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Cowboy Nation is divided. While everybody loves who Dak Precott is, there's a cavernous divide about what kind of NFL quarterbacking dexterity he's capable of. I need not recount the endless threads that carry that thematic argument within this very forum.

It may very well be ultimately irrelevant. A complete and unnecessary waste of time and energy, in fact, when you ponder where the league is headed instead. We focus too much on what we've known it to be for so long.

The days of the "elite" quarterbacks in the NFL may soon be over.

Peyton Manning is gone. Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Ben Roethlisberger aren't far behind him. Philip Rivers, too. Aaron Rodgers now entering the latter stages of his amazing career. Romo, Eli, Flacco....gone or about to be.

Soon, who's it gonna be? Who are the elite passers of five years from now? I don't see them.

Russell Wilson isn't in that category, but he's the closest. It's not Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariotta, Blake Bortles, or Alex Smith. And I don't see Dak, Watson, Wentz, Trubisky, Mahomes, any of them ever reaching the levels of Brady, Peyton, Brees, or Rodgers. Goff maybe? I doubt it.

Shoot, Baker Mayfield might be the best suited because at least he ran a semi-pro style offense in college. Most quarterbacks and receivers coming out of college these days are just not trained for the NFL game anymore. College offenses are exactly the same as high school offenses with rare exceptions.

So while we may question Dak's abilities at the NFL level in the traditional sense, it may not matter one bit in 5 years. "Elite" quarterbacking is going the way of the dinosaur.

We already see the devaluing of wide receivers. So few are "No. 1" receivers anymore. There used to be lots of them in the league - Irvin, Rice, Reed, Brown, Ward, Moss, Carter, Pickens, Galloway, etc, etc, etc - but not anymore. I count 4 today in Jones, Brown, Hopkins, and Beckham. (Fitzgerald no more.)

Receivers are flaming out in droves from the draft. Busts all over the place. They have no idea how to run a stinking route because they were never asked to in college. They just flood zones with lazy slants and hooks, and that's it. The 15-yard out and the option read routes are dead and buried.

The league is headed toward hike and chuck it, just like college. Perhaps quarterbacks will devalue much the same as receivers and running backs as a result.

I don't like where the league is headed one bit, but they don't ask me my opinion. If the NFL soon resembles more what the SEC is as we know it, then Dak Prescott is as good as anyone to play that kind of football.

So while I constantly point out that this is the year Dak has to prove himself as the future, maybe I'm kidding myself. Perhaps when Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Roethlisberger hang it up, Dak will be as good as anybody left.
 
There will be elite QB's who? no telling but the game will remain as it always had the best will rise to the top

Well, they're not rising.

Brady, Peyton, Brees, etc....those guys were elite by their 5th year or so. Who are the elite quarterbacks that are 27 or 28? Russell Wilson is the best, but he's not in that category of elite.

There aren't any. The truly good ones are well into their 30s. Rodgers is the youngest, and he's 34.
 
Well, they're not rising.

Brady, Peyton, Brees, etc....those guys were elite by their 5th year or so. Who are the elite quarterbacks that are 27 or 28? Russell Wilson is the best, but he's not in that category of elite.

There aren't any. The truly good ones are well into their 30s. Rodgers is the youngest, and he's 34.
They are out there the NFL did not die when Bradshaw Aikman or Breeze retired It even survived Montana and Elway retiring
 
Cowboy Nation is divided. While everybody loves who Dak Precott is, there's a cavernous divide about what kind of NFL quarterbacking dexterity he's capable of. I need not recount the endless threads that carry that thematic argument within this very forum.

It may very well be ultimately irrelevant. A complete and unnecessary waste of time and energy, in fact, when you ponder where the league is headed instead. We focus too much on what we've known it to be for so long.

The days of the "elite" quarterbacks in the NFL may soon be over.

Peyton Manning is gone. Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Ben Roethlisberger aren't far behind him. Philip Rivers, too. Aaron Rodgers now entering the latter stages of his amazing career. Romo, Eli, Flacco....gone or about to be.

Soon, who's it gonna be? Who are the elite passers of five years from now? I don't see them.

Russell Wilson isn't in that category, but he's the closest. It's not Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariotta, Blake Bortles, or Alex Smith. And I don't see Dak, Watson, Wentz, Trubisky, Mahomes, any of them ever reaching the levels of Brady, Peyton, Brees, or Rodgers. Goff maybe? I doubt it.

Shoot, Baker Mayfield might be the best suited because at least he ran a semi-pro style offense in college. Most quarterbacks and receivers coming out of college these days are just not trained for the NFL game anymore. College offenses are exactly the same as high school offenses with rare exceptions.

