The effects of age and Dak Prescott

[CCBoy]

"The routine that I have, all the things I do to take care of my body, will add longevity to my career," he said. "That's why I've been doing it and why I've operated the way I've been since I've been here. I've been trying to have a long career. That's been the plan. At least eight [years] was the plan, so I think we're still in that realm.

"Once we get there, I'll check in and see how my body feels and if we can keep going."

And, with that, he stepped out of the TV studio and, surprise surprise, got back to work.

The real off season!!

 

[Johannes44]

Do you think wear and tear is a myth?

I mean, you think Dak is a great QB, so you clearly don't operate in the same reality as most.

He wasn't even in the realm of great when he was a rookie. Time and injuries haven't made him better.

 

[TwentyOne]

Get your story straight. Those are your own handicapping the picture. Tons has been posted on the truth of his ability and he does still have good strength.

No it hasnt. Not here in this forum.

There are some who call you a hater if you dare to say something about their beloved qb. If you think that as "ton" i admit you are right. Those insults weight heavy. But to be honest those trolls have been missing lately. For our all sake.

Else i never read any serious pamphlets about his skillset. Other than he is a great leader. Which is also only an empty phrase. Nobody ever put in the effort to define what a great leader is, what kind of skills are needed to be one. And what kind of those skills and to what degree dak is owning.

Maybe when you state such things why dont you start with it? Fill those empty phrases with life. So we actually have something we can talk about.

But it seems you chose to offend me too rather then put in some work to convince me (and a lot of others who see it the way i do).

 

[Johannes44]

serious pamphlete about his skillset.

Look at the draft analysis they did of him coming out of college. Then look at where he is today and see if he has improved any of the knocks they had against him.

 

[CCBoy]

He wasn't even in the realm of great when he was a rookie. Time and injuries haven't made him better.

You just ignore all just printed and personalized a term of whipping boy. You go...

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[TwentyOne]

Look at the draft analysis they did of him coming out of college. Then look at where he is today and see if he has improved any of the knocks they had against him.

This is not about me conving the poster i answered to. He made some statements. He used the same empty words all of daks fanboys use. I asked him to find some proper arguments to fill his phrases wird life. Until now he isnt able to.

And yes of course i read his college analysis. I also watched his college career. And no, he did not get better during his NFL career if thats what you want to know. But i think you know that already.

He is what he was coming out of college, with all those negative traits he already had and his lack of talent. I think most college analysis were ok in that way.

Now he regressed in his last 4 seasons and cant be seen as an below average NFL QB anymore.

The only positive thing he had coming out of college was his "running" ability. I put that in "" because he was never seen as a good runner. But his physical trait in college (build as a LB) helped him with his running style. As a runner he lacks Vision badly and cant read certain players on a constant basis. Now after his injury he is mentally beaten. He has even lost his biggest asset - if you want to call an average running ability an asset.

 

[CCBoy]

This is not about me conving the poster i answered to. He made some Statements. I asked him to find some proper arguments for his empty phrases.

And yes of course i read his college analysis. I also watched his college career. And no, he did not get better during his NFL career if thats what you want to know. But i think you know that already.

He is what he was coming out of college, with all those negative traits he already had and his lack of talent. I think most college analyses where ok.

Now he regressed his last 4 seasons and cant be seen as an below average NFL QB anymore.

You got to be better at checkers. He was rated a strong and scrambling quarterback. What round did Romo come to further relate to supposing here?

 

[visionary]

Dak Prescott is the only living being on the planet not affected by aging

Next @CCBoy will tell us how Dak walked on water in front of his eyes

 

[CCBoy]

No it hasnt. Not here in this forum.

There are some who call you a hater if you dare to say something about their beloved qb. If you think that as "ton" i admit you are right. Those insults weight heavy. But to be honest those trolls have been missing lately. For our all sake.

Else i never read any serious pamphlets about his skillset. Other than he is a great leader. Which is also only an empty phrase. Nobody ever put in the effort to define what a great leader is, what kind of skills are needed to be one. And what kind of those skills and to what degree dak is owning.

Maybe when you state such things why dont you start with it? Fill those empty phrases with life. So we actually have something we can talk about.

But it seems you chose to offend me too rather then put in some work to convince me (and a lot of others who see it the way i do).

First off, the OP was a look at elements to consider before a quick cast off of any quarterback with a label, too old and lack of confidence. First aspect was the use of an age label doesn't affect effectiveness of play. You must not have read my comment about Green from here at my A&I...

You had an agenda instead, then targeted me to try throw it at.

