The 'Boys defense: How will it look after the bye?

[GimmeTheBall!]

How will the defense change after the bye?

How will the scheme change with the additions of Tank and a healthier Newman and Henry and Hamlin contributing more?

Will Wade make a renewed effort to get his defense to make more of a push up the middle into the QB?

Overall, how do you think the offense will be different from now on, if at all?

Will the rest of the season be a make or break period for Watkins?
And what to make of those two guys Spears and Canty? Would the rest of the season also be a make-or-break one for them?

 

[baj1dallas]

How will the defense change after the bye?

How will the scheme change with the additions of Tank and a healthier Newman and Henry and Hamlin contributing more?

Will Wade make a renewed effort to get his defense to make more of a push up the middle into the QB?

Overall, how do you think the offense will be different from now on, if at all?

Will the rest of the season be a make or break period for Watkins?
And what to make of those two guys Spears and Canty? Would the rest of the season also be a make-or-break one for them?

Tank won't be in til the Giants game. Henry should definitely help even if he just plays in the nickel. I think Tank once he gets back into game shape should get a little bit of pressure in limited time but he might suck his first few games. I think Canty and Spears will be in the league but there's time to make themselves some money if they care enough.

 

[Nors]

Ellis is two weeks fresher, We get Henry back

I like where our defense is at - a lot

 

[ScipioCowboy]

The secondary must catch up with the front seven. Statistically, the Cowboys can boast the best defense in the NFC. They stop the run well and pressure the quarterback. However, even with all these gawdy stats, the Cowboys are still surrendering a very porous 22 points a game. Sacks and yardage totals mean very little if a team cannot stop its opponents from scoring. I place most of the blame on a leaky secondary.

 

[Kevinicus]

The secondary must catch up with the front seven. Statistically, the Cowboys can boast the best defense in the NFC. They stop the run well and pressure the quarterback. However, even with all these gawdy stats, the Cowboys are still surrendering a very porous 22 points a game. Sacks and yardage totals mean very little if a team cannot stop its opponents from scoring. I place most of the blame on a leaky secondary.

The scoring average is poor because of special teams and the offense. They've given up 35 pts, that's 5 pts a game on avg. The defense only gives up 17 a game, a solid #. And that's including the 35 and 48 against NY and NE. In the other games they've given up 20 (7 on a fluke play), 10, 0, 3, 7, which is 40 pts over 5 games, or 8 per game.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

The secondary must catch up with the front seven. Statistically, the Cowboys can boast the best defense in the NFC. They stop the run well and pressure the quarterback. However, even with all these gawdy stats, the Cowboys are still surrendering a very porous 22 points a game. Sacks and yardage totals mean very little if a team cannot stop its opponents from scoring. I place most of the blame on a leaky secondary.

does this consider that the special teams have allowed scores and the offense has turned the ball over that led to TDs?

 

[ScipioCowboy]

does this consider that the special teams have allowed scores and the offense has turned the ball over that led to TDs?

Your point is valid one, but turnovers and special teams scores are a reality for every team.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

The scoring average is poor because of special teams and the offense. They've given up 35 pts, that's 5 pts a game on avg. The defense only gives up 17 a game, a solid #. And that's including the 35 and 48 against NY and NE. In the other games they've given up 20 (7 on a fluke play), 10, 0, 3, 7, which is 40 pts over 5 games, or 8 per game.

So let's apply this logic for every team. If we subtract special teams scores, turnovers, and fluke plays from each team's scoring defense statistic, what are the revised totals?

As I said earlier, your point is certainly valid one, but every team must deal with turnovers, fluke plays, and special teams scores.

 

[Kevinicus]

So let's apply this logic for every team. If we subtract special teams scores, turnovers, and fluke plays from each team's scoring defense statistic, what are the revised totals?

As I said earlier, your point is certainly valid one, but every team must deal with turnovers, fluke plays, and special teams scores.

Well most teams probably haven't given up 5 TD's on special teams/offense. So I imagine the impact for the Cowboys would be larger than for most teams. And if you're going to talk about the defense, then you can't attribute those points to them since they had nothing to do with them. They had a 3 game stretch where they only allowed 13 pts total. You have to look at what actually happened, not just stats.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

The scoring average is poor because of special teams and the offense. They've given up 35 pts, that's 5 pts a game on avg. The defense only gives up 17 a game, a solid #. And that's including the 35 and 48 against NY and NE. In the other games they've given up 20 (7 on a fluke play), 10, 0, 3, 7, which is 40 pts over 5 games, or 8 per game.

