The break show said exactly what I've been saying

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Remember when it was all about the players just not executing until we got rid of Mike Nolan and Quinn came in and now the defense looks completely different?

Kellen Moore is intelligent but he simply doesn't have the experience. He should have been coming up some coaching tree and learning the game, but Jerry wants to put him on the fast track and claim credit for discovering Boy Genius and we have to suffer. Get some guy with experience in here. If Dak still sucks, then he'll be on his way out in a couple of years.
 

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I dont need a QB guru, if Dak is here and he probably is, then you can not roll out that scheme...you also can not rely on Zeke. Yes Dak is not going to carry your offense in consecutive playoff games, i think thats been proven, but why the hell are we still calling the offense to make him?
 

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If we fire Moore who replaces him? Everyone in the damn league is looking for an OC right now. Ton of openings. I'm thinking Moore stays because he has been the OC for two 12 win teams back to back. The only way he leaves is to take a head coaching gig somewhere unless Jerry decided to cut him loose.

You think Jerry is going to allow him to make a decision ???

You think Jerry is going to allow him to make a decision ??? I know better than that, chief. And that's the problem.
 

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Kellen Moore needs to go! You can't get rid of Dak so quit dreaming! But you can get rid of Kellen Moore! Moore has been here far too long. Give Dak another voice and guru and see what happens. Look what happened to the defense when Quinn came in. All Bozo Jones has to do is get rid of Moore and see what happens. Dak still sucks? What have you lost? But if another guy come in and turn Dak into the quarterback we all want then we will be saying "why didn't they do this years ago"? Easy fix here guys if it works. It doesn't? Again? What have we lost. I always have said I'd like to see Dak under a new OC and see what happens. But Dufus Jones will never see the light and we'll be here once again. Get rid of Moore then we know for sure Dak sucks. Versus letting Dak go-which isn't going to happen" And finding out if it's Dak or Moore!

I agree that Moore needs to go. It won't fix Dak though. Dak's a choke artist. He proved that two years in a row now. If he played ANY better last night, the Cowboys win even with Moore's terrible gameplanning....but why do they stick to Garrett's playbook? There's a hint as to why. It was McCarthy's hiring that is the hint. he was told Moore remains OC because that's what Dak was familiar with. Dak is the reason for this playbook. HE doesn't want to change or is unable to learn a better one.

So while Moore does need to go, we're going nowhere with Dak as QB. In the regular season we'll be okay mostly, but in the playoffs? Heimlich maneuver time.

Dak hasn't been the same since his ankle break.
 
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I dont need a QB guru, if Dak is here and he probably is, then you can not roll out that scheme...you also can not rely on Zeke. Yes Dak is not going to carry your offense in consecutive playoff games, i think thats been proven, but why the hell are we still calling the offense to make him?
I remember a coach that was heavy on the run and used Dak lightly in the passing but we ran him out of town, wasn't inventive or exciting enough. Too bad they didn't have a defense back then...
 

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Dak doesn't want to learn a new offense b/c he knows it will expose him even further. He's Kellen's biggest champion for that very reason.
Dak isn’t capable of learning a new offense.
 

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Wow! You seem really smart.

What should KM have done differently on that first half int that Dak threw right into the defenses hands?

Or what about the deep pass to a wide open Michael Gallup that would have given us the lead? How could KM have fixed that?

Apparently anybody can play QB in the NFL. You just need the right coordinator to work around your inability to read defenses and throw accurately.
I agree mostly, but I have a question for you. How on earth does a QB make it to almost 8 years in the league without the inability to read defenses? Just curious.
 

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I agree mostly, but I have a question for you. How on earth does a QB make it to almost 8 years in the league without the inability to read defenses? Just curious.
I think it's a recessive trait. He can read it one time and then can't read the same defense 10 or 20 plays later. Like a loose wing nut in the brain, that gets looser whenever he perceives pressure that may or may not exist.

PS. Just watched a former QB say the offense is very predictable. That means either Kellen is way to predictable or Dak can't absorb or run a more complicated series of plays.
 

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Jerry won't even admit his mistake on Zeke. No way he even thinks about moving on from Dak over the next 2 years, and probably restructures. Moore needs to, but it won't matter.
 

