The Football Educator: Sizing Up the 2014 Cowboys Defense

jobberone

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Yeah, it's pretty irrelevant whether it's worse than the historically bad defense they were last year. (Which reminds me, Rod Marinelli is amazing)

The question is will it be any good? The answer is no. Because they lack a ton of talent up front.

Going out on a limb saying they won't be good?? If they are middle of the road and the offense scores a bit more then we contend.
 

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Going out on a limb saying they won't be good?? If they are middle of the road and the offense scores a bit more then we contend.
What he said is that the talent up front is not there. And he's right. What talent we do have there is injured (Lee), unproven (Lawrence, Crawford), or coming off injury, (Melton, Spencer), or messed up in the head (McClain). Beyond that there is a bunch of journeymen that we are hoping can play well beyond their skillset.

And for anyone who says "if only McClain has his head on straight" just remember that the Ravens, who have way more info about his personal life or anything else than us or even the Cowboys, just gave him away for a ham sandwich. Clearly they don't think he is looking like comeback player of the year. [/Mickey]

Frankly, I think less had to go right last year for this defense to be merely ok than has to go right this year. And that is saying something.
 

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What he said is that the talent up front is not there. And he's right. What talent we do have there is injured (Lee), unproven (Lawrence, Crawford), or coming off injury, (Melton, Spencer), or messed up in the head (McClain). Beyond that there is a bunch of journeymen that we are hoping can play well beyond their skillset.

And for anyone who says "if only McClain has his head on straight" just remember that the Ravens, who have way more info about his personal life or anything else than us or even the Cowboys, just gave him away for a ham sandwich. Clearly they don't think he is looking like comeback player of the year. [/Mickey]

Frankly, I think less had to go right last year for this defense to be merely ok than has to go right this year. And that is saying something.

My point is we don't know that. I suspect most of us will wish we had more talent up front but it doesn't mean we won't have a reasonably effective rush giving enough pressure to be average. But to always expect the worse has got to be boring and not fun.
 

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My point is we don't know that. I suspect most of us will wish we had more talent up front but it doesn't mean we won't have a reasonably effective rush giving enough pressure to be average. But to always expect the worse has got to be boring and not fun.

Doesn't sound like much fun to expect the improbable just to be let down


Especially not time after time after time
 

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we got a a little good results from street agents last year
I say this year we get better.
now this argument will resolve itself during or after the season.
either way this will be an interesting season
 

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My point is we don't know that. I suspect most of us will wish we had more talent up front but it doesn't mean we won't have a reasonably effective rush giving enough pressure to be average. But to always expect the worse has got to be boring and not fun.

I'm not "expecting" the worst. I am, and without putting words in Risen's mouth I suspect he is, doing what we all do this time of year. Speculating on what will be based on what we are going into the year with.

Again, quite frankly, this defense looked better on paper last year at this time than it does this year. There is certainly more potential this year, but also a ton more questions that simply have to fall right IMO for us to improve. Considering we are starting from a baseline of "worst in franchise history" last season, I think a little pessimism is understandable.
 

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My point is we don't know that. I suspect most of us will wish we had more talent up front but it doesn't mean we won't have a reasonably effective rush giving enough pressure to be average. But to always expect the worse has got to be boring and not fun.

From just reading this post , it seems like preseason hope has got you. For them to put an average defense on the field, it will take all of these questions having positive answers . It would be a huge accomplishment. Guys like Crawford, Mo, Carter and several others , would all have to play their best. The chances of that are slim. Injuries will get a few and some of them are just not as good as fans are hoping they will be. Some of these guys that gave been mentioned as "players to watch", won't make the team. I hope there are some surprises, but the reality not the situation is that there is going to be some unexpected failures.
 

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Yeah, it's pretty irrelevant whether it's worse than the historically bad defense they were last year. (Which reminds me, Rod Marinelli is amazing)

The question is will it be any good? The answer is no. Because they lack a ton of talent up front.

Think back a couple of years, Callahan coached an oline that set team records for low rushing yardage. He was promoted to OC. Marinelli coached one of the worst Dlines in team history and he gets promoted to DC. Is something wrong with the team's system of promoting coaches?
 

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From just reading this post , it seems like preseason hope has got you. For them to put an average defense on the field, it will take all of these questions having positive answers . It would be a huge accomplishment. Guys like Crawford, Mo, Carter and several others , would all have to play their best. The chances of that are slim. Injuries will get a few and some of them are just not as good as fans are hoping they will be. Some of these guys that gave been mentioned as "players to watch", won't make the team. I hope there are some surprises, but the reality not the situation is that there is going to be some unexpected failures.

