The Condemning Air Yards Stat

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Exactly. This is why I suggested two years ago that Dallas build the team to run the football and play stout defense. Take the pressure off Dak, or make him dispensable. No need to pay him the ridiculous money they pay him.

And btw, who had Zack Martin falling apart on their Bingo card? Before teh season I think we assume he would be the same guy we have seen every year. His demise has really been a problem for the offense this year.
I did. I had Zack Martin falling apart. I did a deep dive on the Oline and said the backups looked as good as he did, and I got destroyed. I even said last year they made a mistake paying him because he was just average.

I’m not mad at fans for not noticing, but I hate the coaches and FO for not knowing when a player is done. Zeke is done, Martin is done, and yes, Dak is done without his legs. Yet these guys hang onto glory day players like their team can run on glory day fuel
 

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IMO Air Yards tell you more about a QB than many other stats. I went back and manually looked at all 3 QBs in tonight’s game and looked at air yards relative to the line of scrimmage. While some screens are designed to be negative air yards, in general you want a QB that’s able to throw downfield when needed.

Kirk cousins had a net of 73 yards through the air, with everything else coming through YAC. That’s 3.7 Yards beyond the LOS per completion. Not bad bus driving.

Cooper Rush also had 73 yards on only 14 throws, and he would’ve had way more if Ceedee or Jaylen could’ve snagged their deep balls. That’s 5.2 air yards beyond LOS per completion. Well done, Coop. Way to sling it.

Dak had 22 completions, and netted a whopping 35 net air yards the whole game. He only had 8 net air yards in the whole first half! That’s 1.7 yards beyond the LOS per completion. That is objectively awful.

The question is, who do we blame this on? The Oline? The coaches for the scheme and play calling, or Dak for not seeing the field or having bad accuracy down range? Or maybe the scheme is a reflection of Daks issues.

You tell me
Ladies and gentlemen thats what 60 million per year buys you!!
 

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Been saying for a while that Dak is not a down the field passer. People love to trot out that "deep passes" stat but those stats only consider "deep" 20 yards. When I looked at the charts to compare 30+ air yard passes from the LOS on the NextGen site, Dak has the worst completion percentage among some of the top QBs with at least 4 attempts this year. Russell Wilson has only played 2 games but is arguably the best modern day bomb ball thrower out there.

Purdy .......... 3/4
Wilson ......... 3/5
Goff .............. 5/9, 3 TDs
Darnold......... 5/9, 2 TDs
Hurts ............ 7/14, 3 TDs, 1 INT
Herbert ........ 3/6, 1 TD
Mahomes ..... 2/4, 1 TD
Rodgers ....... 2/4, 1 TD, 1 INT
Burrow .......... 4/9, 2 TDs
Allen .............. 4/10
Lawrence ...... 3/10, 1 TD, 1 INT
Stafford ......... 3/11, 2 INTs
Jackson ........ 3/12, 1 TD
Dak ............... 2/11, 2 INTs
It’s getting even uglier. Sure Dallas can’t run the ball, but it’s not just because we have a terrible oline and zero talent in the backfield. Defenses can play closer to the line because Dak is struggling to beat their coverages. Defenses are not scared of Dak.
 

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All three of those are at least partly a function of what happens when you have an OL that cannot pass block. Look, im not trying to sell you that dak is awesome or even good this year, but it should come as no surprise that when an OL struggles hard, the rest of the offense suffers HARD.
I have broke down Dak’s limitations many times on this board. It’s the things you don’t see in a stat line. What did Dak accomplish when he did have a good O-line? I’ll wait. I can’t make you see it if you don’t. There are many things that stick out like a sore thumb.
 

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He’s gonna say something about it being garbage time without realizing the irony. Just wait.
Exactly. Unless he thinks twice about doing that. Never the less It was exciting to see Rush spreading the ball around and going for some long passes. I also like his style of play which I believe helps the defense stay fresh. Some have criticized the low scores in games he has started but I enjoy his ball control style.
 

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Exactly. Unless he thinks twice about doing that. Never the less It was exciting to see Rush spreading the ball around and going for some long passes. I also like his style of play which I believe helps the defense stay fresh. Some have criticized the low scores in games he has started but I enjoy his ball control style.
The one thing that stood out to me was his drop back. Once that back foot hit the ball was out of his hand it was a striking difference between he and Dak. So I’m curious to see how that plays out over the next few weeks. I have a feeling that’s how the offense is taught.
 

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wait. what? Rush was slinging it!!!

his first two drives where it mattered with 11 minutes to go he was 6/13 (46%) for 33 yards, then it was less than 5 minutes to go....and Atlanta went prevent defense and then there was garbage time....
Rush's passes were more on target than Prescott's and there were at least 3 passes that should have been caught that would have either scored a TD or would have given the Boys field position to score so I'm not sure what game you were watching. Now that the TOAD is injured, maybe now the offenses can play some real football!
 

