The combine is horrible IMO

[playmakers]

For starters, I never seen a player play in the league without a helmet and pads but yet these players run polar opposite with basically no clothes on. As if these guys were training for the US Olympic track team.

Point being

Make them run the 40 in pads. Micheal Irvin is a prime example of why this should be done. He was a 4.6 in pads and out of pads. Not many players can say they can do this. A guy like Desean Jackson who ran a 4.35 I beileve would probably run 4.5 in pads. There are many genius's in the NFL and why this is never brought up I dont know.

The high jump is useless imo. When's the last time the vertical jump helped a running back. All the players are good athletes here and just because someone can leap an half inch higher does that really translate to dominace on gameday? I would say no.

Weights: This really should be for lineman. You dont really want your skill guys having eccentric muscles. Do you really think that Felix Jones by only lifting 8 reps at 225 pounds is going to make or break his career in the NFL? I say no. Now, there will be a story of an OT couldnt lift 225.

Other than that I love watching this stuff. I even DVR it so I wouldnt miss anything important. What do you guys think. Putting all the players in pads for almost all drills would simulate more of a live game scenarios for the combine players. I think it would help all teams in the NFL. opinions

 

[Spectre]

I catch your drift but I think it's all relative.
As a general rule of thumb, the faster players w/o pads are usually the faster players w/ pads.

When's the last time the vertical jump helped a running back.

Um. Goalline? Every week. I agree they are all athletes and exact vertical numbers aren't that indicative but once again, it's just a test of overall athletic ability.


Now as far as the weight lifting, I agree completely. The most coordinated, fastest athletes I've known were NOT musclebound lifters. I myself have gotten slower and my reflexes poorer as I've grown stronger over the years. I don't want my RB benching 400 pounds, thank you. And to take it a step further, I don't think it's as important for OL. Their job is much more leverage in their legs than arms. You can bench press all you want but if you can't achieve "push" with your legs or move your feet quickly than you're worthless.

 

[Hoofbite]

For starters, I never seen a player play in the league without a helmet and pads but yet these players run polar opposite with basically no clothes on. As if these guys were training for the US Olympic track team.

Point being

Make them run the 40 in pads. Micheal Irvin is a prime example of why this should be done. He was a 4.6 in pads and out of pads. Not many players can say they can do this. A guy like Desean Jackson who ran a 4.35 I beileve would probably run 4.5 in pads. There are many genius's in the NFL and why this is never brought up I dont know.

I agree that the 40 is a little off. Its slightly leveled because everyone is judged on same scale but at the same time, I agree that a bigger guy will lose less time then a smaller guy but at the same time, Bigger guys are typically slower and littler guys won't lose so much to where their 40 times become irrelevant. Also, looking at positional matchups, most of the times, excluding height, players are often matched against a similar built player. I see where you are going but I think it works itself out.

The high jump is useless imo. When's the last time the vertical jump helped a running back. All the players are good athletes here and just because someone can leap an half inch higher does that really translate to dominace on gameday? I would say no.

I think this has to do with leg power and drive in Runners. I don't have any complaints because I think this is a very good and worthwhile test. Obviously being able to get up at the WR is key because you can go up for the ball. I think the broad jump is on the same scale as this so I consider both of these as excellent tests of lower body strength.

Weights: This really should be for lineman. You dont really want your skill guys having eccentric muscles. Do you really think that Felix Jones by only lifting 8 reps at 225 pounds is going to make or break his career in the NFL? I say no. Now, there will be a story of an OT couldnt lift 225.

I think weights are also a big judger. All players have to block from time to time. Just because a RB doesn't block every down doesn't mean they should just ignore strengthening up for it. Also, how much power you have. If you don't have the muscle to move 225 a good number of times, how are you going to move a LB or even a DL if you have to. You better believe those guys are able to move that much. When I think of Felix Jones' 8 reps, I just can't help to wonder why hes so weak and the only picture I get in my head is of Kevin Jones trying to block Roy a few years back. Just a train wreck of an attempt. I think Dallas has to stay away from Felix because of those 8 but I think the right team could work with him just fine. Dallas is looking for a complimentary, 3rd down back. I wouldn't be comfortable at all with Felix, being a rookie and as weak as he is having a great deal of responsibility pass blocking.

