And with the 49ers its Bowman and Willis and there's no comparison. Aldon Smith is a great young pass rusher but let's don't kid ourselves on who that defense is built around.

 

[StevenOtero]

(note: this thread applies to Safeties as well. I'm just using Cornerbacks as an example)

I'm not going to go on a Jerruh rampage, but he's the biggest problem with this team. I'm taking about the biggest problem with the team that's fixable, and problems that aren't alcoholics and have dementia.

Hate on Garrett all you want. While dumb mistakes were an issue this year, the biggest issue this year was the defense.

I've seen quite a few posts slamming the secondary, mostly in the "Carr sucks, Mo sucks, Scandrick sucks" variety. They haven't been preforming well as of late, with the exception being Scandrick. All things cinsidered, Scandrick has been playing pretty well.


To find out why our defense is, um, not too good, let's take examples from some teams with good defenses. How about Seattle, Carolina, and San Francisco.


Let's take a trip down good old memory lane. Ok, 2009.



Since 2009, the Seattle Seahawks have drafted 12 DL players. That's 8 DEs, 4 DTs. They've drafted 5 CBs since then, too.



Since 2009, the Carolina Panthers have drafted 8 DL players. That's 5 DTs, 3 DEs. They've drafted 5 CBs since then, too.



Since 2009, the San Francisco 49ers have drafted 6 DL players. That's 1 DT, 4 DEs. They've drafted 4 CBs since then, too.



Now let's look at us. Since 2009, the Dallas Cowboys have drafted 3 DL players. That's 1 DT (Sean Lissemore), 2 DEs (Brandon Williams, Tyrone Crawford). The Cowboys have drafted 6 CBs.





Let's further extend these numbers.


Since 2009, Seattle has drafted 12 DL players.

1 in the 1st

1 in the 3rd

2 in the 4th

1 in the 5th

7 in the 7th

In that time span, Seattle has not drafted a CB above round 4.


Since 2009, Carolina has drafted 8 DL players.

2 in the 1st

1 in the 2nd

3 in the 3rd

1 in the 4th

1 in the 6th

In that time span, Carolina has not drafted a CB above round 4.



Since 2009, San Francisco has drafted 6 DL players.

1 in the 1st

1 in the 2nd

1 in the 3rd

1 in the 5th

2 in the 7th

In that time span, San Francisco has not drafted a CB above round 3.


Now, let's look at us.

Since 2009, the Dallas Cowboys have drafted 3 DL players.



1 in the 2nd

1 in the 4th

1 in the 7th



In that time span, the Dallas Cowboys have drafted their 6 CBs, including a 1st rounder.

Tell me, is every single CB and Safety we draft a bust, or do we have another problem we won't address?

I would have included Safeties, but then the numbers would have gotten out of hand.

You see, the good defensive teams constantly spend high picks on DL players. And guess what? They have solid, consistent defenses. And it makes their low-round CBs (Sherman was a 4th rounder, etc) look like studs.

Until one man, the General Manager, who influences every move this organization makes figures this out, can you really expect us to have a good defense?

Why can't we have more members like you?

 

[StevenOtero]

Oh, and for the people that want to send a message to Jerry. Just send him the 1st post of this thread and call it a day.

 

[theSHOW]

(note: this thread applies to Safeties as well. I'm just using Cornerbacks as an example)

I'm not going to go on a Jerruh rampage

I've seen quite a few posts slamming the secondary, mostly in the "Carr sucks, Mo sucks, Scandrick sucks"

Since 2009, the Seattle Seahawks have drafted 12 DL players. That's 8 DEs, 4 DTs. They've drafted 5 CBs since then, too.

I think that jerry is smart enough to make a mental note of this thread once he reads this. Good job, if the facts are correct we won't need to trade a few picks this season for another lottery pick corner.

 

[alsmith]

great post dpla

So your telling me that when the draft was about to take place and we had Rat, Spencer, Ware, Hatcher, Crawford, Kyle Wilber, and Bass for the DL and you would have used a first round pick on another DL with all the needs that was not much more a run stuffer, with all the team needs then... yea right..