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Rush's passes were more on target than Prescott's and there were at least 3 passes that should have been caught that would have either scored a TD or would have given the Boys field position to score so I'm not sure what game you were watching. Now that the TOAD is injured, maybe now the offenses can play some real football!
Yes yes real football
 

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IMO Air Yards tell you more about a QB than many other stats. I went back and manually looked at all 3 QBs in tonight’s game and looked at air yards relative to the line of scrimmage. While some screens are designed to be negative air yards, in general you want a QB that’s able to throw downfield when needed.

Kirk cousins had a net of 73 yards through the air, with everything else coming through YAC. That’s 3.7 Yards beyond the LOS per completion. Not bad bus driving.

Cooper Rush also had 73 yards on only 14 throws, and he would’ve had way more if Ceedee or Jaylen could’ve snagged their deep balls. That’s 5.2 air yards beyond LOS per completion. Well done, Coop. Way to sling it.

Dak had 22 completions, and netted a whopping 35 net air yards the whole game. He only had 8 net air yards in the whole first half! That’s 1.7 yards beyond the LOS per completion. That is objectively awful.

The question is, who do we blame this on? The Oline? The coaches for the scheme and play calling, or Dak for not seeing the field or having bad accuracy down range? Or maybe the scheme is a reflection of Daks issues.

You tell me
Well Dak couldn't throw the ball 55 yards in the air before halftime, so Dallas never had any chance to score. After seeing successful hail mary's why not try?
 

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IMO Air Yards tell you more about a QB than many other stats. I went back and manually looked at all 3 QBs in tonight’s game and looked at air yards relative to the line of scrimmage. While some screens are designed to be negative air yards, in general you want a QB that’s able to throw downfield when needed.

Kirk cousins had a net of 73 yards through the air, with everything else coming through YAC. That’s 3.7 Yards beyond the LOS per completion. Not bad bus driving.

Cooper Rush also had 73 yards on only 14 throws, and he would’ve had way more if Ceedee or Jaylen could’ve snagged their deep balls. That’s 5.2 air yards beyond LOS per completion. Well done, Coop. Way to sling it.

Dak had 22 completions, and netted a whopping 35 net air yards the whole game. He only had 8 net air yards in the whole first half! That’s 1.7 yards beyond the LOS per completion. That is objectively awful.

The question is, who do we blame this on? The Oline? The coaches for the scheme and play calling, or Dak for not seeing the field or having bad accuracy down range? Or maybe the scheme is a reflection of Daks issues.

You tell me
If you watch Dak, he either decides or knows before the snap where he’s throwing it or he attempts to go through progressions. If it’s the former, it’s a quick screen or slant to 88 and he looks pretty decisive. When he does the latter, he goes to his first read but then feels the rush (even in a clean pocket) and starts looking around at the pass rush and gets happy feet. He then either takes a terrible sack or makes a horribly inaccurate throw to his check down. This is why his nexgen stats are so bad.
 

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Rush's passes were more on target than Prescott's and there were at least 3 passes that should have been caught that would have either scored a TD or would have given the Boys field position to score so I'm not sure what game you were watching. Now that the TOAD is injured, maybe now the offenses can play some real football!
how were they more on target? how do you know? and are you saying he should have had 4 TDs? you just said he missed three TD passes and clearly said it was the WR fault for not catching them.

the fact is his first drive with 11 minutes to go when one might argue we had a chance for a huge comeback...he went 1/4 for 3 yards......

and second drive he got a chance with 7:52 to go, perhaps an outside chance of a win. he went 5/9 for 30 yards.
so two drives, he went 6/13 for 33 yards...... both drives ending in punts.

then we scored in garbage time, when Atlanta played prevent defense. keep the ball in front of them force cowboys to use timeouts and eat the clock....going to 1:32 in the game before giving up a TD but taking 3:1/2 minutes off the clock. literal garbage time.
 

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I did. I had Zack Martin falling apart. I did a deep dive on the Oline and said the backups looked as good as he did, and I got destroyed. I even said last year they made a mistake paying him because he was just average.

I’m not mad at fans for not noticing, but I hate the coaches and FO for not knowing when a player is done. Zeke is done, Martin is done, and yes, Dak is done without his legs. Yet these guys hang onto glory day players like their team can run on glory day fuel
I think fans, and coaches - owners too - are guilty of wishful thinking. We wanted Zack to be the same old Zack so we did not consider he would fall so far so fast. We hoped he could give us one more year while the two rookies developed. Reality has a way of slapping the snot out of you sometimes.
 

