The Bottom Line on T New

[RoyTheHammer]

Here's the bottom line on T New.. if you disagree feel free to just ignore.

Now i know already alot of you won't even read this post or give it any consideration, and the reasons you won't are the same reasons that alot of you are defending Terence Newman's play as of recent years. Here me out.

The reason i know alot of you will simply disregard this post or not give it a second of thought are because alot of you are already preconditioned in thinking that i have some strange "anti Newman agenda" that isn't based in rational thought at all. Some of you have some preconditioned picture of me as a poster being just ******** or insane because i haven't been around voicing my opinion as long as some of the others who disagree with me. Some of you know me as "the guy who said even though i think Romo is a good QB i question his leadership" and alot of you took major issue with that and didn't consider me a serious poster after that, etc, etc..

Basically alot of you think you already have it set in your mind what kind of poster i am and what to expect from me, or you see other poster's with a long history here disagreeing with me and immediately think they must be right.


This is the same history that is allowing Newman's play to go uncritisized by alot of people on this board. Some are homers, some will believe what others with a "good posting history" say about him regardless of how accurate it is, and some just simply don't want to take the time to watch him closely enough to form an educated opinion.

The fact is, a player like Alan Ball (who has gone up against our opponents top receivers this year in Burress, Holmes, Santana Moss, Megatron, etc..) can give up 3 short to midyardage receptions in one quarter against San Fran, and regardless if he has played well and given up very little the rest of the season.. people call for him to be cut and say he's trash, etc.

However, Newman can give up "a few" short to midrange completions for a couple seasons straight now.. and people will defend him.

Why? Because people have a preconditioned notion that he is a good CB. Im not saying the basis for that thought is wrong, because he was a top draft pick and has had a few very good seasons for us in the past. However, if you look at his play the past couple seasons, he has fallen way off.

Again, perfect example.. Ball can give up 3 short to midrange completions for first down in the slot against San Fran, yet other than that quarter of play has really given up very little else while playing against good competition.

Newman gives up 6 or 7 short yardage completions in one freaking game against Detroit, along with a TD.. and everyone says that's fine. He's playing well.

Its a double standard, and i know most of you will disregard this entire thing and say im crazy or i don't understand football or blah blah blah.. but the truth is Newman at this point in his career is not playing effective football and should not remain a starter for us beyond this season.

He's still a better option than Ball or Walker at this point.. but the difference between those players isn't nearly as great as some of you want to continue to believe. That's all. Brush past this and continue with the normal football talk now.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I think you've made yourself a good case, rather people agree or not, but I think you'd have done yourself a lot better service with this particular topic, and opinion, if you'd left out all the stuff about why people wouldn't agree with you.

It doesn't matter why they won't agree with you just give your thoughts and be happy with that. It's the best you can do.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I think you've made yourself a good case, rather people agree or not, but I think you'd have done yourself a lot better service with this particular topic, and opinion, if you'd left out all the stuff about why people wouldn't agree with you.

It doesn't matter why they won't agree with you just give your thoughts and be happy with that. It's the best you can do.

Haha.. im not taking it too seriously, just giving out a dose of reality. I understand some won't agree for various reasons, but just wanted some to see that defending Newman and crucifying Ball and others at the same time, isn't justified.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I've never been a big fan of Newman but the fact remains: Dallas does not have anyone better on the roster who can replace him.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I've never been a big fan of Newman but the fact remains: Dallas does not have anyone better on the roster who can replace him.

I agree there isn't anyone better on the roster, however im at the point where i'd be fine with seeing Walker go out there and replace him for the rest of the season because in his limited time here at least he's shown a willingness to stay with his man and try and break up the pass. Newman just lets it come to the receiver then makes the tackle 9 times out of 10.

When the season is over though i'd like to see us go after a solid corner in FA or draft a guy in the high rounds to replace him.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I agree there isn't anyone better on the roster, however im at the point where i'd be fine with seeing Walker go out there and replace him for the rest of the season because in his limited time here at least he's shown a willingness to stay with his man and try and break up the pass. Newman just lets it come to the receiver then makes the tackle 9 times out of 10.

When the season is over though i'd like to see us go after a solid corner in FA or draft a guy in the high rounds to replace him.

I agree. Dallas needs to make CB a priority in FA or the draft. Safety and DL are also priorities but I'd go with CB first.

As for Newman, I just never thought he was committed to being the best. He seems, to me, to be one of those players who just gets by with natural athletic talent and doesn't put in a lot of film work on his opponents.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

In summary,

TNew bad!

Allan Ball good!