So while we may question Dak's abilities at the NFL level in the traditional sense, it may not matter one bit in 5 years. "Elite" quarterbacking is going the way of the dinosaur.

We already see the devaluing of wide receivers. So few are "No. 1" receivers anymore. There used to be lots of them in the league - Irvin, Rice, Reed, Brown, Ward, Moss, Carter, Pickens, Galloway, etc, etc, etc - but not anymore. I count 4 today in Jones, Brown, Hopkins, and Beckham. (Fitzgerald no more.)

Receivers are flaming out in droves from the draft. Busts all over the place. They have no idea how to run a stinking route because they were never asked to in college. They just flood zones with lazy slants and hooks, and that's it. The 15-yard out and the option read routes are dead and buried.

The league is headed toward hike and chuck it, just like college. Perhaps quarterbacks will devalue much the same as receivers and running backs as a result.

I don't like where the league is headed one bit, but they don't ask me my opinion. If the NFL soon resembles more what the SEC is as we know it, then Dak Prescott is as good as anyone to play that kind of football.

So while I constantly point out that this is the year Dak has to prove himself as the future, maybe I'm kidding myself. Perhaps when Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Roethlisberger hang it up, Dak will be as good as anybody left.

Keep writing it bud...exaxtly wht a hybrid like dak has a great shot....very strong thread my friend
 
Cowboy Nation is divided. While everybody loves who Dak Precott is, there's a cavernous divide about what kind of NFL quarterbacking dexterity he's capable of. I need not recount the endless threads that carry that thematic argument within this very forum.

It may very well be ultimately irrelevant. A complete and unnecessary waste of time and energy, in fact, when you ponder where the league is headed instead. We focus too much on what we've known it to be for so long.

The days of the "elite" quarterbacks in the NFL may soon be over.

Peyton Manning is gone. Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Ben Roethlisberger aren't far behind him. Philip Rivers, too. Aaron Rodgers now entering the latter stages of his amazing career. Romo, Eli, Flacco....gone or about to be.

Soon, who's it gonna be? Who are the elite passers of five years from now? I don't see them.

Russell Wilson isn't in that category, but he's the closest. It's not Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariotta, Blake Bortles, or Alex Smith. And I don't see Dak, Watson, Wentz, Trubisky, Mahomes, any of them ever reaching the levels of Brady, Peyton, Brees, or Rodgers. Goff maybe? I doubt it.

Shoot, Baker Mayfield might be the best suited because at least he ran a semi-pro style offense in college. Most quarterbacks and receivers coming out of college these days are just not trained for the NFL game anymore. College offenses are exactly the same as high school offenses with rare exceptions.

So while we may question Dak's abilities at the NFL level in the traditional sense, it may not matter one bit in 5 years. "Elite" quarterbacking is going the way of the dinosaur.

We already see the devaluing of wide receivers. So few are "No. 1" receivers anymore. There used to be lots of them in the league - Irvin, Rice, Reed, Brown, Ward, Moss, Carter, Pickens, Galloway, etc, etc, etc - but not anymore. I count 4 today in Jones, Brown, Hopkins, and Beckham. (Fitzgerald no more.)

Receivers are flaming out in droves from the draft. Busts all over the place. They have no idea how to run a stinking route because they were never asked to in college. They just flood zones with lazy slants and hooks, and that's it. The 15-yard out and the option read routes are dead and buried.

The league is headed toward hike and chuck it, just like college. Perhaps quarterbacks will devalue much the same as receivers and running backs as a result.

I don't like where the league is headed one bit, but they don't ask me my opinion. If the NFL soon resembles more what the SEC is as we know it, then Dak Prescott is as good as anyone to play that kind of football.

So while I constantly point out that this is the year Dak has to prove himself as the future, maybe I'm kidding myself. Perhaps when Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Roethlisberger hang it up, Dak will be as good as anybody left.

Awwww!
You are all nuts!!!!
 
They are out there the NFL did not die when Bradshaw Aikman or Breeze retired It even survived Montana and Elway retiring

Colleges were running simplified versions of pro style offenses though. These days, college football offenses are massively dumbed-down compared to traditional NFL offenses.

The fullback is now obsolete. Tight ends like Jason Witten are, too. Dak had never taken a snap from center before, just like Goff. There are tons offensive linemen coming out that have literally never lined up for a down of football with their hand on the ground.

The NFL seems to be giving up the fight and transitioning to full-time spread college/high school offenses.
 
