The Dawk speaks on T.O.

[Doomsday101]

I wouldn't let one guy split my lockerroom, unless he wasn't performing on the field.

Weak leadership in the lockerroom.

Letting TO affect your team's performance is like letting a 2 yr old affect the way a family is run.

Who is in charge here ?

I still say TO can only impact what he is allowed to impact.

Dallas had this problem with Duane Thomas which is why we got rid of the punk. He was a good player for us but was a big distraction to the team. I don't want players with this messed up additude messing with team chemistry. That is how you handle a player who is a problem and thankfully we had Tom Landry who was never going to put up with this stuff no matter who you were.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Dallas had this problem with Duane Thomas which is why we got rid of the punk. He was a good player for us but was a big distraction to the team. I don't want players with this messed up additude messing with team chemistry. That is how you handle a player who is a problem and thankfully we had Tom Landry who was never going to put up with this stuff no matter who you were.

He did put up with Hollywood Henderson longer than you or I could have or would have.

 

[Chuck 54]

He did put up with Hollywood Henderson longer than you or I could have or would have.

I was going to stay out of this one because I don't care if T.O. every puts on the uniform again or not, but....

Thomas Henderson had his own personal problems...he did not have problems with his teammates...as far as I know, he was well-liked and supported his coach and teammates. He simply had a drug problem.

 

[Doomsday101]

He did put up with Hollywood Henderson longer than you or I could have or would have.

Landry tried to work with Thomas as well but yes 1 person can cause big problems to a team which is why you get to the point that you have to get rid of them. TO did the one thing that is hard to forgive and that is make a show of these problems to the media. His little stunt after Reid sent him home during training camp and he is out in the parking lot doing situps and running his mouth to the press. Philly like SF did what they had to do and that was to run this punk out of town. I have major doubts TO is going to change so don't be suprised if this subject comes back up with yet another team.

 

[Doomsday101]

I was going to stay out of this one because I don't care if T.O. every puts on the uniform again or not, but....

Thomas Henderson had his own personal problems...he did not have problems with his teammates...as far as I know, he was well-liked and supported his coach and teammates. He simply had a drug problem.

Not sure about the Henderson situation with teammates but I do know Landry never put up with problem players be it personal problems or additude problems. Things were done Toms way or you were gone.

 

[RedLine]

Screw TO, can we have Dawkins instead? He would look better with a star on his helmet.

 

[Alexander]

I wouldn't let one guy split my lockerroom, unless he wasn't performing on the field.

Weak leadership in the lockerroom.

Letting TO affect your team's performance is like letting a 2 yr old affect the way a family is run.

Who is in charge here ?

I still say TO can only impact what he is allowed to impact.

Excellent point.

Owens became a problem because he was allowed to do so. In San Francisco, you had Mariucci running a loose operation. If you don't believe me, look at the total listlessness his tenure in Detroit was all about. He didn't like Garcia and lashed out.

In Philadelphia, Andy Reid is regarded as a pushover and you have a partially paranoid Donovan McNabb playing victim and excuse making left and right. Owens busts his backside to play in the Super Bowl. McNabb chokes. The griping begins. Players on the Eagles side with whom they feel allegience with. Some people think Owens just walked in there and with his magical powers of corruption, divided the lockerroom. He didn't divide anything that was not already headed in that direction. It is no secret that he had his supporters on that team, despite the fabrications otherwise about them all "voting him off". Other prominent players such as Jeremiah Trotter have confirmed that to be false.

You hear many times about players liking Coach Parcells because you know where you stand. I believe his no nonsense this is my way, this is it, would keep Owens firmly under wraps and let him do his damage on the field.

He can only be a problem if the lockerroom is already in a state of disarray and there is no control.

 

[Alexander]

I was going to stay out of this one because I don't care if T.O. every puts on the uniform again or not, but....

Thomas Henderson had his own personal problems...he did not have problems with his teammates...as far as I know, he was well-liked and supported his coach and teammates. He simply had a drug problem.

Correct. Nothing like Owens. Not in the least.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Not sure about the Henderson situation with teammates but I do know Landry never put up with problem players be it personal problems or additude problems. Things were done Toms way or you were gone.

I know Staubach had a huge problem with Henderson.

After reading Henderson's book, ' Out of Control ', I can see why Roger didn't want him on the team.

I always loved HH myself, ... of course I didn't know about the drugs, alcohol, women, etc. until after Landry let him go.

 

[Doomsday101]

I know Staubach had a huge problem with Henderson.

After reading Henderson's book, ' Out of Control ', I can see why Roger didn't want him on the team.

I always loved HH myself, ... of course I didn't know about the drugs, alcohol, women, etc. until after Landry let him go.

Like you I did not know of Henderson problem until after the fact. Things really went bad for him when he joined the Oilers after that he was history.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Like you I did not know of Henderson problem until after the fact. Things really went bad for him when he joined the Oilers after that he was history.

Dooms, have you read HH's book, if not you HAVE to. You will remember the games that he talks about.

He tells when he kicked butt, and when he got his butt kicked.

It is a great read, and just like TO & Randy Moss, he grew up without a father figure at all.

No surprise.

Not only do you not have a dad yourself for all of the things you need a dad for, but you resent the kids that have a dad.

Not only did he not have a dad, his mom and grandma were prostitutes.

Tough way to grow up.

 

[Doomsday101]

Dooms, have you read HH's book, if not you HAVE to. You will remember the games that he talks about.

He tells when he kicked butt, and when he got his butt kicked.

It is a great read, and just like TO & Randy Moss, he grew up without a father figure at all.

No surprise.

Not only do you not have a dad yourself for all of the things you need a dad for, but you resent the kids that have a dad.

Not only did he not have a dad, his mom and grandma were prostitutes.

Tough way to grow up.

Thanks and I'll see about getting his book. From a personal stand point I can feel for those guys but as football players I'm a firm believer in team and team work when it comes to team sports and when I see actions by a player who is creating a split in the team then I believe you remove that player. I know others have their own feeling about this subject some feel the only thing that matter is the performance of the player and while I think that is important as well I feel the team is more important than any one player. This is just the way I grew up believing when it comes to athletics and those values have not changed.

 

[Holloway805]

You know what ...some things are more important than trade bait values! Take TO for example ...no, I mean really take him! The watch your star turn into an asterisk!

Very well put.