The Cooper Effect

[Diehardblues]

Hey, you're on a roll.

Do you know for a fact that Riley wanted to move to CLE or they even wanted him? It's not the usual to hire the QB's college coach as the team's HC. We really don't know if he was offered anything in the NFL, only that he's stated that he is interested and the only reason I mentioned it was because that is odd. Most college coaches deflect those kinds of questions. And one thing we don't know is if any NFL team would consider him HC material or OC and he might prefer to be captain in Norman than first mate elsewhere.

The intriguing part of this is the possibility that acquiring Cooper saved two jobs, one for sure and we'll see about the other. But to think Booger would just stand pat if he had a top 10 pick and had hired Riley, a stretch I agree because we don't know his mindset, and not go for Riley's QB is underestimating him. As far as AZ, who's to say they would have given up that #1 pick for a 1st and Prescott?

And a very warm welcome to you but you haven't been here long enough to say every random thought. I have witnesses that can attest to the fact I have many more random thoughts than show up here. And since you are relatively new posting here, it is not required that every thread be read or responded to, you can just pass it on by.

I stopped after his first sentence that this forum was his best source for Cowboys Football info. Lol

 

[CouchCoach]

I hope you're right. My biggest fear with the return of Witten is that the offense, in general, and Dak, in particular, rely on him at the expense of Cooper and Gallup. If that happens, then the offense has taken a step backwards.

THAT is a distinct possibility and up to Moore to make sure that doesn't become that kind of offense.

The young Kellen is on the main stage now, every eye from every analyst will be on him because what's happened here has never happened before. If I am an analyst, I am flat giddy over the fact this is the Cowboys with a HC in a contract year and a newbie OC. That's the trifecta.

 

[CouchCoach]

If a WR1 had such a dramatic effect on this offense I can’t help but wonder what a QB1 would do for it?

If we had a top 10 offense and QB to go with our top 10 defense would we be a more serious contender?

You don't have to wonder, they have the QB1. Not the 1 you and some others want and I can think of some others I'd rather have but I am not at that point that I do not think he can't get it done.

 

[Diehardblues]

You don't have to wonder, they have the QB1. Not the 1 you and some others want and I can think of some others I'd rather have but I am not at that point that I do not think he can't get it done.

Yea but it makes it tougher without the QB1.

And if Dak is QB1 then what is Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, Brees, etc. ???

 

[Pantone282C]

Not sure when I heard this or if it was really true but some were saying that the giants game last year when Dak ran around without Elliot and some O-Line that Moore was working with Dak in that game. He threw 3 td passes to the TE. But those passes weren’t dink and dunk passes either. Lmao. This could be awesome or a train wreck.

Edited
I think it gives more offensive options to Moore and Dak. Those passes to the TEs were game savers. TEs made some athletic adjustments.
All aboard the train to Wellville or Hellville! The anticipation is building.

 

[Diehardblues]

THAT is a distinct possibility and up to Moore to make sure that doesn't become that kind of offense.

The young Kellen is on the main stage now, every eye from every analyst will be on him because what's happened here has never happened before. If I am an analyst, I am flat giddy over the fact this is the Cowboys with a HC in a contract year and a newbie OC. That's the trifecta.

And it looks like only one who will have a guaranteed contract ... the QB2 as I’m anointing him today. Ha

No one has survived the Daksters wrath yet. He might even take Garrett down with him.

 

[glimmerman]

Edited
I think it gives more offensive options to Moore and Dak. Those passes to the TEs were game savers. TEs made some athletic adjustments.
All aboard the train to Wellville or Hellville! The anticipation is building.

Agreed.

 

[CouchCoach]

Yea but it makes it tougher without the QB1.

And if Dak is QB1 then what is Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, Brees, etc. ???

QB1 is simply the starting QB and does not refer to a Tier. However, only one of those Tier 1 QB's has shown he can sustain anything and that's because of his HC, not him.

I've seen this comment quite a few times, "just wait until Belichick doesn't have Brady" and to me it's just the opposite. Brady didn't hold the Rams to 3 points or shut down Mahomes. Rodgers, Mahomes and Brees have been asked to carry their teams and come up short except for two times. The only reason the Chargers are getting any music is because they stopped relying on Rivers to carry the team.

Brady is a great QB but not the GOAT for me but what he is, along with Montana, is the best play executer.

Those that lay all that on Brady, do they ever stop to consider where he would be without a top 10 run game and D every year?

 

[CCBoy]

QB1 is simply the starting QB and does not refer to a Tier. However, only one of those Tier 1 QB's has shown he can sustain anything and that's because of his HC, not him.

I've seen this comment quite a few times, "just wait until Belichick doesn't have Brady" and to me it's just the opposite. Brady didn't hold the Rams to 3 points or shut down Mahomes. Rodgers, Mahomes and Brees have been asked to carry their teams and come up short except for two times. The only reason the Chargers are getting any music is because they stopped relying on Rivers to carry the team.

Brady is a great QB but not the GOAT for me but what he is, along with Montana, is the best play executer.

Those that lay all that on Brady, do they ever stop to consider where he would be without a top 10 run game and D every year?

2007 and 2011 were better years for Brady and his offensive unit.

 

[Diehardblues]

QB1 is simply the starting QB and does not refer to a Tier. However, only one of those Tier 1 QB's has shown he can sustain anything and that's because of his HC, not him.

I've seen this comment quite a few times, "just wait until Belichick doesn't have Brady" and to me it's just the opposite. Brady didn't hold the Rams to 3 points or shut down Mahomes. Rodgers, Mahomes and Brees have been asked to carry their teams and come up short except for two times. The only reason the Chargers are getting any music is because they stopped relying on Rivers to carry the team.

