The Draft Of All Drafts, Simply Mind Boggling

[DandyDon52]

Dallas went from using computers to using Jimmy's brain to using Jerry's brain

LOL That is like jumping off a cliff !

 

[DandyDon52]

Eight starters out of one draft, the 1975 Boys' draft, is clearly number 1. Nice runner-up to 1974 Steelers. Webster was an admitted steroids guy who died early because of such use. I doubt he would have made it without the roids.

Webster also had CTE.
Back then I am guessing alot of player used steroids, and other things.

 

[gtb1943]

In God’s Coach, his 1990 tell-all history of the Tom Landry-era Dallas Cowboys, Skip Bayless wrote that Randy White, the Cowboys’ Hall of Fame defensive lineman, started bulking up on steroids in the mid to late 1970s. He quotes White as saying he started using them after lining up against the Pittsburgh Steelers’ hulking offensive linemen. “Man”, White said, “I’d look across the line at those Steelers with their sleeves rolled up on those huge arms, and well, I had to do something. I figured they were using steroids too.”

skip bayless?
gotta do better than that POS

 

[gimmesix]

skip bayless?
gotta do better than that POS

Bayless used to be a halfway decent sportswriter. Then, he decided he wanted to be more than that.

This seems to be more about you not wanting to believe that the Manster did steroids. At the time he did it, not as much was known about steroids and they were not a banned substance. It was just something players did to get stronger without knowing consequences.

Here's a Tulsa World article about it if you want to pay to read it: https://tulsaworld.com/archive/article_a4763a35-4eaf-5e23-948a-ceb36527b594.html

I'll choose to believe Bayless in this instance because it just wasn't a big deal for players back then.

 

[fivetwos]

In God’s Coach, his 1990 tell-all history of the Tom Landry-era Dallas Cowboys, Skip Bayless wrote that Randy White, the Cowboys’ Hall of Fame defensive lineman, started bulking up on steroids in the mid to late 1970s. He quotes White as saying he started using them after lining up against the Pittsburgh Steelers’ hulking offensive linemen. “Man”, White said, “I’d look across the line at those Steelers with their sleeves rolled up on those huge arms, and well, I had to do something. I figured they were using steroids too.”

Strange you mention. As part of post #9 I was about to say if he used juice, so were the dudes trying to block him. Decided to pull it so as to not take away from the other point. I didn’t read that book either.

I dunno, if I was tasked with moving from LB to DT, I may have done the same.

 

[gtb1943]

Bayless used to be a halfway decent sportswriter. Then, he decided he wanted to be more than that.

This seems to be more about you not wanting to believe that the Manster did steroids. At the time he did it, not as much was known about steroids and they were not a banned substance. It was just something players did to get stronger without knowing consequences.

Here's a Tulsa World article about it if you want to pay to read it: https://tulsaworld.com/archive/article_a4763a35-4eaf-5e23-948a-ceb36527b594.html

I'll choose to believe Bayless in this instance because it just wasn't a big deal for players back then.

that is true about it not being a big deal back then; I just have found Bayless lied about so much that I will never take his word that day is day and night is night

 

[Flamma]

I thought another great play was Preston Pearson’s sidline catch on 4th down. Didnt see in the video. Roger was maginicent

It was at the 45 second mark of the video. I'm pretty sure it was 4th and 17. He caught it at the 50 yard line at the sideline. That saved the game. Game over if they don't convert.

You'll also see a security guard come in from right to left and attempt to kick Pearson while he was down.

 

[fivetwos]

Webster also had CTE.
Back then I am guessing alot of player used steroids, and other things.

Even into the Jimmy era…plenty of his players were coked out of their minds….but they also had a strong desire to WIN.

Now it’s all about the bag. As fans we don’t get any of that, we just get to fund it.

But hey, those that don’t know any other version of the game seem to like it, and like betting on it, so there we are.

 

[gimmesix]

Strange you mention. As part of post #9 I was about to say if he used juice, so were the dudes trying to block him. Decided to pull it so as to not take away from the other point. I didn’t read that book either.

I dunno, if I was tasked with moving from LB to DT, I may have done the same.

Back then, I don't think too many saw it as any worse than using any other bodybuilding supplement.

 

[gimmesix]

that is true about it not being a big deal back then; I just have found Bayless lied about so much that I will never take his word that day is day and night is night

As a newspaper editor, I'm not a fan of Bayless and his sensationalist form of journalism, but I've never seen any proof that he made up his newspaper reports. He did print rumors, such as some about Aikman, and I have little respect for that.

Here's a good article about his work: https://www.theringer.com/2016/09/0...s-really-wrote-about-troy-aikman-8aade8f5a612

 

[gtb1943]

As a newspaper editor, I'm not a fan of Bayless and his sensationalist form of journalism, but I've never seen any proof that he made up his newspaper reports. He did print rumors, such as some about Aikman, and I have little respect for that.