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If we fire Moore who replaces him? Everyone in the damn league is looking for an OC right now. Ton of openings. I'm thinking Moore stays because he has been the OC for two 12 win teams back to back. The only way he leaves is to take a head coaching gig somewhere unless Jerry decided to cut him loose.
My wish would be Frank Reich
 

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I think Moore is a big problem.. and that is not just the Dak issue. My biggest dislike of Moore is that he can't scheme a run game to save himself. Our run game has relied on the individual brilliance of guys like Pollard and Zeke and Martin.. not scheme.

It is DUMB play calling to keep trying to push Zeke to the outside.. the whole world could see he was too slow to get to the edge. It is almost like Moore wanted the run game to fail to justify his pass happy orgy.

So then lets look at the pass game.. lots of yards, lots of lovely pretty stats.. but fell apart time and time again against good defence. Is that all on Dak? Not exactly.. and I am not a Dak fan. The biggest reason why there was a coaching issue is that Moore never saw Dak for what he was.. and that means he is a bad coach. He didn't coach around the very obvious and glaring weaknesses of Dak.. he just kept trying to 'send them in' and hence the high pick numbers. Of Dak 17 interceptions (whoa that is unbelievable) there were about 8 of them that are near identical. SO WHY were we still sending in that stinking play?? How many times do you watch a DB jump the quick WR curl before you stop calling for it???

Also.. the 2nd and 2 play.. THE play.. sending in a pass there.. that is why Moore needs to go. Just a stupid call. On every level.

Personally I don't think Dak actually gets better with a new OC.. but that doesn't mean you shouldn't move on from Moore.
 

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It's odd with Moore his offenses are usually highly ranked, but in critical moments he picks the worst times to roll out strange plays that make no sense.
 

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I think it's a recessive trait. He can read it one time and then can't read the same defense 10 or 20 plays later. Like a loose wing nut in the brain, that gets looser whenever he perceives pressure that may or may not exist.

PS. Just watched a former QB say the offense is very predictable. That means either Kellen is way to predictable or Dak can't absorb or run a more complicated series of plays.
I'm still wondering how he makes it 7 years without reading defense. You would think he'd be out in year 2.
 

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Kellen Moore needs to go! You can't get rid of Dak so quit dreaming! But you can get rid of Kellen Moore! Moore has been here far too long. Give Dak another voice and guru and see what happens. Look what happened to the defense when Quinn came in. All Bozo Jones has to do is get rid of Moore and see what happens. Dak still sucks? What have you lost? But if another guy come in and turn Dak into the quarterback we all want then we will be saying "why didn't they do this years ago"? Easy fix here guys if it works. It doesn't? Again? What have we lost. I always have said I'd like to see Dak under a new OC and see what happens. But Dufus Jones will never see the light and we'll be here once again. Get rid of Moore then we know for sure Dak sucks. Versus letting Dak go-which isn't going to happen" And finding out if it's Dak or Moore!
So it turns out after all this time its Dak who is the coach killer. Very interesting way everyone is avoiding saying just that.
 

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Kellen Moore needs to go! You can't get rid of Dak so quit dreaming! But you can get rid of Kellen Moore! Moore has been here far too long. Give Dak another voice and guru and see what happens. Look what happened to the defense when Quinn came in. All Bozo Jones has to do is get rid of Moore and see what happens. Dak still sucks? What have you lost? But if another guy come in and turn Dak into the quarterback we all want then we will be saying "why didn't they do this years ago"? Easy fix here guys if it works. It doesn't? Again? What have we lost. I always have said I'd like to see Dak under a new OC and see what happens. But Dufus Jones will never see the light and we'll be here once again. Get rid of Moore then we know for sure Dak sucks. Versus letting Dak go-which isn't going to happen" And finding out if it's Dak or Moore!
I agree. Dak is here to stay because of that awful contract. The only option you have now is to bring in someone you hope will take Dak to the next level. He has been in the same system his whole career and he has clearly peaked within that system/coaching.

There would be no point in bringing back the same offensive coaches next year. It's not going to change unless you get some different voices/minds in the building. If it fails after that, then Dak has to go. But you are stuck with him at this point in time.

What I don't want is another internal promotion to fill the offensive coordinator and QB coach positions. Clearly the guy Dak needs is not currently in the building.
 
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