The Chargers have hired Doug Nussmeier as QB coach, per source

[cowboys5xsbs]

 

[cowboys5xsbs]

Justin Herbert is about to go the Dak route

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

Justin Herbert is about to go the Dak route

Considering he has Kellen Moore as an OC and now Nussmeier?

 

[StarOfGlory]

Justin Herbert is about to go the Dak route

Great regular season stats and playoff failure? He already does that.

 

[khiladi]

These Dak-stans takes on Herbert are comical... They love to demonstrate how much they are Socrates of QB play with them... Dak was elevated by his coaches, so Herbert going the Dak route with Moore would mean he'd be coser to maximizing Herbert's potential which FAR EXCEEDS Dak, it's not even disputable and you would literally be put in an asylum if you claimed otherwise

Herbert literally should have been in the playoffs two years ago in his first year in the joke of an OC Lombardi's offense, but his coach made the most bizarre decision in coaching history instead of playing the lock for the tie, which they had. It was almost like the NFL told Staley to do it. Herbert basically converted I think it was 6 of 7 first downs, including multiple on 4th to tie the game and put it into overtime. It was arguably one of the greatest drives by a QB in history, the type of throws he was making.

Dak stans out here acting like these young QBs have been played and coddled for 7 years like Dak has been... 2018 Dak was settng QC franchise levels of futility in year 3 and in year 2, was a walking pick 6 like this year and was complete trash when Zeke was suspended for 6 games, while these young QBs are getting the weight of the franchise thrown on their shoulders. It was in Moore's first year that his fanboys started proclaiming it was HIS offense now and no longer Zeke's... love how that worked out..

 

[phildadon86]

These Dak-stans takes on Herbert are comical... They love to demonstrate how much they are Socrates of QB play with them... Dak was elevated by his coaches, so Herbert going the Dak route with Moore would mean he'd be maximizing Herbert's potential which FAR EXCEEDS Dak, it's not even disputable and you would literally be put in an asylum if you claimed otherwise

Herbert literally should have been in the playoffs two years ago in his first year in the joke of an OC Lombardi's offense, but his coach made the most bizarre decision in coaching history instead of playing the lock for the tie, which they had. It was almost like the NFL told Staley to do it. Herbert basically converted I think it was 6 of 7 first downs, including multiple on 4th to tie the game and put it into overtime. It was arguably one of the greatest drives by a QB in history, the time of throws he was making.

I love Herbert. But had Dak came out with a 27 point lead at half and lost the game. You would be blaming him. Not anyone else. So enough with the double standard already.

 

[khiladi]

BTW, Moore led the league in the second-half scoring, and was basically top 5 since he took over, while San DIego with Lombardi was basically either 28 or dead last and they were second to last in designed run plays. Dak-fans have zero clue about play calling.

The problem of second-half scoring and Lombardi SITTING ON LEADS and NOT having any ability to adjust his play calling was A YEAR LONG PROBLEM that completely manifested itself against Jacksonville. Anybody that watched the game saw it and he was called out for it. Absolutely nodoby attributed it to Herbert, because it wasn't Herbert.

 

[phildadon86]

BTW, Moore led the league in the second-half scoring, and was basically top 5 since he took over, while San DIego with Lombardi was basically either 28 or dead last and they were second to last in designed run plays. Dak-fans have zero clue about play calling.

Interesting you bring that up.

What are Kellen Moore's offensive rankings without Dak at QB?

Hint. 28 to dead last.

 

[khiladi]

I love Herbert. But had Dak came out with a 27 point lead at half and lost the game. You would be blaming him. Not anyone else. So enough with the double standard already.

No, Lombardi is actually like Garrett, not Moore. If Dak played for Lombardi, the Chargers wouldn't win 3 games.

 

[khiladi]

Interesting you bring that up.

What are Kellen Moore's offensive rankings without Dak at QB?

Hint. 28 to dead last.

You mean 5 games when Moore was calling a conservative game plan and built leads and sat on them with this defense? Dude, stop defending your boy, its embarassing. You finally started making progress but decided to try and redeem your multiple year defense of his garabe play. This was Dak's offense tailored to him for 7 years.

 

[john van brocklin]

Moore connection, I am sure...

 

[khiladi]

Moore is the complete opposite of Lombardi, who never ran the ball without his two top WRs on the field together and a battered OL and Herbert playing with a rib injury and torn labrum. Anybody that watched the Chargers knew this.

 

[phildadon86]

No, Lombardi is actually like Garrett, not Moore. If Dak played for Lombardi, the Chargers wouldn't win 3 games.

So you are blaming the OC of the team that had a 27 point lead at halftime?

Yeah I am done with this conversation. You can be critical of Dak but glorify any other QB who doesnt play for this team. Its incredible.

If that was Dak. You would be sitting here saying "he put up no points in the second half"

So just stop. Your agenda is showing. Be critical of QB play. Not when it suits an argument. But when its called for.

 

[khiladi]

So you are blaming the OC of the team that had a 27 point lead at halftime?

Yeah I am done with this conversation. You can be critical of Dak but glorify any other QB who doesnt play for this team. Its incredible.

If that was Dak. You would be sitting here saying "he put up no points in the second half"

So just stop. Your agenda is showing. Be critical of QB play. Not when it suits an argument. But when its called for.