Here's a good article about his work: https://www.theringer.com/2016/09/0...s-really-wrote-about-troy-aikman-8aade8f5a612

Bayless printed unsubstantiated rumors that he wanted to be true
and then doubled down on when called out on them
if that is not lying its pretty much the same thing

 

[KJJ]

If someone said the Cowboys will have one draft like this, you would say it is impossible. But I was there many moons ago in NYC cheering on the greatest draft haul in NFL history:

1. Hall of Fame DT, an instant impact and generational talent
2. Three starting offensive linemen, two of who made the Pro Bowl several times
3. Three starting LB's, two of whom made Pro Bowl, one several times. The third was a solid starting LB. One LB ran a 9.5 100 yard dash and returned kickoffs as a rookie.
4. A strong safety who started only one year, 1979, but was a premier third safety who would play on passing downs and would have started on most NFL teams. He had All-Pros Cliff Harris and Charlie Waters ahead of him. He was a turnover machine.
5. A starting punter
6. A quality backup fullback, 3rd down back and and occasional starter, who came ready to play all roles as a rookie
7. A backup center and answer to a great trivia question: who was the center for Roger Staubach on the historic miraculous Hail Mary TD pass to Drew Pearson in the 1975 playoffs? The starting center John Fitzgerald had injured is right hand and could not snap well and this rookie #57 came in and became part of the legendary pass in Cowboys history. Everyone needs to see this final drive. Drew Pearson caught passes totaling 86 yards on this drive, a superman performance.

Introducing, the Dirty Dozen of 50 years ago, 1975! The greatest draft in NFL history.

	Misc				Passing	Rushing	Receiving
Rnd	Player	Pick	Pos	Yrs	From	To	AP1	PB	St	wAV	G	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	Rec	Yds	TD	College/Univ
1	Randy White HOF	2	DT	14	1975	1988	7	9	11	116	209				0				0			0	Maryland
1	Thomas Henderson	18	LB	6	1975	1980	0	1	3	29	75				0				0			0	Langston
2	Burton Lawless	44	G	6	1975	1980	0	0	1	22	82				0				0			0	Florida
3	Bob Breunig	70	LB	10	1975	1984	0	3	9	62	135				0				0	1	21	0	Arizona St.
4	Pat Donovan	90	T	9	1975	1983	0	4	7	64	129				0				0			0	Stanford
4	Randy Hughes	96	DB	6	1975	1980	0	0	1	19	77				0				0			0	Oklahoma
5	Kyle Davis	113	C	2	1975	1978	0	0	0	6	21				0				0			0	Oklahoma
6	Rolly Woolsey	148	DB	4	1975	1978	0	0	1	9	44				0				0			0	Boise St.
7	Mike Hegman	173	LB	12	1976	1987	0	0	8	54	170				0				0			0	Tennessee St.
8	Mitch Hoopes	200	P	3	1975	1977	0	0	0	3	25	1	3	21	0	0	3	23	0			0	Arizona
9															0				0			0	Rutgers
10									0														Millersville
11							0	0	0														Oregon St.
12																							Cincinnati
13	Herbert Scott	330	G	10	1975	1984	2	3	7	68	140				0				0			0	Virginia Union
14	Scott Laidlaw	356	RB

That draft (The Dirty Dozen) led to 3 SB appearances and 2 SB wins. The Cowboys appeared to be fading, having missed the playoffs the previous year for the first time since 1966. The Steelers had an even greater draft in 74 with 4 Hall of Famers. Randy White was the only Hall of Famer from the 75 draft.

 

[XXLMike]

 

[gimmesix]

Bayless printed unsubstantiated rumors that he wanted to be true
and then doubled down on when called out on them
if that is not lying its pretty much the same thing

He clearly claimed that they were rumors and said vaguely where they were coming from. He shouldn't have printed them, but I don't consider that the same as lying.

There are reporters who have actually made up stories. There's no evidence he made up the rumors, just that he was willing to print what he heard without confirmation.

We've had reliable sources tell us about something off the record before, but if we couldn't get them to go on the record or couldn't trace that to a source that would go on the record, then we didn't print it. That doesn't mean the information wasn't true, just that we couldn't prove it or get someone with credibility to confirm it.

 

[gtb1943]

He clearly claimed that they were rumors and said vaguely where they were coming from. He shouldn't have printed them, but I don't consider that the same as lying.

There are reporters who have actually made up stories. There's no evidence he made up the rumors, just that he was willing to print what he heard without confirmation.

We've had reliable sources tell us about something off the record before, but if we couldn't get them to go on the record or couldn't trace that to a source that would go on the record, then we didn't print it. That doesn't mean the information wasn't true, just that we couldn't prove it or get someone with credibility to confirm it.

