The CeeDee nose wipe celebration is now a 15 yard penalty

[Blackrain]

Doesn’t really impact me one way or the other but I understand the NFL wanting to protect their brand. Rap is not a small counterculture and it’s used a lot in the music. And if it’s used to represent ending someone, I get it. It’s the NFL’s call and it raises my stress level 0% either way.

I agree and that it doesn't raise my stress level but I do believe that the community that seriously watches the NFL is not that in tune with the gang and rap counterculture and I still believe in the big scheme of things it is a small counterculture compared to the amount of people that follow the NFL
Just my feeling but I don't feel their signs symbols or anything involving gangs or rap groups that support that type of counterculture should even be given any recognition it just helps validate that they're negative atmosphere exist

 

[Blackrain]

It has zero to do with drugs. Good lord some of yall should just stop.

In the big picture it has zero to do with anything.

The population of the United States is 340 million people.

The amount of people watching NFL games is between 17 and 20 million.

Gang membership in the United States is around a million.

Why would anybody care or give recognition to a tiny subculture and its symbols of expression that represents less than half a percent of the population of this country.
They are nothing they mean nothing. The music that represents them means nothing and they shouldn't be recognized in any way shape or form by the NFL or anyone else

 

[triplets_93]

"Any action that is sexual in nature..."

So that should mean no cheerleader or half time performers twerking.

Although I have seen some Dak warmup moves that appear to be sexual in nature.

At this rate, Elvis the Pelvis would not be able to being his act to the NFL.

Which is okay with me. I can live without pelvic thrusts, as long as it applies to players and to all performers, regardless of the genre.

 

[triplets_93]

I think if you're a Cowboy you should be allowed to draw.

I remember the Texas Tech Raiders having a "guns up" thing they do in Lubbock.

 

[GMO415]

If DAL does anything then it's outlawed the following year.

 

[Richmond Cowboy]

Dirty Sanchez?

 

[big dog cowboy]

If DAL does anything then it's outlawed the following year.

 

[Blackrain]

That would be great but the ladder that Zeke would need to get into the kettle would be considered a prop and that would probably be a penalty.

 

[Spottswoode]

I agree and that it doesn't raise my stress level but I do believe that the community that seriously watches the NFL is not that in tune with the gang and rap counterculture and I still believe in the big scheme of things it is a small counterculture compared to the amount of people that follow the NFL
Just my feeling but I don't feel their signs symbols or anything involving gangs or rap groups that support that type of counterculture should even be given any recognition it just helps validate that they're negative atmosphere exist

The problem with ignoring it is that it represents tacit acceptance. Raising 5 boys who were athletes, I’ve seen about everything on the field, good and bad. And if you know something is used in a derogatory manner and actually represents a violent act against another person, why wouldn’t you want to get rid of it. A crotch chop or grabbing your crotch is tame in comparison and those are illegal and will likely get you fined.

The reality is kids mimic their player hero’s and many of these players are just grown kids with a bankroll. There needs to be boundaries on what is acceptable. It doesn’t matter if everyone doesn’t know what it means. The NFL didn’t know what it meant either but once they learned, they had a responsibility to consider the optics, especially if it has roots in gang culture. They chose a ban and personally, I think it was a good decision.

My kids are in college and I have done my job of instilling values but I do worry about my kids kids. One thing I have learned raising 5 boys is they are WAY more aware of social trends than I ever will be and only 1 of them was unaware of the meaning. Sportsmanship and decency to me still matters. I think fun should be encouraged in all sports and I am a fan of celebrations. But there is a reason our society is in trouble and IMO, this is just one tiny example of how someone needs to be the adult.

Now I’m off to watch my Girls Gone Wild Videos.

 

[Blackrain]

The problem with ignoring it is that it represents tacit acceptance. Raising 5 boys who were athletes, I’ve seen about everything on the field, good and bad. And if you know something is used in a derogatory manner and actually represents a violent act against another person, why wouldn’t you want to get rid of it. A crotch chop or grabbing your crotch is tame in comparison and those are illegal and will likely get you fined.

The reality is kids mimic their player hero’s and many of these players are just grown kids with a bankroll. There needs to be boundaries on what is acceptable. It doesn’t matter if everyone doesn’t know what it means. The NFL didn’t know what it meant either but once they learned, they had a responsibility to consider the optics, especially if it has roots in gang culture. They chose a ban and personally, I think it was a good decision.

My kids are in college and I have done my job of instilling values but I do worry about my kids kids. One thing I have learned raising 5 boys is they are WAY more aware of social trends than I ever will be and only 1 of them was unaware of the meaning. Sportsmanship and decency to me still matters. I think fun should be encouraged in all sports and I am a fan of celebrations. But there is a reason our society is in trouble and IMO, this is just one tiny example of how someone needs to be the adult.

Now I’m off to watch my Girls Gone Wild Videos.

That was a great post and I give you credit for raising five boys you are probably much more aware of social trends than most casual football viewers.

That said I guess I was giving CD lamb the benefit of the doubt that he was not aware he was making some violent gangland gesture.

If he was aware of this it really makes me wonder if he is involved with gangs and their symbols and rituals.

Why would a player with his talent and potential bring something so socially negative to the NFL playing field.

I would think that type of behavior would be completely detrimental to him getting any endorsements therefore severely restricting his earning potential.

From what you said about your sons all-knowing what it meant hard to believe he was so naive that he didn't know.

Well we have seen good players do really stupid things before this wouldn't be the first time.

I would like to think as a member of the Dallas Cowboys it was just a gesture he made up and not something he took from being involved in a gang but I'm probably wrong in giving him the benefit of the doubt