The Herd - Rating Dak

[gjkoeppen]

My thoughts on Dak and Wentz were there in 2016 and have nothing to do with the Eagles winning a SB. I don't always look at stats, I use my eyes and even when Wentz had a struggle of a first season he was making incredible throws down field into tight windows and his WRs were dropping the ball. Dak in his down year had his WRs dropping the ball too but he wasn't making the difficult throws Wentz was making and he wasn't placing the ball as well as Wentz. So for Dallas to win they are going to have to keep everything simple for Dak and hope that it works and it did Daks first year and then defenses adjusted. To be honest I actually was surprised how things went bad for Dak so quick. I guess we're gonna find out a lot more about young Dak this season!

Funny thing about your eye test, they've lie to you. Prescott has a better completion percentage both years for passes 20 yards or longer. I think a dislike for Prescott has colored your vision. Now I didn't look that up, I'm relying on what was said on Cowboys Break.
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[Hadenough]

Funny thing about your eye test, they've lie to you. Prescott has a better completion percentage both years for passes 20 yards or longer. I think a dislike for Prescott has colored your vision. Now I didn't look that up, I'm relying on what was said on Cowboys Break.
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Maybe he does have a better completion percentage. I wonder if they took into account Wentz placed a lot of balls in his WRs hands perfectly that they dropped. Nelson Agholor and Jordan Mathews had a crazy amount of drops. Plus Dak doesnt try to throw into tight windows past 15 yds he waits until guys are wide open. Dak had a lot less attempts im sure. Not to mention the dump off passes that went from a 5 yd pass to 20yd play .You really have to take off those rose colored glasses and throw out 2016. This is a what have you done lately league and too many other people see what I see.

 

[Tass]

Its painfully obvious how good Jimmy G is. Just like its wonderfully obvious how good Dak is. Garrapp is a few years ahead in my opinion.

I remember wanting us to go after Jimmy G.

Alas...

 

[HungryLion]

Maybe he does have a better completion percentage. I wonder if they took into account Wentz placed a lot of balls in his WRs hands perfectly that they dropped. Nelson Agholor and Jordan Mathews had a crazy amount of drops. Plus Dak doesnt try to throw into tight windows past 15 yds he waits until guys are wide open. Dak had a lot less attempts im sure. Not to mention the dump off passes that went from a 5 yd pass to 20yd play .You really have to take off those rose colored glasses and throw out 2016. This is a what have you done lately league and too many other people see what I see.

Yes, Dak has never thrown a pass more than 15 yards, unless the guy is wide open........

The lie detector test determined.......... that was a lie.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Yes, Dak has never thrown a pass more than 15 yards, unless the guy is wide open........

The lie detector test determined.......... that was a lie.

Dak Prescott the KING of the Dink and Dunk pass!

For Tim opps i meant Dak to throw the ball over 15 yards the DB needs to be on the ground and our WR open by at least 5-10 Yards then maybe Dak will throw it downfield (if he doesn't get sacked and fumbles by then or runs for small gain on the ground) and it will probably be overthrown!

 

[HungryLion]

Dak Prescott the KING of the Dink and Dunk pass!

For Tim opps i meant Dak to throw the ball over 15 yards the DB needs to be on the ground and our WR open by at least 5-10 Yards then maybe Dak will throw it downfield (if he doesn't get sacked and fumbles by then or runs for small gain on the ground) and it will probably be overthrown!

 

[CowboyRoy]

I remember wanting us to go after Jimmy G.

Alas...

Getting Dak for a 4th round pick and having him at 700k for 4 years is pretty good stuff. I think people overlook that to some degree. We didn't even have to use a first round pick or move up in the draft or trade any assets to get him.

 

[Tass]

Getting Dak for a 4th round pick and having him at 700k for 4 years is pretty good stuff. I think people overlook that to some degree. We didn't even have to use a first round pick or move up in the draft or trade any assets to get him.

True. That's a good point.

 

[starcity214]

Dak Prescott the KING of the Dink and Dunk pass!

For Tim opps i meant Dak to throw the ball over 15 yards the DB needs to be on the ground and our WR open by at least 5-10 Yards then maybe Dak will throw it downfield (if he doesn't get sacked and fumbles by then or runs for small gain on the ground) and it will probably be overthrown!

Preach !!

But hey , his down field completion percentage is through the roof so he must be great

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Getting Dak for a 4th round pick and having him at 700k for 4 years is pretty good stuff. I think people overlook that to some degree. We didn't even have to use a first round pick or move up in the draft or trade any assets to get him.

You're correct and its most true in life .....You usually get what you pay for it.......

 

[gimmesix]

This is the type of naïve homer nonsense you see on this site. Its completely obvious that Garrappolo is a much more seasoned and better all around player at this time. Garrap will be one of the best QB's in the NFL going forward.

I wouldn't be too confident in his TD-to-int. number (7 TDs, 5 ints.) last year. That doesn't project well. But I admit that I didn't really watch him, so I don't know how many of the interceptions were bad throws.

 

[starcity214]

Getting Dak for a 4th round pick and having him at 700k for 4 years is pretty good stuff. I think people overlook that to some degree. We didn't even have to use a first round pick or move up in the draft or trade any assets to get him.

You get what you paid for...


If this team was full of 4th round JAGS we would be worse off than we are now.
Our offense is carried (literally) by a top 5 blue Chip RB..