Allan Ball > TNew!

Reality (defined) = Stating opinion makes it fact.

Wow! Just WOw! :laugh2:

 

[Frozen700]

Newman is still the best we have..i feel he has about 2 years left of good play....

I'm a newman fan...even though he isn't my number 1 fav anymore (Romo and Miles are)

i still like him....but i feel it's time we get a replacement...because him only having 2 years possibly of good play left, does not make me feel comfortable

Jenkins and O Scan are the future so far

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Are you skipping your medication?

 

[dcowboy4life]

RTH, how do you feel about Scandrick?

 

[Future]

The problem with your logic is that newman is constantly covering the other team's best WRs. Ball gets beat by JAGS

 

[Idgit]

RtH, the bottom line is I don't think many trust you to bottom-line anything related to CB play. It's pretty clear from multiple threads that you're just guessing and then trying to be difficult.

Ball's been a pretty good nickle/dime back for us this year. I think most people recognize that. He was targeted and gave up three first down conversions in the first have against SF, but that's hardly the end of the world.

He's not in Newman's class as a player, either. Whether you choose to believe it, or not. Newman's a pretty good CB, who's been playing well the last two weeks. Your 'analysis' of his play in Detroit is way off and, honestly, not worth continuing to debate.

That said, I'd say that Jenkins, actually, has probably been our best CB so far this year. This position group has been pretty good for us, because we've shored up a S position that was a serious hole last year, and we've been getting a lot more pressure. Teams are having to get rid of the ball more quickly, and everybody in the secondary has benefited.

In any event, I don't know that anybody in particular has preconceived positive notions about Terrence Newman at this point. He was probably the lead candidate for Team Whipping Boy this offseason once it became clear that Barber, RW, and Igor were going to be released. I think most people just recognize that he's a good player when he's healthy. And they don't expect him to be able to out-jump Calvin Johnson on a goal-line jump ball.

 

[Dallas]

IRtH, the bottom line is I don't think many trust you to bottom-line anything related to CB play.

That is all you had to post, Idg.

 

[Direwolf63]

I think we can all agree that, while he may still be effective, Newmans best days are behind him.

He no longer plays to the level of his contract and will in all likelihood be released after the year. That leaves Jenkins and Scandrick as starters with CB a high priority in next years draft.

In my view, that's pretty much it.

 

[JD_KaPow]

The reason many people will ignore you is that you titled your post, "The Bottom Line ..." instead of labelling it what it is: your personal opinion, blissfully unburdened by proof or data. Plus, beyond telling us that your opinion is "the bottom line" on the matter, you spend paragraphs listing all the stupid reasons why we won't agree with you. And then you spend paragraphs setting up straw men you can knock down.

If you want to be listened to, make an actual argument - do some research, support your claims, and don't insult your readers. There's a good argument to be made that Newman has declined. Of course, there's also an argument to be made that he hasn't been put in the best position to succeed:

 

[Dallas]

I think we can all agree that, while he may still be effective, Newmans best days are behind him.

He no longer plays to the level of his contract and will in all likelihood be released after the year. That leaves Jenkins and Scandrick as starters with CB a high priority in next years draft.

In my view, that's pretty much it.

That is obvious. I would like to ask any Newman defender to step up and say otherwise.

 

[TheCount]

Newman's contract and the fact that we resigned Scandrick to the deal with did is a pretty good sign he's not long for this team. The transformation we saw on the offensive side may very well take place on the defense next year.

As i see it, Keith Brooking, Bradie James and Newman, are three that will not return next year.

 

[Direwolf63]

That is obvious. I would like to ask any Newman defender to step up and say otherwise.

Well like I said, I wanted to state points everybody could agree on.

IMO, all other arguments are pointless. Hopefully Newman can be a positive contributor to the end of the year. Then we'll bid him farewell and move on.

 

[Frozen700]

That is obvious. I would like to ask any Newman defender to step up and say otherwise.

The fact is..Newman is the best cover guy we have..bottom line..defend that

 

[RoyTheHammer]

The problem with your logic is that newman is constantly covering the other team's best WRs. Ball gets beat by JAGS

False. Newman covers the other team's best WR when they line up across from him. Dallas doesn't employ the strategy of having Newman or any other corner follow a guy across the field. Newman is always on the left, Jenkins is always on the right, except for a few times on 3rd down when they move Newman to the slot.

Also, Ball, aside from one quarter against the Niners that i mentioned, hasn't been beat much at all. He went against Burress and Holmes the first game, Santana Moss for the majority of the game against the Skins, and split time covering CJ against the Lions.