That's not vault retained values alone...as there are still carry over injury issues, that if answered positively could swing strongly in a positive direction.

First the physical return of Melton to pre-injury conditions, is a must for this defensive line to return to a stronger front.

I think that he will, and be the magic he was just a couple seasons removed. He still possesses youth to his credit.

The people available right now, such as Lawrence, Crawford, Selvie, the two recently signed journeymen, and the other 'three rooks,' will give the function of at least an average pass rush and rotation, indicating good depth on the field. This alone, will keep the team better into a 4th quarter type of game. That completely missing last season, but not the season before.

Get a tough, 'no name' defense up front, and the linebacker/secondary groups suddenly get a lot better in play.

But there is another dimension that we haven't yet see play out. That being the potential that the additions of Anthony Spencer and Okoye would add to that very picture. If added, and realisticly effective in their projections, this defensive unit would have more of a dog pack mentality and role. I'm thinking with that picture, they could tree a bear or cat.
 

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Think back a couple of years, Callahan coached an oline that set team records for low rushing yardage. He was promoted to OC. Marinelli coached one of the worst Dlines in team history and he gets promoted to DC. Is something wrong with the team's system of promoting coaches?

I like to think upon that as disaster relief...but Callahan settled to his value level on this team, as well as team need for development. This is using managerial talent to it's advantage, possibly. Marinelli is a huge motivator, and when developing defensive line aggression and skills, who could be better?

As to improve production in a talented offensive picture, now, a coach was then brought in that expands ability to strike.

If I were a player and viewing that progression, I'd be thinking, MANAGE ME!
 

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Think back a couple of years, Callahan coached an oline that set team records for low rushing yardage. He was promoted to OC. Marinelli coached one of the worst Dlines in team history and he gets promoted to DC. Is something wrong with the team's system of promoting coaches?

This post is very disingenuous, Callahan did not have much to work with. He had the 2nd year player in Tyron Smith who switched over to left tackle for the first time, an undrafted rookie in Leary and an underperforming Free, that's it talent wise.

Marinelli had the same issues, the injuries on the DL have been discussed. He had an injured Ware and a bunch of no names off the street.
 

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This post is very disingenuous, Callahan did not have much to work with. He had the 2nd year player in Tyron Smith who switched over to left tackle for the first time, an undrafted rookie in Leary and an underperforming Free, that's it talent wise.

Marinelli had the same issues, the injuries on the DL have been discussed. He had an injured Ware and a bunch of no names off the street.

It is fact , any way that you look at it. Callahan stunk it up after having two if his free agents that he picked out himself , brought in to start . Funny how things changed when a new coach was brought in. Marinelli is given credit for some street free agents that played on the worst Dline in the league. They was horrible, but he gets credit like they were all pros. They was bad, just as expected. How is this great coaching?
 

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It is fact , any way that you look at it. Callahan stunk it up after having two if his free agents that he picked out himself , brought in to start . Funny how things changed when a new coach was brought in. Marinelli is given credit for some street free agents that played on the worst Dline in the league. They was horrible, but he gets credit like they were all pros. They was bad, just as expected. How is this great coaching?

When one is carrying a base plate for a 4.2" mortar, and you are up to your thighs in mud...it just doesn't get easier. But you still have to carry ammo boxes on multiple return trips for a fire mission.
 

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When one is carrying a base plate for a 4.2" mortar, and you are up to your thighs in mud...it just doesn't get easier. But you still have to carry ammo boxes on multiple return trips for a fire mission.

I'll make sure to remember that.
 

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For me the situation in Dallas is pretty obvious. If we have any semblance of a Defense that can stop teams, we have a very decent chance. It certainly isn't a given that we will. I think we all know that by now. Losing Sean Lee put a huge damper on my enthusiasm for the coming season. Not going to lie to you.

Sean Lee has quickly become one of my top 2 favorite players on this team. Of course, part of that is because DeMarcus Ware is gone. Sean Lee's instincts have him born to play football. It is a travesty that his body has let him down like it has. Unlike the immortal powerlifter, MMA types who regularly describe a player as glass, I can't do that. I couldn't for Fred Taylor, and I won't for a Dallas Cowboys player either. It is a brutal game, and though this injury did not happen in a game, I do not believe it defines this player or any other. I have too much respect for the game to feel like people should be able to avoid injuries. They happen. They suck, but they happen.

Enter a player whom I do hope will shut a lot of people up. That is Rolando McClain. I'm not going to lie folks, this excites the hell out of me. I pimped this player like mad when he was in the Draft, and the fact that we landed him now has me hopeful. Do I think he can fill Lee's shoes? No, I do not. Do I think he can plug the gaping hole that Lee's injury left? Yes, I do. You've heard me say more than once that I hope his head is on straight. If it is, we very well may have stolen him, and naturally, I hope we have.

