The "if we take a" series, WR

[cnuball21]

The same can be said for Golden being a consensus top 25 who you are calling a 2nd rounder.

The same can be said for Golden being a consensus top 25 who you are calling a 2nd rounder.

Yes - I think he’s a 2nd rounder.

Would you agree it’s a pretty weak class and there are likely less than 20 1st round grades in this class? If so the consensus board agrees with me.

 

[Chasing6]

My opinion was swayed about Golden due to some of the media scouts, but you are right, he only rose cause of a strong playoff and a great 40 time in which many don't see on tape. I still see him as a 1st rd receiver, but more of a top 25 player. He is the cleaner prospect to Burden, but doesn't have the same upside potential.

T-Mac in my opinion is the only alpha, true #1 receiver in this class. If you are going to use the #12 pick at the position, you better be getting a future #1 in the process.

So he rose when it counted the most. I definitely think this team desperately needs some of that.

 

[stilltheguru]

Yes - I think he’s a 2nd rounder.

Would you agree it’s a pretty weak class and there are likely less than 20 1st round grades in this class? If so the consensus board agrees with me.

Does the consensus agree with you about jalon walker? Don't be a coward forever. Stop lying as if you follow the consensus board

 

[Cowboyny]

Agree with most of your point but if is the cleaner prospect than Burden why hasn’t he produced better?

Cleaner I mean off the field character concerns.

 

[nalam]

Now that we've had time to look at these guys more, I want to hear everyone's position rankings. So I'm going to try and post a position we could possibly take at 12, every couple of days leading up to the draft.
The prepose being to discuss who you would want to draft over the other players at the same position and why?

exp. If we take a RB at 12.. if we take a DT at 12... if we take a DE...get it?

Round two in the series we are going to look at what many believe is the choice Dallas will make at 12, WR.

So if we take a WR at 12, who do you prefer and why?

My order is T McMillian, T Hunter, M Golden, L Burden, E Egbuka

McMillian, IMHO is the best WR prospect in this class. He is one of two, that I think can be legit #1's in the NFL. He would instantly give the offense a much needed alternate, highly capable weapon in the passing game. He and Lamb together would be very difficult for opposing defense to cover. If he's available I don't know if they can pass on him.

Hunter is an incredible athlete who could also be a #1 WR. All the same listed above would apply to him as well. But with his abilities at CB, it is more than likely he will be gone before 12. But if he isn't, you run the card up, because we need a CB just as badly as we need a WR.

Golden is interesting. I don't know if he can be a legit #1, but he should be a fantastic #2. With his great speed, hands, competitiveness and ability paired with CD Lamb he should flourish and instantly give the offense a big boost in productivity.

Burden is very capable of being a very good #2 WR for Dallas. He is WR 3B, to Goldens 3A. Very similar traits of great hands, speed and competitiveness, just not as polished in his craft IMHO. I could go wither way between the 2, but Golden's speed flips the coin his way.

Egbuka is a good WR prospect. Savvy route technician, very good hands, competitive. Just a few minor red flags that drop him down a notch to the others. Would still be a great #2 for Dallas, but 12 maybe a little high for his stock.

Whoever is big physical and good hands , get him here, in the early rounds.

 

[cnuball21]

Cleaner I mean off the field character concerns.

Ahhh gotcha. Yea I heard something the other day from one of the Cowboys shows where it’s more so just his personality. Quite in nature, not a front of the line at practice guy, not overly vocal…kind of like Cooper.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Yes - I think he’s a 2nd rounder.

Would you agree it’s a pretty weak class and there are likely less than 20 1st round grades in this class? If so the consensus board agrees with me.

That's not the point .....EVERY draft generally has around 20ish players with true 1st round grades. That means 10-12 2nd-round graded players are selected in the 1st. So your point isn't making any sense. It's funny how the consensus word or BPA term works for you, but it's Yahoo talk for others (lokl)

 

[Cowboyny]

So he rose when it counted the most. I definitely think this team desperately needs some of that.

You have to look at the whole body of work, not just a few late season games.

 

[Cowboyny]

Ahhh gotcha. Yea I heard something the other day from one of the Cowboys shows where it’s more so just his personality. Quite in nature, not a front of the line at practice guy, not overly vocal…kind of like Cooper.

We all read the McGinn reports, GF is his manager, Mother is a problem, poor practice player, etc. He might be another bossman fat is my concern. Just way too risky to consider at 12, now if he is there at 44, worth the risk.

 

[J-man]

Yeah, Hunter shows all the signs of being a much better CB, and at present is no more than a speed threat at WR.

Best WR in this draft? Slot guy, Luther Burden. Think Julian Edelmann.

Who you got as a #1 type WR?

McMillian and Hunter both are to me. But Hunter will be a CB first, WR second. He would be a great pick for us as we need both! (not that he'll get to 12)
He could come in every few plays and give defenses something to worry about, whether he's targeted or not.

Burden is good, but the best in the class? That's a stretch IMHO.