Sorry Charlie all isn't a trash Jerry or hairy, when you see a name included with a specific topic presented. That cheapens discussion and actually unethical. Get your dislike voice in the right place and leave one's stereotyped slander un directed. Carry on now...

 

[Vtwin]

He was rated a strong and scrambling quarterback.

Here you go. Notice the first sentences in the Weaknesses section. Already showing signs of wear and tear.

Don't shoot the messenger.

Overview​

Hard to find an NFL comp for Prescott because he's built like Donovan McNabb, but lacks McNabb's ability and polish. Prescott has NFL size, mobility and enough arm, but the tape shows a player who must improve his mechanics, poise and quickness through his progressions if he is to become a full-time starter in the NFL. There are absolutely draftable traits and upside, but he will need extended work to smooth out his flaws. Until then, a team would be wise to utilize him on short-yardage packages.

Strengths​

Thick, muscular frame. Has proven over last three seasons that he can withstand a pounding. Has enough natural arm strength and hip snap to fit throws into an NFL window. Stands tall and delivers a tight spiral with over-the-top delivery. Very little windup and gets ball out with the flick of a wrist. When pocket is clean, can deliver accurate strikes around the field. Played with improved vision and care for football this season and eliminated many of the ill-fated throws that turned into interceptions in 2014. Still a work in progress, but continues to show a level of growth as a passer. Threat with his legs, scoring 37 rushing touchdowns over last three seasons and had 94 rushes of ten yards or more during that time. Can be used as goal-line rushing option. Willing to extend plays outside of pocket with legs but look to finish the play with his arm. Mentally tough enough to carry a heavy offensive burden for the Bulldogs over last three years. When protected better in 2014, showed an ability to challenge deep and strike with accuracy and touch.

Weaknesses​

Beat up this year thanks to poor protection. When he wasn't being sacked, he was being hit hard. Not as competitive a rusher in 2015. Sacks and usage in run game might be taking a toll. Increase in short pass attempts from 86 to 208 this year reason for higher completion numbers. Accuracy on intermediate and deep throws dropped sharply. Pocket poise has been compromised. Hyper aware of pressure around him and lacks awareness to slide and find temporary shelter to make throw. Concern over pressure too often trumps ability to get through progressions. Must speed up the pace of his reads. Footwork is a mess. Slight stride onto stiff upper leg with little weight shift. Restricted follow through and too often tries to muscle throws with upper body. Throws to target rather than leading or throwing them open on short/intermediate throws. Too respectful of underneath coverage and must be more willing to challenge the defense. Needs to improve anticipation.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/dak-prescott/32005052-4528-5723-d1b2-96e92ebc1241

 

[TwentyOne]

You got to be better at checkers. He was rated a strong and scrambling quarterback. What round did Romo come to further relate to supposing here?

Yes? Really? A strong and scrambling QB? Where do you have that from

Please post some sources for that.


Here is a profile that doesnt state what you wrote.

Source:
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/dak-prescott/32005052-4528-5723-d1b2-96e92ebc1241

Propect grade: Average backup or special-teamer

Nowhere i read he is a strong runner. He is build like mcnabb (thick) if you mean strong like that. Thats true.

A scrambling QB? Sorry, dont make yourself a joke just because your trying to up your beloved QB. He sucked as a scrambler even during his college career. But maybe you dont understand the meaning of a scrambling QB the right way.

"Hyper aware of pressure around him and lacks awareness to slide and find temporary shelter to make throw. Concern over pressure too often trumps ability to get through progressions."


Basicly the same crap we had to watch the last 9 years. And thats my point anyway. Read thru some college analysis and then compare them to what you got from him during his NFL career. I doubt you will find that he isnt what those scouts expected from him to be.

And that is not even a knock against him. You just dont draft such players and put him under constant pressure to be successful on a professional level. Where the guy wasnt even able to compete on a constant level in college.

 

[CCBoy]

Here you go. Notice the first sentences in the Weaknesses section. Already showing signs of wear and tear.

Don't shoot the messenger.

Overview​

Hard to find an NFL comp for Prescott because he's built like Donovan McNabb, but lacks McNabb's ability and polish. Prescott has NFL size, mobility and enough arm, but the tape shows a player who must improve his mechanics, poise and quickness through his progressions if he is to become a full-time starter in the NFL. There are absolutely draftable traits and upside, but he will need extended work to smooth out his flaws. Until then, a team would be wise to utilize him on short-yardage packages.