Keep writing it bud...exaxtly wht a hybrid like dak has a great shot....very strong thread my friend

Problem for me is, I couldn't be less interested in that style of football. I'll be out.
 
Colleges were running simplified versions of pro style offenses though. These days, college football offenses are massively dumbed-down compared to traditional NFL offenses.

The fullback is now obsolete. Tight ends like Jason Witten are, too. Dak had never taken a snap from center before, just like Goff. There are tons offensive linemen coming out that have literally never lined up for a down of football with their hand on the ground.

The NFL seems to be giving up the fight and transitioning to full-time spread college/high school offenses.
Alabama won and wins with a pro style offense USC LSU OSU Michigan Stanford Michigan st Florida Georgia I can name a bunch bore but will stop
 
It's programed by the NFL and players union. The owners wanted salary cap and NFLPA signed off.
The coaches had to adapt by borrowing schemes from college to get younger players up to speed quicker.
IMO.Parity's children
 
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Cowboy Nation is divided. While everybody loves who Dak Precott is, there's a cavernous divide about what kind of NFL quarterbacking dexterity he's capable of. I need not recount the endless threads that carry that thematic argument within this very forum.

It may very well be ultimately irrelevant. A complete and unnecessary waste of time and energy, in fact, when you ponder where the league is headed instead. We focus too much on what we've known it to be for so long.

The days of the "elite" quarterbacks in the NFL may soon be over.

Peyton Manning is gone. Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Ben Roethlisberger aren't far behind him. Philip Rivers, too. Aaron Rodgers now entering the latter stages of his amazing career. Romo, Eli, Flacco....gone or about to be.

Soon, who's it gonna be? Who are the elite passers of five years from now? I don't see them.

Russell Wilson isn't in that category, but he's the closest. It's not Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariotta, Blake Bortles, or Alex Smith. And I don't see Dak, Watson, Wentz, Trubisky, Mahomes, any of them ever reaching the levels of Brady, Peyton, Brees, or Rodgers. Goff maybe? I doubt it.

Shoot, Baker Mayfield might be the best suited because at least he ran a semi-pro style offense in college. Most quarterbacks and receivers coming out of college these days are just not trained for the NFL game anymore. College offenses are exactly the same as high school offenses with rare exceptions.

So while we may question Dak's abilities at the NFL level in the traditional sense, it may not matter one bit in 5 years. "Elite" quarterbacking is going the way of the dinosaur.

We already see the devaluing of wide receivers. So few are "No. 1" receivers anymore. There used to be lots of them in the league - Irvin, Rice, Reed, Brown, Ward, Moss, Carter, Pickens, Galloway, etc, etc, etc - but not anymore. I count 4 today in Jones, Brown, Hopkins, and Beckham. (Fitzgerald no more.)

Receivers are flaming out in droves from the draft. Busts all over the place. They have no idea how to run a stinking route because they were never asked to in college. They just flood zones with lazy slants and hooks, and that's it. The 15-yard out and the option read routes are dead and buried.

The league is headed toward hike and chuck it, just like college. Perhaps quarterbacks will devalue much the same as receivers and running backs as a result.

I don't like where the league is headed one bit, but they don't ask me my opinion. If the NFL soon resembles more what the SEC is as we know it, then Dak Prescott is as good as anyone to play that kind of football.

So while I constantly point out that this is the year Dak has to prove himself as the future, maybe I'm kidding myself. Perhaps when Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Roethlisberger hang it up, Dak will be as good as anybody left.
E this is a very insightful post. Couldn’t agree more. All sports are constantly evolving and the coaches and executives that see how the game is changing in advance are the ones who start new eras.

Tom Landry saw how offenses could be stopped before anyone else and he introduced the Flex defense and it dominated for over a decade. Bill Walsh saw how to beat defenses ahead of the curve and developed a short passing game that became known as the West Coast offense and it dominated for a decade.

Point is, the game is always evolving. Your point about not having the #1 QB as much is so true. Look at the evolving and changing need for a clear #1 WR- fewer and fewer teams are building around that.

We may actually be seeing a new era for the running game starting. RBs in the 60s-90s were the centerpiece of many teams offense. Jim Brown, Gale Sayers, Walter Payton, Tony Dorsett, John Riggins, Larry Cszonka, Earl Campbell, Eric Dickerson, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders...they were the straw that stirred the NFL offense in those days. The 21st century has seen the passing game take the front seat with QBs being the true centerpiece of offensive success.

But as you pointed out E, the QB dominated era maybe changing. Maybe the drafting of Zeke in 2016 at 4 started a new trend. Maybe the running game is the new future. Most defenses today are built to stop the pass. New era coming? We’ll see.
 