Other than that I love watching this stuff. I even DVR it so I wouldnt miss anything important. What do you guys think. Putting all the players in pads for almost all drills would simulate more of a live game scenarios for the combine players. I think it would help all teams in the NFL. opinions

I find a few of the things they do at the combine a little odd. Some of the measurements and extra stuff they do untelevised seems a little weird. Most of the stuff that was shown today, I don't really have a problem with. I think for the most part that all the workouts are legit and good indicators of a players work-ethic and physical capability.

For some reason, Im addicted to watching the combine. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE the draft (minus the days of waiting between picks. Goodell did well by lowering picking times). I guess its just a need for all things football. I DVRed many of them as well and find myself wondering why when all the numbers will be posted. Guess its just an itch that needs too much scratching so I have to do it.

 

[Jack Burton]

I'm all for it. I think football speed and quickness are more important than track speed. I have nothing against the strength tests though. I think strength, and for lack of a better term, explosive twitch type muscles, are critical components at the pro level.

It would be really cool to see what these guys can actually do in pads.

 

[Holloway805]

For starters, I never seen a player play in the league without a helmet and pads but yet these players run polar opposite with basically no clothes on. As if these guys were training for the US Olympic track team.

Point being

Make them run the 40 in pads. Micheal Irvin is a prime example of why this should be done. He was a 4.6 in pads and out of pads. Not many players can say they can do this. A guy like Desean Jackson who ran a 4.35 I beileve would probably run 4.5 in pads. There are many genius's in the NFL and why this is never brought up I dont know.

The high jump is useless imo. When's the last time the vertical jump helped a running back. All the players are good athletes here and just because someone can leap an half inch higher does that really translate to dominace on gameday? I would say no.

Weights: This really should be for lineman. You dont really want your skill guys having eccentric muscles. Do you really think that Felix Jones by only lifting 8 reps at 225 pounds is going to make or break his career in the NFL? I say no. Now, there will be a story of an OT couldnt lift 225.

Other than that I love watching this stuff. I even DVR it so I wouldnt miss anything important. What do you guys think. Putting all the players in pads for almost all drills would simulate more of a live game scenarios for the combine players. I think it would help all teams in the NFL. opinions

Give them the Wonderlic and have them take a physical. Watch film and if you are still interested ---- suit'em up and work'em out. Throw the rest out.

 

[InmanRoshi]

The high jump is used to measures explosion and burst, and is probably the most important drill at the combine for a lot of positions.

 

[Hoofbite]

Give them the Wonderlic and have them take a physical. Watch film and if you are still interested ---- suit'em up and work'em out. Throw the rest out.

Why stop there. Might as well just have them play NCAA Football and let them play as themselves. Then we'd know everything.

Somehow I don't think just having them suit up and work out would go over well with players, agents and teams. Take too much time and the players would constantly be on the go and put them at an increased risk for injury. Thats why they have the combine and thats why teams are limited to the number of players they bring in for workouts.

Teams also use the combine as a way of seeing who they just might want to take a further look at.

 

[big dog cowboy]

The combine is horrible IMO

I love watching this stuff. I even DVR it so I wouldnt miss anything important.

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[TellerMorrow34]

For starters, I never seen a player play in the league without a helmet and pads but yet these players run polar opposite with basically no clothes on. As if these guys were training for the US Olympic track team.

Point being

Make them run the 40 in pads. Micheal Irvin is a prime example of why this should be done. He was a 4.6 in pads and out of pads. Not many players can say they can do this. A guy like Desean Jackson who ran a 4.35 I beileve would probably run 4.5 in pads. There are many genius's in the NFL and why this is never brought up I dont know.

The high jump is useless imo. When's the last time the vertical jump helped a running back. All the players are good athletes here and just because someone can leap an half inch higher does that really translate to dominace on gameday? I would say no.