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how were they more on target? how do you know? and are you saying he should have had 4 TDs? you just said he missed three TD passes and clearly said it was the WR fault for not catching them.

the fact is his first drive with 11 minutes to go when one might argue we had a chance for a huge comeback...he went 1/4 for 3 yards......

and second drive he got a chance with 7:52 to go, perhaps an outside chance of a win. he went 5/9 for 30 yards.
so two drives, he went 6/13 for 33 yards...... both drives ending in punts.

then we scored in garbage time, when Atlanta played prevent defense. keep the ball in front of them force cowboys to use timeouts and eat the clock....going to 1:32 in the game before giving up a TD but taking 3:1/2 minutes off the clock. literal garbage time.
Rush hadn't played in how long, got his feet wet and then did what he is paid to do and that's throw catchable passes, which is more than anyone can say for Dakota "TOAD HUNTER" Prescott!
 

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I have broke down Dak’s limitations many times on this board. It’s the things you don’t see in a stat line. What did Dak accomplish when he did have a good O-line? I’ll wait. I can’t make you see it if you don’t. There are many things that stick out like a sore thumb.
I think that was a sore finger.:rolleyes::)
 

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I think fans, and coaches - owners too - are guilty of wishful thinking. We wanted Zack to be the same old Zack so we did not consider he would fall so far so fast. We hoped he could give us one more year while the two rookies developed. Reality has a way of slapping the snot out of you sometimes.
Not many people claimed old, or rather young, zeke. Many hoped he could contribute. A combination of things smashed that pretty quick.
 

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Of course he has.

Anyone who thought he was going to look like he did last year with the amount of players lost was kidding themselves *cough Jerry cough*. You cant trot out the RBs this team has, have one weapon at WR, and 2 rookies on the OL and expect the same results. Dont even get me started on the defensive starters this team lost.

That GB should have been the catalyst for an off-season where they moved on from Dak, or if you are going to pay him, pay him in April and bring in Henry, Bahktari, and some defensive help. Guyton was never a plug and play LT.

Not only that. Not doing anything in FA tells the players this team isnt serious about winning. It sends a terrible message to the locker room.
I agree. Either move on or get weapons to get better. That’s what frustrates me the most with Jerry. You have to have a plan and execute your plan. It needs to be decided who you are keeping a year or two ahead and sign them asap. But coming off last year, knowing you would have two rookies starting and not adding a quality RB was just the dumbest thing ever. And not adding a quality DT knowing simmers systems requires a quality DT. Seems like Jerry just wings it and there’s no overal plan for you roster, scheme or anything else
 

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If you watch Dak, he either decides or knows before the snap where he’s throwing it or he attempts to go through progressions. If it’s the former, it’s a quick screen or slant to 88 and he looks pretty decisive. When he does the latter, he goes to his first read but then feels the rush (even in a clean pocket) and starts looking around at the pass rush and gets happy feet. He then either takes a terrible sack or makes a horribly inaccurate throw to his check down. This is why his nexgen stats are so bad.
This is excellent. These are some of the things that don’t show up in the stat line. I’ve been spewing this and other deficiencies in his game for years. There were many on here then, not so many now, they tried to run me off the board with stats.
 

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Rush hadn't played in how long, got his feet wet and then did what he is paid to do and that's throw catchable passes, which is more than anyone can say for Dakota "TOAD HUNTER" Prescott!
so how do you qualify catachable passes, when he went 13/25......or is it the eye test thingy people utilize around these neck of the woods

same game, Dak was 18/24.....

or is it the WRs don't like rush so they didn't make catches they should have, but they controted themselves like a circus freak to make catches for Dak?

btw, this is not a defense of Dak, most you all if anyone doesn't incessantly poop on Dak, then they must be a supporter.....are you one of those types?
 

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so how do you qualify catachable passes, when he went 13/25......or is it the eye test thingy people utilize around these neck of the woods

same game, Dak was 18/24.....

or is it the WRs don't like rush so they didn't make catches they should have, but they controted themselves like a circus freak to make catches for Dak?

btw, this is not a defense of Dak, most you all if anyone doesn't incessantly poop on Dak, then they must be a supporter.....are you one of those types?
Go back and watch the game at the point Rush came in. Like I said it took him a minute to get his feet wet, back once he got them dried off he settled in nicely................
 

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Go back and watch the game at the point Rush came in. Like I said it took him a minute to get his feet wet, back once he got them dried off he settled in nicely................
settled in nicely!! his first two drives were a disaster. then less than 5 minutes left. Atlanta went to prevent defense to kill the clock....it was garbage time
 
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