Cowboy Nation is divided. While everybody loves who Dak Precott is, there's a cavernous divide about what kind of NFL quarterbacking dexterity he's capable of. I need not recount the endless threads that carry that thematic argument within this very forum.

It may very well be ultimately irrelevant. A complete and unnecessary waste of time and energy, in fact, when you ponder where the league is headed instead. We focus too much on what we've known it to be for so long.

The days of the "elite" quarterbacks in the NFL may soon be over.

Peyton Manning is gone. Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Ben Roethlisberger aren't far behind him. Philip Rivers, too. Aaron Rodgers now entering the latter stages of his amazing career. Romo, Eli, Flacco....gone or about to be.

Soon, who's it gonna be? Who are the elite passers of five years from now? I don't see them.

Russell Wilson isn't in that category, but he's the closest. It's not Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariotta, Blake Bortles, or Alex Smith. And I don't see Dak, Watson, Wentz, Trubisky, Mahomes, any of them ever reaching the levels of Brady, Peyton, Brees, or Rodgers. Goff maybe? I doubt it.

Shoot, Baker Mayfield might be the best suited because at least he ran a semi-pro style offense in college. Most quarterbacks and receivers coming out of college these days are just not trained for the NFL game anymore. College offenses are exactly the same as high school offenses with rare exceptions.

So while we may question Dak's abilities at the NFL level in the traditional sense, it may not matter one bit in 5 years. "Elite" quarterbacking is going the way of the dinosaur.

We already see the devaluing of wide receivers. So few are "No. 1" receivers anymore. There used to be lots of them in the league - Irvin, Rice, Reed, Brown, Ward, Moss, Carter, Pickens, Galloway, etc, etc, etc - but not anymore. I count 4 today in Jones, Brown, Hopkins, and Beckham. (Fitzgerald no more.)

Receivers are flaming out in droves from the draft. Busts all over the place. They have no idea how to run a stinking route because they were never asked to in college. They just flood zones with lazy slants and hooks, and that's it. The 15-yard out and the option read routes are dead and buried.

The league is headed toward hike and chuck it, just like college. Perhaps quarterbacks will devalue much the same as receivers and running backs as a result.

I don't like where the league is headed one bit, but they don't ask me my opinion. If the NFL soon resembles more what the SEC is as we know it, then Dak Prescott is as good as anyone to play that kind of football.

So while I constantly point out that this is the year Dak has to prove himself as the future, maybe I'm kidding myself. Perhaps when Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Roethlisberger hang it up, Dak will be as good as anybody left.
The NFL has always had to transition QB’s from the college ranks . Very few teams have ever ran pro set style offenses.

In recent decades we’ve seen the run and shoot. Before that the run option and Wishbone.

Without the parity the NFL at least attempts to present the NCAA is a haven for corruption and compiling of elite talent to a select few of big state schools. The rest can’t just simply line up and try to beat them. They have to scheme with these offense to try and offset the imbalance in talent.

I’d say the way NFL teams are being built and maintained are beginning to resemble the NCAA and their 4 years of eligibility with the exception of a few key positions NFL teams don’t churn over and over like with QB.

Perhaps the NFL as I referred to in “ recievers” thread needs to rethink their schemes and how they build, maintain and distribute salaries.

Maybe they should stop investing 100 million on QB’s in Cap era to provide more balance of talent on their respective teams and throughout the league as the Cap has watered down depth across the league with still cream at the top which is thinning as the OP suggest which is just related to talent coming out but not how it's managed.

I’ve long been a critic of the Cap. I never believed it was necessary to uphold the Parity the league had long enjoyed due to the Equal TV revenue which had always been the benchmark to the leagues success. But if they’re intent on a mandated budgetary discipline in place they may need to re-evaluate some restraints and budgets on how it’s distributed.
 
There will be elite QBs. Carson Wentz is who many believe is going to be the next up and coming great. You also just had Jared Goff who had a fantastic season and looks to be an up and coming great. We don't know about Mahomes or Trubisky.

One of the main reasons Brady, Manning, and Rodgers have played like they have is due to restrictions on defense - If a player comes in and has the talent as QB, they have the advantage.
 
The blatant disrespect of Russell Wilson by Cowboys fans is baffling to me especially when he's a superior athlete and player than Dak. I am not co-signing this nonsense...

I have to agree as well - and Wilson is playing behind a makeshift offensive line the past couple seasons as well.

He is an elite QB and has been since the 2015.
 

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