Strengths​

Thick, muscular frame. Has proven over last three seasons that he can withstand a pounding. Has enough natural arm strength and hip snap to fit throws into an NFL window. Stands tall and delivers a tight spiral with over-the-top delivery. Very little windup and gets ball out with the flick of a wrist. When pocket is clean, can deliver accurate strikes around the field. Played with improved vision and care for football this season and eliminated many of the ill-fated throws that turned into interceptions in 2014. Still a work in progress, but continues to show a level of growth as a passer. Threat with his legs, scoring 37 rushing touchdowns over last three seasons and had 94 rushes of ten yards or more during that time. Can be used as goal-line rushing option. Willing to extend plays outside of pocket with legs but look to finish the play with his arm. Mentally tough enough to carry a heavy offensive burden for the Bulldogs over last three years. When protected better in 2014, showed an ability to challenge deep and strike with accuracy and touch.

Weaknesses​

Beat up this year thanks to poor protection. When he wasn't being sacked, he was being hit hard. Not as competitive a rusher in 2015. Sacks and usage in run game might be taking a toll. Increase in short pass attempts from 86 to 208 this year reason for higher completion numbers. Accuracy on intermediate and deep throws dropped sharply. Pocket poise has been compromised. Hyper aware of pressure around him and lacks awareness to slide and find temporary shelter to make throw. Concern over pressure too often trumps ability to get through progressions. Must speed up the pace of his reads. Footwork is a mess. Slight stride onto stiff upper leg with little weight shift. Restricted follow through and too often tries to muscle throws with upper body. Throws to target rather than leading or throwing them open on short/intermediate throws. Too respectful of underneath coverage and must be more willing to challenge the defense. Needs to improve anticipation.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/dak-prescott/32005052-4528-5723-d1b2-96e92ebc1241

That was when no Dallas draft was graded favorably and the Scouts were nailing All Pro's in the first round.

They implied he was unable to make his own way out of the john.

 

[CCBoy]

Dak Prescott is the only living being on the planet not affected by aging

Next @CCBoy will tell us how Dak walked on water in front of his eyes

Nope, that garbage is all yours.

 

[TwentyOne]

Here you go. Notice the first sentences in the Weaknesses section. Already showing signs of wear and tear.

Don't shoot the messenger.

Good that you posted this. Thats what i expected.

To clarify: you are not a messanger. A messanger delivers a message. You interpret it. You put words into it that arent there. And i expected exactly this.

This is something i have realized over the years in this forum. Most people here dont read what was written. They read what they want to hear. Its tough to argue with those people. If you have someone in front of you who is not able to read the exact words you cant expect him to understand reality at all.

So you say because a player is already showing signs of wear and tear (after just one season of college football) this means he is a strong runner and a good scrambler? That is wrong.

Where in this profile is explicitly mentioned he is a good scrambler? Where do they write "strong runner "

All they say is he is very weak in the pocket (which good scramblers are not) and they point out that he seems not to be dureable (which good runners are).



Now compare that profile to his NFL career and tell me where he is something else.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

%grow that hamstring back onto the bone with the power of positive thinking! You are only as old as you think you are.

Certainly I'm not to the physical level of an NFL quarterback but just noting that I tore about 90% of my biicep tendon off the bone a couple of years ago, required surgery including drilling a hole in the ulna to reattach the tendon.
After recovery I asked the doc what I could do with the arm and he said, "Anything you want".

I'm back to doing just as much weight in arm workouts and other things as before.

So it's entirely possible he'll have no further problems with the hamstring. He also could have, of course, but it's a matter of "we'll see", not assuming it will cause further problems.

Modern medicine is amazing, don't count anybody out.

 

[Vtwin]

To clarify: you are not a messanger. A messanger delivers a message. You interpret it. You put words into it that arent there. And i expected exactly this.

I am confused. What words did I put in the pre-draft summary that I copied directly from NFL.com?

 

[CCBoy]

Yes? Really? A strong and scrambling QB? Where do you have that from

Please post some sources for that.


Here is a profile that doesnt state what you wrote.

Source:
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/dak-prescott/32005052-4528-5723-d1b2-96e92ebc1241

Propect grade: Average backup or special-teamer

Nowhere i read he is a strong runner. He is build like mcnabb (thick) if you mean strong like that. Thats true.

A scrambling QB? Sorry, dont make yourself a joke just because your trying to up your beloved QB. He sucked as a scrambler even during his college career. But maybe you dont understand the meaning of a scrambling QB the right way.

"Hyper aware of pressure around him and lacks awareness to slide and find temporary shelter to make throw. Concern over pressure too often trumps ability to get through progressions."