I think Bruce Carter having a rebound season is probably just as big a need for this team to be honest. I truly think Carter is a key to improvement more than most other players. No one can deny his freakish athletic ability. We saw him nearly blossom into a star a couple of seasons ago when Lee went down then. I think he played tentative last year. Whether that was because of the injury or the change in scheme or some other factor, he can't afford to do that again. Next year if he and McClain both work out, and Lee comes back healthy we could have a monster LB Corps. For me Carter is the key to a lot in 2014.

I like the focus this off season on the Defensive front. I naturally hated losing Ware and Hatcher. I cannot say that right now I put Melton and Lawrence above them. However, it is important to note that in only 3/4 of our games last year did we have both of these guys on the field at the same time, and I really don't think we can say Ware was healthy. At least I can't. They weren't the problem. It was everyone else we trotted out there trying to piece together some facsimile of a Defensive Line. It is not above the realm of possible that DeMarcus Lawrence can give us a better 2014 than Ware gave us in 2013. In fact, I think it is in our best interests to expect it of him.

Is that enough? Frankly, no it isn't. We also need Selvie to at least replicate what he did last year, Crawford to be the player we keep hearing about, and it would be very nice to see the Henry Melton of 2011 and 2012 when he was working with Rod Marinelli in the windy city. I saw one fan recently saying that Melton has never had a season like Hatcher did last year. Apparently that football savant doesn't know that Hatcher hasn't put together back to back impact years the way the still young Melton did in the two years above. He's coming off an injury, and we simply cannot afford for him to be tentative. He is too big a factor in the overall success of the D-line to ignore.

I think the reports we've been hearing about Terrell McClain are just about as exciting as anything we've heard all off season. I was kind of nonplussed when the Cowboys signed him. I mean, yeah I know he was a decently high pick of the Panthers then played for the Texans, but I haven't thought of him coming here and changing or improving the team the same way I have for Melton. Now, I am thinking his spot in the D-Line rotation might be a critical piece of the mosaic. It is really obvious to me that Marinelli is going to use a lot of guys to keep them fresh and attacking. Gone are the days of 4 solid blocks of granite on the DL trying to hold the Line Of Scrimmage hostage. We're going to have 8 or 9 guys coming in and out and most of all attacking the football and QB.

That's the key to improving on last year's lousy Defense. Depth and strength in numbers. We need to be able to have more in the tank at the end of the game than the Offense does, because no Offensive Line in the NFL is going to have a similar strategy of fresh legs. That is the corps you want stability and precision from so much that you the same 5 guys play every snap that isn't garbage time. To overcome the other team's blockers we're going to need to come after them fast, furious, and with just enough pissed off to make it work.

That's where I think Crawford is a true key on the Defensive Line this year. I think he is capable of being our long term starter at LDE opposite his fellow Boise State alum Lawrence. In a perfect world I'd like to see him and Selvie rotating on that side and a healthy Anthony Spencer rotating with Lawrence. Crawford also has the versatility to play any of the front 4 positions which to me means we have to get him in on more snaps than anyone else on the DL rotation. There can be no excuse for not using him in any way we can.

Some may ask about Jeremy Mincey, and where he fits in in this equation. I'm not sure he does unless there are injuries again. Maybe he fills in until Spencer is ready, but I just don't see him in the long term plans of this team the same way I do with Ben Gardner whom I still think may have been our plum pick for the last day of the Draft. I watched a lot of Pac 12 games and I honestly thought he was a better player than Trent Murphy for the last 2 years. I think we stole him to be quite truthful. I'd keep him over Mincey unless Spencer starts the year on PUP, then I keep both.

I honestly don't know what to think about Amobi Okoye, Josh Brent (he's not even signed yet) or Nick Hayden. The main reason I don't know what to think is because of a kid we signed named Davon Coleman whom I do like a lot. Is he ready now? I can't say that, and if he's not then we need at least one of those 3 guys to be good enough to play in the rotation. I'd like for it to be Okoye, but for no reason other than I like stealing someone else's high Draft picks and capitalizing on them. I like it a lot. The Raiders used to make a living doing that in their heyday.

Why not us? Okoye doesn't have to be a Leon Lett to help us win. He can be a Jimmie Jones. He certainly has the pedigree, but does he have the stones? We sort of learned last year what Marinelli thinks of Hayden's stones. Of course he meant more about his hair than his junk in giving him that nickname. At least I hope so. No player makes me waffle more than Hayden if you want to know the truth. On the one hand I do not believe he's good enough to start in the NFL. On the other I saw him last year as a decent pick up and a good story. But we don't need good stories, we need production. He certainly isn't a starter in my opinion, but is a contributor to wins? If the talent around him is right, he could be.