 

[BourbonBalz]

The team under achieved and went 4-12 because the starting QB missed most of the season , and the starting pro bowl RB left in free agency after a 12 -4 season..

That team had talent.

Then you add a stud RB and that 2016 team would have probably gone farther than it did in 2016 with A veteran QB..

Also , the only reason he was starting as a rookie was because the two QBs ahead of him were injured.

You just debunked your own argument. We went from 4-12 to 13-3 primarily because we had good QB play from Dak. No doubt Zeke helped, but McFadden had a pretty damned good year during that 4-12 season.

 

[BourbonBalz]

They didn't.

Since you ran your mouth and never replied, I can only assume you looked it up and realized how wrong you were about Marino’s surrounding cast. If not, let me help you out. Miami went 12-4 his rookie year and followed it up with a 14-2 record and Super Bowl appearance his second year, but, I guess you were right. Marino didn’t have much talent surrounding him in his early years. LOL. Sometimes I wonder if some of you guys post crap on here that you just make up.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Maybe he does have a better completion percentage. I wonder if they took into account Wentz placed a lot of balls in his WRs hands perfectly that they dropped. Nelson Agholor and Jordan Mathews had a crazy amount of drops. Plus Dak doesnt try to throw into tight windows past 15 yds he waits until guys are wide open. Dak had a lot less attempts im sure. Not to mention the dump off passes that went from a 5 yd pass to 20yd play .You really have to take off those rose colored glasses and throw out 2016. This is a what have you done lately league and too many other people see what I see.

Ah, drops. Always excuses from people when their agenda falls apart.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Maybe he does have a better completion percentage. I wonder if they took into account Wentz placed a lot of balls in his WRs hands perfectly that they dropped. Nelson Agholor and Jordan Mathews had a crazy amount of drops. Plus Dak doesnt try to throw into tight windows past 15 yds he waits until guys are wide open. Dak had a lot less attempts im sure. Not to mention the dump off passes that went from a 5 yd pass to 20yd play .You really have to take off those rose colored glasses and throw out 2016. This is a what have you done lately league and too many other people see what I see.

Here's the problem with your argument now. Last season, 2017, Bryant led the league in drops so neither of Wentz's receivers had as many drops as Bryant. The more you write the more obvious it is that you have a bias against Prescott and that has colored your vision. Also EVERY QB has short passes that turn into 20 or more yarders. Bubble screen do that quite often or when a defense is in a zone defense and a zone gets cleared out with a wideout and then a back or a slot receiver slides into that zone and gets 20 yards out of it. It's time you take your haters glasses off and watch without any bias to color your vision.

 

[DakBringMeBack]

He's right on with all this.

It's weird he doesn't mention Deshaun Watson, who could be the best player in football in about 2 years. Could definitely be tier-one.

The tier thing is stupid. Either you can play or you can't. What is Andrew Luck anyways? I wouldn't give a bucket of dung for his future.

 

[kskboys]

Since you ran your mouth and never replied, I can only assume you looked it up and realized how wrong you were about Marino’s surrounding cast. If not, let me help you out. Miami went 12-4 his rookie year and followed it up with a 14-2 record and Super Bowl appearance his second year, but, I guess you were right. Marino didn’t have much talent surrounding him in his early years. LOL. Sometimes I wonder if some of you guys post crap on here that you just make up.

Marino had exactly 1 thousand yard rusher his entire career.

Yeah, someone is simply making statements w/o doing the research. His receivers were OK at best. Duper and Clayton weren't exactly household names.

You know, you simply lose so much credibility when you throw insults around. Can you speak like an adult w/o insulting people?

 

[BourbonBalz]

Marino had exactly 1 thousand yard rusher his entire career.

Yeah, someone is simply making statements w/o doing the research. His receivers were OK at best. Duper and Clayton weren't exactly household names.

You know, you simply lose so much credibility when you throw insults around. Can you speak like an adult w/o insulting people?

I don't know how old you are so maybe it was just before your time, but Duper and Clayton were definitely household names when they played. They were extremely good. Miami never ran the ball that much during that era, but when they did it was generally by committee. Tony Nathan and a few others were pretty good backs. Miami also had a good defense during that era called the Killer B's. For their lack of talent (according to you), Miami must have sold their soul to the devil during Marino's tenure (especially his first two years), considering they went 26-6 with a Super Bowl appearance in those two years. As far as insults go, you were the one that posted crap that was not based in any semblance of truth. You just don't like it when you get called out for it.

 

[mcmvp]

True. That's a good point.

It’s a good point...they got lucky finding his value in the 4th. The clock on that good fortune runs out soon though....JJ will be opening his wallet soon.

I don't know how old you are so maybe it was just before your time, but Duper and Clayton were definitely household names when they played. They were extremely good. Miami never ran the ball that much during that era, but when they did it was generally by committee. Tony Nathan and a few others were pretty good backs. Miami also had a good defense during that era called the Killer B's. For their lack of talent (according to you), Miami must have sold their soul to the devil during Marino's tenure (especially his first two years), considering they went 26-6 with a Super Bowl appearance in those two years. As far as insults go, you were the one that posted crap that was not based in any semblance of truth. You just don't like it when you get called out for it.

You really think Duper and Clayton would be household names if it was not for Marino? I don’t....but whatever.