The feasibility of a trade

Galian Beast

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First let me start off by saying that I don't think a trade would be impossible. I just think it is really unlikely. I think Stephen Jones' comments that a trade is possible is really different from the language we were hearing over the last couple weeks. I think if a team feels they need to move a player next week we will certainly look at what it would take to get them, and whether or not it was worth it, but waiting another week makes it easier to absorb any hit, so it makes sense why we wouldn't have done anything this week. Also teams are going to be more willing to do something next week, especially if they lose.

Let's start with Adrian Peterson. First thing I would say is this couldn't be Herschel Walker 2.0 I'd give at most a 1st and a 3rd and maybe some combination of players like Austin and Murray (but trading Austin makes the 2014 cap situation much more difficult to handle, especially adding a contract like APs).

So what is the score? Waiting until after this weeks games, APs remaining salary will be 6 million for the year. Which is the cheapest it can get before the trade deadline.

AP has 7 years in the league so his minimum base salary is 840k. To be honest, I'm not sure how this calculates in a trade. Since he has already been paid 840k, I don't know if its possible to convert the entire 6 million into signing bonus, or if 840k or some percentage of that has to remain based on how many weeks are left in the season.

Let's assume that it has to be a minimum of 840k so we can test the feasibility if that is the case. Spreading the remainder over 5 years of his contract would be 1.032 million per year + 840k for this year = 1.872 million. We currently have 1.748 million, so we'd have to work some things out in the cap, and we wouldn't have any room to sign roster churning players anymore without doing additional moves. Assuming that 840k doesn't factor in you could take the 6 million, spread it over 5 years, and it would be 1.2 million this year, which would fit under the cap.

Obviously the issue would be how to handle APs future salary, but if AP were already a cowboy I don't think many people would suggest that we cut him.

So I think the major problem is how much would we have to give the Vikings for him.

Here are other players we are being discussed in trades and how much they would cost this year:

Jared Allen - 7,560,320 we would have to extend him to a minimum of a 4 year (3 more years) deal depending on what the rule is on salary minimums and how much we could move around on the cap.

Maurice Jones Drew - 2,620,588 we would have to at least extend him a year, and obviously he would want more than that. I honestly don't think it would be worth trading for MJD, though I could be wrong.

Putting Miles Austin in a trade would save us 2.911 million dollars this year, though it would be a pain to deal with all of his dead money next year, but we would still save 400k dollars. So on one hand it would make any trade this year MUCH easier, where as, it would make handling someone's large contract next year, much more difficult. I think Miles Austin actually has decent trade quality. His final year is unworkable, but the first two are extremely manageable. I just don't know who would want to take a risk on those hamstrings. Maybe the Colts or Falcons would bite? I don't know, I doubt it. I think it would come down to trading him for like a 7th round draft pick or a conditional 7th round draft pick just to get him off the roster mid season.
 

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Garretts approach is not the "one player is missing" one.

I honestly doubt we will see such a trade nor does it make any sense to me.
 

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Garretts approach is not the "one player is missing" one.

I honestly doubt we will see such a trade nor does it make any sense to me.

And its the correct approach. This isn't the NBA or MLB. There is no "one player missing" in the NFL. Not even AP.
 

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Garretts approach is not the "one player is missing" one.

I honestly doubt we will see such a trade nor does it make any sense to me.

One player is missing is a bit of an over exaggeration.

I think we could take this team to the super bowl as is right now, just depends on how things shake out, and whether or not the team continues to improve on offense and defense. What would certainly help in that regard is a player like Allen or Peterson in my opinion.

I think both players fundamentally change us on offense and defense. And I think any fundamental change on offense or defense puts us in a much higher tier than we currently are. You have Ware, Hatcher, Allen, and all of a sudden our secondary isn't going to be suspect, because the pass rush would be there in spades. You get Adrian Peterson, and all of a sudden teams are forced to respect the run. The inability to blitz Romo with the weapons we have on offense would make us the best offense in the nfl, yeah... even better than the Broncos.

So, yeah I think we are one catalytic player away from being not just super bowl contenders, but super bowl favorites.

Let me give you an example of the difference Peterson makes to a QB.

Favre's QB rating in NY the year before he came to Minnesota was an 81. In Minnesota 107.2... Romo currently has a 101.6 QB rating (and that is slanted heavily by 3 picks that I wouldn't necessarily put on him). You add AP to the mix and this offense would not only be complete, but it would be unstoppable.

As I said, the only thing that would keep me from pulling the trigger on getting AP is the compensation that Minnesota would want, but I would suggest that trading for AP would put us in the Super Bowl and fundamentally change this franchise.
 

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And its the correct approach. This isn't the NBA or MLB. There is no "one player missing" in the NFL. Not even AP.

I would point to the Patriots acquiring Randy Moss in 2007. That acquisition transformed the Patriots into one of the greatest offenses in NFL history, allowed them to go undefeated though they ultimately lost in the super bowl by a small margin.

What was Tom Brady's QB rating in 2006? 87.9
In 2007? 117.2
 

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I'd say that the addition of Terrell Davis is what allowed John Elway to win a super bowl.

We're getting to that time where we need to make some bold moves. Romo, Witten, Ware? They aren't spring chickens. If we go through their careers without winning a super bowl, it'll be a ridiculous shame.