Bluntly speaking this is all CYA crap
vague rumors is nothing; using them is lying
I remember all that crap he said about AIkman
I guess you do not
and not only Aikman either
this is the kind of mindset that has generated the media we have today

 

[speedkilz88]

Webster also had CTE.
Back then I am guessing alot of player used steroids, and other things.

Steelers trainers gave them steroids is what I always heard. Explains why so many of their players died fairly young.

 

[speedkilz88]

He clearly claimed that they were rumors and said vaguely where they were coming from. He shouldn't have printed them, but I don't consider that the same as lying.

There are reporters who have actually made up stories. There's no evidence he made up the rumors, just that he was willing to print what he heard without confirmation.

We've had reliable sources tell us about something off the record before, but if we couldn't get them to go on the record or couldn't trace that to a source that would go on the record, then we didn't print it. That doesn't mean the information wasn't true, just that we couldn't prove it or get someone with credibility to confirm it.

Skip has always made **** up.

 

[gimmesix]

Bluntly speaking this is all CYA crap
vague rumors is nothing; using them is lying
I remember all that crap he said about AIkman
I guess you do not
and not only Aikman either
this is the kind of mindset that has generated the media we have today

The only thing we disagree about is that using rumors is lying. The source of the rumors may be lying, but that doesn't mean the reporter is.

For example, if a city councilman tells you that an employee is doing something unethical, but you can't prove it and the councilman won't go on record, you have two choices. You either report what was said from a unanimous source that you trust or you swallow it even though it may be true.

Now, the things that Bayless reported weren't important enough to not swallow them. But again, he's a sensationalist, so he's going to report it and I disagree with that choice. However, he's also going to report it as rumors and mention it as being from sources that he trusts.

I do think you have to draw a line. We did report information from a source we trust because it indicated that a school district we cover was probably reporting inaccurate information so that an administrator could make himself look good. We could not prove what the source told us, but believed it served the public good to put that information out there and urge the school district to investigate or come clean. (We had already sat down with the superintendent and he had told us that he would look into it.) Because we couldn't get a source on record, I reported it in my column after it appeared that the school district wasn't going to pursue rather than in a news story, so that I could make it clear that we could not prove the information but had multiple reasons to trust the source.

The superintendent seemed more concern that the source at the school who talked to us didn't go to him. But the source said that he wasn't willing to do that because it could be a blackmark used against him for future employment. Others at the school weren't even willing to talk to us out of concerns about retribution.

It can be a dilemma. In addition to what he said about Aikman, which he shouldn't have reported, he also reported concerning a rift between Aikman and Switzer, with a lot of rumors involved. To me, if the sources were good, I have no problem with him reporting that because it affected the on-field product.

https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/1996/september/whats-killing-americas-team/

 

[gimmesix]

Skip has always made **** up.

Although I don't agree with that assessment concerning Bayless when he was a sports writer/columnist -- I think he was very well-sourced -- that's as far as I'm going to go to defend the man because I don't care at all for Bayless the talking head.

You guys want to trash him, go ahead, because his work on "First Take" and "Undisputed" deserves to be trashed.

 

[gtb1943]

The only thing we disagree about is that using rumors is lying. The source of the rumors may be lying, but that doesn't mean the reporter is.

For example, if a city councilman tells you that an employee is doing something unethical, but you can't prove it and the councilman won't go on record, you have two choices. You either report what was said from a unanimous source that you trust or you swallow it even though it may be true.

Now, the things that Bayless reported weren't important enough to not swallow them. But again, he's a sensationalist, so he's going to report it and I disagree with that choice. However, he's also going to report it as rumors and mention it as being from sources that he trusts.

I do think you have to draw a line. We did report information from a source we trust because it indicated that a school district we cover was probably reporting inaccurate information so that an administrator could make himself look good. We could not prove what the source told us, but believed it served the public good to put that information out there and urge the school district to investigate or come clean. (We had already sat down with the superintendent and he had told us that he would look into it.) Because we couldn't get a source on record, I reported it in my column after it appeared that the school district wasn't going to pursue rather than in a news story, so that I could make it clear that we could not prove the information but had multiple reasons to trust the source.

The superintendent seemed more concern that the source at the school who talked to us didn't go to him. But the source said that he wasn't willing to do that because it could be a blackmark used against him for future employment. Others at the school weren't even willing to talk to us out of concerns about retribution.

It can be a dilemma. In addition to what he said about Aikman, which he shouldn't have reported, he also reported concerning a rift between Aikman and Switzer, with a lot of rumors involved. To me, if the sources were good, I have no problem with him reporting that because it affected the on-field product.

https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/1996/september/whats-killing-americas-team/

anonymous sources are so convenient
covers a multitude of lying