You need to run the stats separately to be close to telling us where this defense is.

You cant mix those REAL BAD teams in with the 35pts allowed and 48pts allowed by the Giants and Pats. We gave up 4 TD and 3 FG's to Giants. We gave up 6 TD's and 2 FG's to Pats.
By that count... we give up an average of 5 TD's per game against good teams and 2+ FG's. Take out one or two TD's from Pats because of running the score... and you could still make an argument that we give up 4 TD's per game against the good teams.

Against good team we are undoubtedly giving up much more than 17 points.

 

[BigDFan5]

Your point is valid one, but turnovers and special teams scores are a reality for every team.

They are a reality for every team, but they also do not make the defense any worse since the defense was not on the field for any of those 5 touchdowns.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Well most teams probably haven't given up 5 TD's on special teams/offense. So I imagine the impact for the Cowboys would be larger than for most teams. And if you're going to talk about the defense, then you can't attribute those points to them since they had nothing to do with them. They had a 3 game stretch where they only allowed 13 pts total. You have to look at what actually happened, not just stats.

And when we look beyond the stats, we find that Dallas' defense was absolutely eviscerated by the two best offenses it faced largely because the secondary was so porous, not because of turnovers and special scores.

Hopefully, the return of Henry and Newman will remedy those problems.

 

[BigDFan5]

And when we look beyond the stats, we find that Dallas' defense was absolutely eviscerated by the two best offenses it faced largely because the secondary was so porous, not because of turnovers and special scores.

Hopefully, the return of Henry and Newman will remedy those problems.

First game in a brand new system without our best CB who is a top 5 CB in the NFL throw it out


Against the Pats they kill everyone, and again we were missing a starting CB, If nate Jones is the nickel CB the secondary will continue to look poor

 

[ScipioCowboy]

They are a reality for every team, but they also do not make the defense any worse since the defense was not on the field for any of those 5 touchdowns.

Again, it's a fine point. But turnovers and special teams scores factor into the scoring defense of each team, not just the Cowboys.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

First game in a brand new system without our best CB who is a top 5 CB in the NFL throw it out


Against the Pats they kill everyone, and again we were missing a starting CB, If nate Jones is the nickel CB the secondary will continue to look poor

Hopefully, you're right.

I'm only pointing out that Dallas surrenders far too many points and that the secondary has been very porous at times. I've offered no explanations as to the reason behind those problems.

 

[BigDFan5]

Again, it's a fine point. But turnovers and special teams scores factor into the scoring defense of each team, not just the Cowboys.

I know how it facctors in, the point is no matter which team it is INT, Fumble, and kick returns for TDs have nothing to do with the defense.


If you play a game where the defense allows 3 points, yet there is a kick return , and 2 INT returns for TDs meaning 24 points. does that mean the defense had a bad game?

 

[BigDFan5]

Hopefully, you're right.

I'm only pointing out that Dallas surrenders far too many points and that the secondary has been very porous at times. I've offered no explanations as to the reason behind those problems.

I agree we have given up to many points in those 2 games, not having your starters playing is a major contributing factor for that. Nate Jones cant carry Newmans jock

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

First game in a brand new system without our best CB who is a top 5 CB in the NFL throw it out

Absolutely not.

Until we show that we can defend the deep pass or BIG play(the missing players is not the only reason) Newman played last year and we still got beat deep.

Nothing gets thrown out.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I am hoping for Ware and Spencer and Tank to each push one another and create a monster attack at the line and at the QB.
It would be so sweet if canty and spears awoke from their slumber, too, and took some of the pressue from the secondary.

 

[AdamJT13]

But turnovers and special teams scores factor into the scoring defense of each team, not just the Cowboys.

We've allowed the most touchdowns on turnovers and special teams (five). Nobody else has allowed more than three. We're 20th in total points allowed per game, but if you consider only the points scored against every team's defense, we're tied for 13th. That's not bad considering we've played the Patriots already. (Only one other team in the top 15 has had to play the Patriots already. The Skins were right near the top of the league before playing New England -- now they're in 16th.)

And when we look beyond the stats, we find that Dallas' defense was absolutely eviscerated by the two best offenses it faced largely because the secondary was so porous, not because of turnovers and special scores.

The Giants scored 10 points off two turnovers that gave them the ball inside our 26.