I think getting AP, could give Romo 2 rings and the respect he deserves. If we can manage to get him for the right price, I don't hesitate, not for a single second.

All that being said, I still don't think it would happen. I'm just playing devils advocate.
 

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The idea of seeing Peterson in a Cowboys uniform gets me smiling. Would having him play for Dallas help the Cowboys get a ring? It damn sure wouldnt hurt. IMO he is far and away the best running back in the game. I just dont see it happening. I wont deny that I dont have much of an idea how the salary cap works but from what I hear it just doesnt sound like Dallas can afford Peterson. Id also worry about the draft picks that it would cost.
 

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I'd love to see AP play for the Boys but the cap ain't gonna let it happen. Jerry would probably overcompensate the Vikes or Ziggy would ask a astronomical amount to get him because of the amount of lost revenue they will see with no more AP. The Bucs are now 0-7 so maybe they'll have a dumpster fire with the likes of Gerald McCoy hitting the trading block.
 

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amount of lost revenue they will see with no more AP.

Wow, thats actually something I never even thought about. Can you imagine how pissed they would be? 50k fans arent gonna show up to see Jared Allen.
 

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I'd love to see AP play for the Boys but the cap ain't gonna let it happen. Jerry would probably overcompensate the Vikes or Ziggy would ask a astronomical amount to get him because of the amount of lost revenue they will see with no more AP. The Bucs are now 0-7 so maybe they'll have a dumpster fire with the likes of Gerald McCoy hitting the trading block.

I agree the compensation would be a problem, but the idea that we can't fit him in the salary cap isn't true. We absolutely could. As for Gerald McCoy, I don't see why Tampa Bay would trade a star DT who is 25 years old. Even if they rebuild this team, he would be part of it. Not to mention that he is extremely expensive, and his second contract would be even more money than the current one that runs out in 2 years.
 

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Wow, thats actually something I never even thought about. Can you imagine how pissed they would be? 50k fans arent gonna show up to see Jared Allen.

I think the Vikings are in a really tough situation. AP might put fans in seats, but next year they're going to have to draft a QB, and they're going to have to build around this QB. That process could take a while. It's not like they have a top ranked defense there either. They've got the 29th ranked defense (pts per game).

You're going to need to start from scratch next year. They'll probably get the #1 overall draft pick, but they'll still need some other picks to help them rebuild. If I'm the Vikings I'm asking for two first round draft picks, if I'm the cowboys I'm offering a 1st, a 3rd, and murray or a 1st, austin, and murray.

By giving them Murray they don't need to get a running back right away, by giving them austin in addition to jennings and patterson who they already have, they could have a receiver corps that potentially if austin could stay healthy could help a rookie qb out. Then they get an additional first round draft pick from us (though they would have to expect it to be 32) Helps you at least draft a lineman to help said QB.

I don't know, they have to do something, rebuilding with a running back who is going to be 29 in March, I call that fools game.

When it comes to Jared Allen, I don't even know if they're going to be able to resign him. I certainly wouldn't suggest it. They've got to spread their money around because they aren't good enough to afford someone like Allen at his age.
 

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I like the idea of Gerald McCoy. Make it happen. Would settle DT for the next 5-6. Try giving a 2nd. But I'd probably give a 1st.
 

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I like the idea of Gerald McCoy. Make it happen. Would settle DT for the next 5-6. Try giving a 2nd. But I'd probably give a 1st.

Why would they trade him for a first round pick? That doesn't even make sense...
 

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What would they ask for?

I don't think they would want to trade him for anything reasonable. I mean they drafted him 3rd overall, he is a captain of their team, and one of their best players. He is only 25. Why would they want to trade him, he would be part of any rebuilding effort they do there.
 

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Trading away premium draft picks only works when you are "1 player away".


Hate to break the news to you guys, but we are are not just 1 player away......................this has EPIC FAIL written all over it...............think Roy Williams trade.
 

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Would absolutely love AD on the Cowboys but doesn't make sense cap wise never mind the cost to acquire him. Claiborne for Von Miller makes more sense. Both are still on their rook salaries and fit needs for both teams.

The suspension for weed actually helps Cowboys because it decreases Miller's value.
 

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I just can't see a trade for a top player like AP or Allen happening...the team trading for those guys or other potentially available guys are in the driver's seat. sure, they can look at their playoff chances this year and realize that they aren't going anywhere, and tanking has it's advantages in the draft....but, it takes two to tango and I would hope that any deals made from the Cowboys end are little ones at best where we give up a 6th or 7th to plug a hole (MJD for a 6th, or a DL for a 7th as examples)....the cap is not our friend right now, I would prefer going to battle with what we have, especially if we get through this week with a win
 

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I hate the thought of giving up 1st and 3rd for any one player, we've been down this road before and it failed every time. The draft picks are premium and would rather keep them and be frugal with draft, yes I know Cowboys FO hasn't done well in the past but I feel like they have done a good job last few years and will continue to do so.

Personally, I'm ok with our RB corp right now and feel we don't need Peterson.
 

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I would point to the Patriots acquiring Randy Moss in 2007. That acquisition transformed the Patriots into one of the greatest offenses in NFL history, allowed them to go undefeated though they ultimately lost in the super bowl by a small margin.

What was Tom Brady's QB rating in 2006? 87.9
In 2007? 117.2

We could trade Austin to NE for a 2nd.
 
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