Weights: This really should be for lineman. You dont really want your skill guys having eccentric muscles. Do you really think that Felix Jones by only lifting 8 reps at 225 pounds is going to make or break his career in the NFL? I say no. Now, there will be a story of an OT couldnt lift 225.

Other than that I love watching this stuff. I even DVR it so I wouldnt miss anything important. What do you guys think. Putting all the players in pads for almost all drills would simulate more of a live game scenarios for the combine players. I think it would help all teams in the NFL. opinions

I understand where you're coming from but your claim that them running in pads is never brought up is bogus. Rod Woodson brought it up more than once yesturday that he would rather see what they do in game speed than what they run in a combine.

 

[theogt]

The high jump is useless imo.

The high jump and broad jump are arguably two of the most important measurements.

 

[Seven]

The high jump and broad jump are arguably two of the most important measurements.

I agree. Not action packed but I believe it measures an athletes explosion from a standstill which in turn is sort of a 0-60 measurable. JMO.

 

[Hostile]

Are you kidding? This stuff is the best street drug a Draft junkie could ever score.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I love the combine stuff. Between this, free agency, and the actual draft I'm hooked all spring long. Love it.

 

[romo#9]

For starters, I never seen a player play in the league without a helmet and pads but yet these players run polar opposite with basically no clothes on. As if these guys were training for the US Olympic track team.

Point being

Make them run the 40 in pads. Micheal Irvin is a prime example of why this should be done. He was a 4.6 in pads and out of pads. Not many players can say they can do this. A guy like Desean Jackson who ran a 4.35 I beileve would probably run 4.5 in pads. There are many genius's in the NFL and why this is never brought up I dont know.

The high jump is useless imo. When's the last time the vertical jump helped a running back. All the players are good athletes here and just because someone can leap an half inch higher does that really translate to dominace on gameday? I would say no.

Weights: This really should be for lineman. You dont really want your skill guys having eccentric muscles. Do you really think that Felix Jones by only lifting 8 reps at 225 pounds is going to make or break his career in the NFL? I say no. Now, there will be a story of an OT couldnt lift 225.

Other than that I love watching this stuff. I even DVR it so I wouldnt miss anything important. What do you guys think. Putting all the players in pads for almost all drills would simulate more of a live game scenarios for the combine players. I think it would help all teams in the NFL. opinions

The Combine is a BIG part of the scouting process for the teams in the Nfl. They don't give a **** about your IMO!

 

[playmakers]

For better terms, I should had wrote it could be improved instead of horrible. Plus, Im not saying I dont like it. I watched just like you guys.

 

[Nightman]

The NFL is a speed and strength league. You have to have some standard measurables and having it all at once helps teams see as many guys as possible. Everyone complains about the 40 yd dash, but how else can you measure speed? The bench press is universal and at 225lbs it determines strength and stamina. I love the combine and I know the by attendance that the owners, GMs and coaches agree.

 

[YosemiteSam]

The Combine is great in my opinion. Why? Because gives us something to talk about during the football off-season.

 

[CalCBFan]

The Combine is great in my opinion. Why? Because gives us something to talk about during the football off-season.

One of the announcers said yesterday that you can tell a lot about a guy's feet and overall athleticism by the way he lands after the vertical and broad jump. They guys that land well w/ their feet under their shoulders, and not too wide, will do well in blocking and have good body control. That makes sense to me.Also, I think the combine can be used to judge a player's attitude and give insight into how well he does what he's told (coachability), adapts to unfamiliar surroundings (creativity) as well as the physical attrubutes already mentioned.I think the bench is important for RBs because they have to be able to pick up blitzes. I know a lot of them just try and roll-up the guy's knees, but I think upper body strength is important for a guy whose going to have to hang onto the ball w/ a 300 lb guy trying to hang on to it too...

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Are you kidding? This stuff is the best street drug a Draft junkie could ever score.

QFT

 

[Spectre]

Give them the Wonderlic and have them take a physical. Watch film and if you are still interested ---- suit'em up and work'em out. Throw the rest out.

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