Brady is a great QB but not the GOAT for me but what he is, along with Montana, is the best play executer.

Those that lay all that on Brady, do they ever stop to consider where he would be without a top 10 run game and D every year?

Let me ask you this. What do you think some of those QB’s would be producing with this offense?

Do you think it would be better than 22nd ranked?

And the Brady/Bill which is greater debate is subjective.

 

[CCBoy]

Let me ask you this. What do you think some of those QB’s would be producing with this offense?

Do you think it would be better than 22nd ranked?

That implies a void in development of team success as well as in Dak Prescott...maybe?

That I disagree with. As with Troy Aikman, the scheme has actually got a lot more Dak friendly now...

 

[Montanalo]

You don't have to wonder, they have the QB1. Not the 1 you and some others want and I can think of some others I'd rather have but I am not at that point that I do not think he can't get it done.

Keep up the good fight

 

[CouchCoach]

Let me ask you this. What do you think some of those QB’s would be producing with this offense?

Do you think it would be better than 22nd ranked?

And the Brady/Bill which is greater debate is subjective.

I don't know because he is a better athlete than they are but I think it would be better than 22nd. However, the last time I looked, they were not available. It is not a question of who else because they are not available.

Debate is subject to subjectivity but what swings that around in my corner are the defenses these QB's had when they had their best teams and years: Starr, Dawson, Staubach, Bradshaw, Montana, Kelly, Aikman, Favre and Brady has had a top 10 run game and D every year he's won the title.

Your argument leans too much to the QB side and not enough to the team side. This QB1 can win it all with the right team around him, I do believe that because when Aikman won his passing stats were not that great but his run game and his D could play with anyone.

And while I agree that the run game is not what it used to be in important to most team, it still is to that cat in NE. And D's will never go out of style.

 

[CouchCoach]

Keep up the good fight

Ya know, I don't get the thinking that Dak can't lead this team to a title, providing he's got the help and Brady sure as hell as had the help.

The man went to his first playoff game as a rookie and damned near brought them back. The next time he's in it, he wins one and loses to the eventual NFC SB team on their playground.

Would he be my first choice, if I had that? No and he wouldn't be theirs either but there are just so many Tier 1 QB's/Passers to go around. And teams like BAL, NYG and LAR have proven you do not have to have a Tier 1 to get to the Big Dance and having one doesn't guarantee a trip either.

I do not get why we have to continually have this polarization with the QB position. The only question I ask myself "is this QB good enough to get the team there"? My answer is yes.

 

[Diehardblues]

That implies a void in development of team success as well as in Dak Prescott...maybe?

That I disagree with. As with Troy Aikman, the scheme has actually got a lot more Dak friendly now...

So, you don’t believe a more Elite QB could produce greater results within this offense.

Let me guess.. Dak is the only one who can lead us?

 

[Diehardblues]

I don't know because he is a better athlete than they are but I think it would be better than 22nd. However, the last time I looked, they were not available. It is not a question of who else because they are not available.

Debate is subject to subjectivity but what swings that around in my corner are the defenses these QB's had when they had their best teams and years: Starr, Dawson, Staubach, Bradshaw, Montana, Kelly, Aikman, Favre and Brady has had a top 10 run game and D every year he's won the title.

Your argument leans too much to the QB side and not enough to the team side. This QB1 can win it all with the right team around him, I do believe that because when Aikman won his passing stats were not that great but his run game and his D could play with anyone.

And while I agree that the run game is not what it used to be in important to most team, it still is to that cat in NE. And D's will never go out of style.

So now we need a greater athlete than prolific passer? Lol

There’s no end in defending our guy. Amazing..

Sounds like your leaning wherever it supports your thought.

 

[CouchCoach]

So, you don’t believe a more Elite QB could produce greater results within this offense.

Let me guess.. Dak is the only one who can lead us?

Wow Greg, no one is arguing that point or the fact that Dak is the only QB on the team or available that can lead the team and he's proven that.

 

[Diehardblues]

I’m not saying we can’t win it with Dak. I’m saying it’s more difficult without a more Elite QB especially with our dysfunctional organization.

We have surrounded him with enough talent to take us all the way. All QB’s need supporting cast. It’s what they do with it that separates them. Tick tock..

 

[Diehardblues]

Wow Greg, no one is arguing that point or the fact that Dak is the only QB on the team or available that can lead the team and he's proven that.

I present this point because that’s where the rhetoric and rebuttals I’m hearing drives me to suggest.

I often arrive at different conclusions than I begin with based on the responses which lead or spur me to these thoughts.

 

[CouchCoach]

So now we need a greater athlete than prolific passer? Lol

There’s no end in defending our guy. Amazing..

Sounds like your leaning wherever it supports your thought.

Well, here's what I think. I do not see another QB on the team or available now or next year in the draft where the Cowboys will be picking that can do a better job than he can right now and in the immediate future.

Why in the hell waste time beating up on the guy when he's going to be the QB. I would prefer to focus on his strong suit than isolating plays to hammer down on him. It's called making the best if it.

I am not leaning in any direction other than acceptance of what I cannot change and have 0 control over. Railing against Prescott is akin to "Booger needs to step down" or "Garrett needs to be fired", the inevitable should not be ignored.

Maybe you'd be happier if you tried to focus on the positives of the QB instead of the negatives and look at this as a soso marriage but divorce isn't an option. You aren't gonna be really happy but you ain't gonna be totally bummed out because you're focusing on the positives. She's a lousy lay and can't cook but leaves you alone in your mancave.