So then what about Ken Bishop, a kid we drafted late who on film looks great. I like what I see in those highlights, but I worry he might take a roster spot that is critical. No matter what anyone thinks of Josh Brent, if we bring him back and he is one of the 10 best DL on the squad we'd be foolish to let him go. Had he not drank away his 2013 he probably would have started for us last year, and I think would have been an improvement on Goldilocks. His story could be a great one of retribution and overcoming a horrible moment, or he could add train wreck to a tragic car wreck.

I do think we're going to keep 10 Defensive Linemen and I think at least 9 of them will be game day active. It probably will be 8 instead of 9, but the thought is the same. Get the guy in there who has the most gas in his tank and attack. Mash the accelerator to the floor and drive the wheels off. That is what I think we have to do in order to improve upon the 432 points we gave up last year.

In order to accomplish that, we need for the pressure we put on the QB to give the DBs the opportunity to do what they did last year in taking the ball away. We took the ball away 28 times last year. 15 picks and 13 fumble recoveries. 10 of the picks were by DBs, the other 5 were by Sean Lee (the team leader with 4 despite missing 5 games and only playing a small portion of another before getting hurt) and DeMarcus Ware. The DBs also recovered 4 of those fumbles.

Now, I'd like to see those numbers go up obviously. We all would. For this to happen I think we need to acknowledge that the chip Morris Claiborne allegedly has on his shoulder to shut up his critics is very welcome. No one denies Mo's upside. What they've panned are his efforts and inability to stay healthy enough to make an impact. He knows this and someone I know who has close ties to the team tells me he is a man possessed this off season. The truth is he may be the guy working hardest on the entire Defense to improve. Hence the chip.

Old timers like me will remember the old Robert Conrad commercials where he put a battery on his shoulder and dared you to knock it off. We need Carr and Claiborne to dare QBs to throw the ball and make someone pay when they do. I don't care if that someone is the QB or the Receiver, just make someone pay. They are going to give up completions. All CBs do. But then they need to hit, strip, and intimidate. We have 2 CBs in them who are big, physical, and athletic. They need to live up to their billing and in the case of Carr, his salary number.

A lot has been made of them being more suited to man up physically than to play a Tampa 2 zone. The truth is, in the NFL you better be able to do both. I don't care what coverage is called, play physical and smart. Both are capable of it. Both left too much on the field last year by virtue of not having enough consistency in pressuring the QB to give them more opportunities.

Every DB on this team frankly needs to match the attitude and intensity of Orlando Scandrick. He begged the Coaches to give him the toughest assignments and then he laughed when those WRs whined about how rough he was. I don't care whether he plays wide or in the slot, if he can match last year and push others to play as hard, or with that kind of chip, it bodes well for this Defense. If he is once again alone in playing tough coverage, it could be a long season. The talent is there. We need the effort to match the talent.

Which finally brings me to the Safety position. Along with the D-Line I think you may see this being a target area in the 2015 Draft if we do not get better effort in 2014 than we did in 2013. I have no issue with Barry Church's tackling, but his coverage needs to be better. JJ Wilcox at times gave me hopes of delivering some Cliff Harris like crunching blows. I didn't see enough of them and apparently the coaches didn't either as he got benched for a player in Jeff Heath who might be the epitome of we have to do better than that.

The reports about Jakar Hamilton are encouraging. We'd all like to see why the team has such faith in Matt Johnson. I was pretty high on Ahmad Dixon and had him as high as 3rd round in some of my mocks. Dixon is a thumper who will have to earn his way on STs and take what chances he is given. Last year I was hoping lightning would strike twice and give us a Charlie Waters and Cliff Harris tandem again. One was a fairly high draft pick the other an Undrafted Free Agent. I was hoping Hamilton and Wilcox were the 2nd coming of that. Maybe they still will be. Maybe Dixon takes a spot. Maybe Church keeps his. I know this, we need the Safety play in 2014 to be much improved over the lost Jeff Heath I saw too much at the end of last year.

Nothing against Heath, but it just wasn't good enough. In fact that is true of the entire Defensive effort in 2013. It just wasn't good enough. If it is good enough this year, I actually have some faith that our Offense and Special Teams are good enough to shock the NFL and the doubters. The key word is If. Isn't it always?

Good to hear from you HOS

A question as to what you see in the DL. With 8-10 DL do you see two or three who specialist and fall back to play LB? Or play like Randy White or Ware and rome the line as run stoppers or blitz specialist? This would make the DL more versatile and keep the secondary and LBs from tiring.

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