Basicly the same crap we had to watch the last 9 years. And thats my point anyway. Read thru some college analysis and then compare them to what you got from him during his NFL career. I doubt you will find that he isnt what those scouts expected from him to be.

And that is not even a knock against him. You just dont draft such players and put him under constant pressure to be successful on a professional level. Where the guy wasnt even able to compete on a constant level in college.

Blogging the Boys...

2016 Cowboys’ Draft Class Was Best Ever For Rookie Approximate Value​

The Dallas Cowboys have had some great drafts in their storied history, but using one metric, no other draft class matches the 2016 group in approximate value.

Football Reference’s player season finder query for these results.

Rk​	Player​	Year ▼​	Age​	Draft​	Tm​	G​	GS​	PB​	AP1​	AV​
1​	Ezekiel Elliott​	2016​	21​	1-4​	DAL​	15​	15​	1​	1​	16​
2​	Dak Prescott​	2016​	23​	4-135​	DAL​	16​	16​	1​	0​	16​
3​	Maliek Collins​	2016​	21​	3-67​	DAL​	16​	14​	0​	0​	7​
4​	Anthony Brown​	2016​	23​	6-189​	DAL​	16​	10​	0​	0​	4​
5​	La'el Collins​	2015​	22​	UDFA​	DAL​	12​	11​	0​	0​	4​
6​	Byron Jones​	2015​	23​	1-27​	DAL​	16​	11​	0​	0​	4​
7​	Zack Martin​	2014​	24​	1-16​	DAL​	16​	16​	1​	1​	14​
8​	Anthony Hitchens​	2014​	22​	4-119​	DAL​	16​	11​	0​	0​	6​
9​	Travis Frederick​	2013​	22​	1-31​	DAL​	16​	16​	0​	0​	8​
10​	Terrance Williams​	2013​	24​	3-74​	DAL​	16​	8​	0​	0​	7​
11​	Morris Claiborne​	2012​	22​	6-Jan​	DAL​	15​	15​	0​	0​	6​
12​	Tyron Smith​	2011​	21​	1-9​	DAL​	16​	16​	0​	0​	9​
13​	DeMarco Murray​	2011​	23​	3-71​	DAL​	13​	7​	0​	0​	7​
14​	Dan Bailey​	2011​	23​	UDFA​	DAL​	16​	0​	0​	0​	4​
15​	Dez Bryant​	2010​	22​	1-24​	DAL​	12​	2​	0​	0​	7​
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https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...pproximate-value-dak-prescott-ezekiel-elliott

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I'm more concerned about Dak's mental outlook than his physical outlook.

The saying "success breeds success" is imho true far more often than no. Dak's had regular season success, but his playoff shortcomings, except for the Tampa playoff win, I think has to weigh on him.

Failure after failure can wear you down just as physical injuries can. At some point doubt about being able to perform to the high enough level to win a SB can creep in. Especially if Jerry doesn't do enough to build a good team around him. Any qb needs a good team around him to win SBs. Some can "elevate the players around hm" to a good degree, but nobody was taking the 1989 Cowboys to a SB win that year, or even in 1990 or 1991. The NFL is a tough place to win championships.

Get sacked 40 times a year for a couple of years and frustration will set in. Dak's no different. He's got about 2 years I would think to make the leap to SB contender, after that it's extremely unlike to occur.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Look at the draft analysis they did of him coming out of college. Then look at where he is today and see if he has improved any of the knocks they had against him.

Wow, just read the Lance Zierlein scouting report.... it could of been written for this up coming draft.

 

[CCBoy]

I'm more concerned about Dak's mental outlook than his physical outlook.

The saying "success breeds success" is imho true far more often than no. Dak's had regular season success, but his playoff shortcomings, except for the Tampa playoff win, I think has to weigh on him.

Failure after failure can wear you down just as physical injuries can. At some point doubt about being able to perform to the high enough level to win a SB can creep in. Especially if Jerry doesn't do enough to build a good team around him. Any qb needs a good team around him to win SBs. Some can "elevate the players around hm" to a good degree, but nobody was taking the 1989 Cowboys to a SB win that year, or even in 1990 or 1991. The NFL is a tough place to win championships.

Get sacked 40 times a year for a couple of years and frustration will set in. Dak's no different. He's got about 2 years I would think to make the leap to SB contender, after that it's extremely unlike to occur.

Trying to just put it up without a clear advantage needs work. He needs a focus reinforcement to not over and under throw his passes. Other wise it's protection times. Both offensive tackles need their butts worked off.