Yes, I am blaming the OC, like I was blaming Jason Garrett when he was actually calling the plays despite it being a top 5 yardage offense with Romo and Romo was notching up meaningless statistical yardage, the history of this forum attests to it. You have no clue about what went on in LA as is amply reflected in your post. We are discussing OCs and coaches here and Lombardi's only experience before Herbert was 1 full year with the dysfunctional Lions and they completely sucked. Moore on the other hand was doing wonders with the joke at QB, but Dak stans love to make excuses for their QB while having no clue how Moore was relative to other OCs in the league.

You Dak defenders are simply looking to get brownie points for defending your abymal QB for 7 years plus.

 

[Ken]

These Dak-stans takes on Herbert are comical... They love to demonstrate how much they are Socrates of QB play with them... Dak was elevated by his coaches, so Herbert going the Dak route with Moore would mean he'd be coser to maximizing Herbert's potential which FAR EXCEEDS Dak, it's not even disputable and you would literally be put in an asylum if you claimed otherwise

Herbert literally should have been in the playoffs two years ago in his first year in the joke of an OC Lombardi's offense, but his coach made the most bizarre decision in coaching history instead of playing the lock for the tie, which they had. It was almost like the NFL told Staley to do it. Herbert basically converted I think it was 6 of 7 first downs, including multiple on 4th to tie the game and put it into overtime. It was arguably one of the greatest drives by a QB in history, the type of throws he was making.

Dak stans out here acting like these young QBs have been played and coddled for 7 years like Dak has been... 2018 Dak was settng QC franchise levels of futility in year 3 and in year 2, was a walking pick 6 like this year and was complete trash when Zeke was suspended for 6 games, while these young QBs are getting the weight of the franchise thrown on their shoulders. It was in Moore's first year that his fanboys started proclaiming it was HIS offense now and no longer Zeke's... love how that worked out..

Cool story bro.

Anything less than #1 offense with Kellen and Grandma Nussmeir is a failure.

Good luck.

 

[khiladi]

Cool story bro.

Anything less than #1 offense with Kellen and Grandma Nussmeir is a failure.

Good luck.

Ah yes, coming from the guy that said the team was doomed after the first Tampa game, because they didn't surround Dak with the pieces and than started making all sorts of excuses when they were 4-1 with Rush. Man ran into the Moore OC excuse as hard as he could after the season was over to absolve Dak.

How many points we counting for Daks pick 6s and defensive TDs that are counted for Dak, to glorify your legendary QB...

 

[Ken]

Ah yes, coming from the guy that said the team was doomed after the first Tampa game, because they didn't surround Dak with the pieces and than started makign all sorts of excuses when they were 4-1 with Rush

UH...never said it was because they didn't surround Dak with Pieces...i said because we lost dak for an undetermined amount of time which seemed like it was 2 months.

Given that we had backup qbs who were all released and resigned just a week earlier...it was a valid concern.

Retrospectively...ya....running out there with a PS player starting as a #2 wr, a rookie LT and first time nfl playing LG wasn't the best approach to week 1 either.

 

[phildadon86]

Yes, I am blaming the OC, like I was blaming Jason Garrett when he was actually calling the plays despite it being a top 5 yardage offense with Romo and Romo was notching up meaningless statistical yardage, the history of this forum attests to it. You have no clue about what went on in LA as is amply reflected in your post. We are discussing OCs and coaches here and Lombardi's only experience before Herbert was 1 full year with the dysfunctional Lions and they completely sucked. Moore on the other hand was doing wonders with the joke at QB, but Dak stans love to make excuses for their QB while having no clue how Moore was relative to other OCs in the league.

You Dak defenders are simply looking to get brownie points for defending your abymal QB for 7 years plus.

So. You must know more than Kurt Warner, and countless other ex professionals who have blatantly called out Moore's offense?

Cool story bro.

And who is defending Dak? LOL. I simply stated that you are blaming an OC for the team losing a game in which they put up 30 plus points in the first half. If that was a Dak led team. You would be blaming the QB. But you cant so you blame the OC. Similar to what you are accusing others of doing. Its actually funny to watch. I know you are upset about Romo. Its ok buddy. Hes gone and he isnt coming back.

 

[khiladi]

UH...never said it was because they didn't surround Dak with Pieces...i said because we lost dak for an undetermined amount of time which seemed like it was 2 months.

Given that we had backup qbs who were all released and resigned just a week earlier...it was a valid concern.

Retrospectively...ya....running out there with a PS player starting as a #2 wr, a rookie LT and first time nfl playing LG wasn't the best approach to week 1 either.

No, you said it was the FO fault and the season was over period and had zero to do with the issue of back-ups at that point. And now you are back at it, like you were when I brought it up a few weeks back, trying to weasel out of what you clearly said.

 

[khiladi]

So. You must know more than Kurt Warner, and countless other ex professionals who have blatantly called out Moore's offense?

Cool story bro.

And who is defending Dak? LOL. I simply stated that you are blaming an OC for the team losing a game in which they put up 30 plus points in the first half. If that was a Dak led team. You would be blaming the QB. But you cant so you blame the OC. Similar to what you are accusing others of doing. Its actually funny to watch. I know you are upset about Romo. Its ok buddy. Hes gone and he isnt coming back.

LOL.. Warner called out Dak more than he ever called out Moore, just like Carr called out Dak more than he ever called out Moore. Facts are you guys defended Dak zealously for 7 years and you guys, even when you admit is not the one, are having a hard time digesting the act you were flat out wrong.