 

[Cowboyny]

That's not the point .....EVERY draft generally has around 20ish players with true 1st round grades. That means 10-12 2nd-round graded players are selected in the 1st. So your point isn't making any sense. It's funny how the consensus word or BPA term works for you, but it's Yahoo talk for others (lokl)

Dane is one of the best in the business, has him as the 15th best player of his board. I believe many teams won't have a high number of 1st rd grades this year, where Golden will problem be viewed as a 2nd rd grade. 2nd rd grade doesn't mean he gets picked in the 2nd rd, but rather not a blue/red chip prospect.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Dane is one of the best in the business, has him as the 15th best player of his board. I believe many teams won't have a high number of 1st rd grades this year, where Golden will problem be viewed as a 2nd rd grade. 2nd rd grade doesn't mean he gets picked in the 2nd rd, but rather not a blue/red chip prospect.

McShay........

 

[kskboys]

The consensus on McMillan is he’s a top 10ish player in the class so that’s incorrect.

Didn’t you say you don’t even watch the players in another thread?

Didn't say they wouldn't be taken there, I said they weren't worth the pick. So it is not incorrect.

Didn't you say you don't even bother to evaluate previous drafts, who worked out and who didn't and why? W/o that, rating players is fruitless.

There are players rated where they shouldn't be rated every draft. Do you really think Taco was a 1st round prospect?

When I make a statement as I did, it's due to examining what the experts have to say. They are the ones who go over every player in detail, w/ an extreme eye on what will make them successful or not.

McMillian: IMO, McM is going to have trouble getting off the LOS. He appears to be quite susceptible to press man coverage. Too skinny to block.

What are you seeing/reading that makes you think top 10?

 

[kskboys]

They finished 9-8 his rookie year and were 3-13-1 the year before they drafted him.

So no. They were both not stacked at the time.

You are making this out to be more than it is.

If a team likes a guy at 12 and is your clear WR2 and it works that’s all that matters.

Yes they were. Gotta look past the record to see if a team is stacked. At that point, Campbell had already undone most of the damage done by Patricia. Jameson was purely and simply a piece to be added, and would've most likely gone higher if not for his ACL tear.

 

[Coogiguy03]

There are no #1 Wrs in this draft. Any WR you take at 12 is a major reach.

post of the day, the love for these wr's is beyond me, take one at the bottom of the 1st and early 2nd sheesh!! Trade down!!!!!!

 

[kskboys]

That's not the point .....EVERY draft generally has around 20ish players with true 1st round grades. That means 10-12 2nd-round graded players are selected in the 1st. So your point isn't making any sense. It's funny how the consensus word or BPA term works for you, but it's Yahoo talk for others (lokl)

BPA is strictly a fan term. No team would be dumb enough to use it, and plenty of GMs have been fired for going to it. In general there is no BPA, there are usually several rated around the same.

I think this is a pretty deep draft, but some are calling it shallow because the players are not at the skill positions, especially WR and QB. And there isn't much blue chip up at the top, w/ no consensus #1. This is the draft you should trade back.

 

[kskboys]

McMillian and Hunter both are to me. But Hunter will be a CB first, WR second. He would be a great pick for us as we need both! (not that he'll get to 12)
He could come in every few plays and give defenses something to worry about, whether he's targeted or not.

Burden is good, but the best in the class? That's a stretch IMHO.

It's not a stretch if you consider the lack of respect slot guys get.

Was Edelmann the best in the league? Sure was up there in catches. So, a guy who catches the short stuff can't be the best?

Burden is an absolute beast in the slot. Pretty much unguardable.

 

[Proof]

Tmac and Burden are my 1st round WRs. TMac being WR1 and is the only one where the value matches up well at 12.

Egbuka is a fringe 1st rounder so fine in a trade down.

Golden is more of a 2nd rounder for me. He was a 2nd rounder the entire process then had a few good games down the stretch and ran fast and now all of a sudden he’s supposed to be a top 15 player. Smaller frame and below average production profile if being considered as a 1st round player. One of the most overrated players being talked about in the 1st round IMO.

i trust your evaluations in general, and definitely over mine, but isn't "a few good games down the stretch" underselling it a bit? i get the caution, but a guy that delivers on the biggest stages is the diametric opposite of what we have, and i'm not mad at it.

 

[kskboys]

Whoever is big physical and good hands , get him here, in the early rounds.

Don't want small but unguardable?

 

[cnuball21]

That's not the point .....EVERY draft generally has around 20ish players with true 1st round grades. That means 10-12 2nd-round graded players are selected in the 1st. So your point isn't making any sense. It's funny how the consensus word or BPA term works for you, but it's Yahoo talk for others (lokl)

Pretty much every high level analyst I respect disagrees with you and agrees that this is a weak class with only around 15 or so true first round grades. Yes - every year there are 2nd round grades drafted in the 1st round and this year there will be more than normal.

I want a 1st round grade at 12. If you’re comfortable taking a lower tier player or 2nd rounder grade at 12 cool. Kudos.


So that is exactly the point.