The key against the 49ers: Don't fall for the trap

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I'll lead it with this, and I've posted the data many times before but it's important to preface as it's the key to the thread: How well you run the ball has virtually no correlation with winning in the modern NFL. Games are decided almost entirely by three metrics, which are turnover margin, adjusted offensive passing efficiency and adjusted defensive passing efficiency. And statistically how well you run the ball has, again, essentially no correlation with how well you throw it. All that matters is that you TRY to run the ball. This is because only at the extremes of run/pass ratio tendencies does playaction stop working. The psychological impact of playaction is present whether you run it well or not as long as you try to run it. This has been looked at extensively and the numbers are overwhelming in support of this premise. It is a matter of statistical fact at this point.

Now all that being said, here is why the 49ers are so good on offense: They are committed to preserving a specific run/pass ratio and have garnered a reputation as such to the point that teams invest too many resources into stopping the run. The 49ers see more heavy boxes than any team in football because of this. And this, combined with a brilliant playcaller at the healm, is how they get you. The 49ers DO NOT care how many yards per carry they get, no matter what they say. They care only that you believe they care, because they understand how games are won. And once you start caring too much, they do what they really want to do which is throw the ball INCREDIBLY efficiently and explosively. It is impossible to consitently defend well designed play action in the modern NFL with more than 7 in the box against 21 personnel, and they know this.

Here's the key for any defense playing them, dont take the bait. The 49ers throw the ball just as well whether they run for 3.5 YPC or 7 YPC, and we've already established that how well you run doesnt impact the outcome much at all. When do the 49ers stop throwing the ball as well, and thus become less likely to win statisitically? WHEN YOU STOP DEVOTING EXTRA RESOURCES TO STOPPING THE RUN. That's right, how often defenses bring an extra man into the box (and that number varies based on the offense's personnel package) is what impacts their passing efficiency metrics.

Don't get sucked into their game. Let them run for 5-7 yards per carry if they can. No OC consistently demonstrates the commitment to run the ball to such a fault that they will beat you by this metric alone. And even if they do, the stats show that the length of your drives without explosive passing plays results in lots of self inflicted losses of possession and field goals due to turnovers, penalties and other mistakes (such as drops) and this limits the effectiveness of this plan.

So in summary, commit your resources to stopping the run sparingly. SF wants you to sell out to stop the run so they can do the things that actually beat you. The run itself, statistically speaking, wont beat you. It didnt last year (contrary to popular opinion).
 

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Very interesting. I imagine you’ll get arguments, probably mostly from people that like to forecast doom and gloom, but I agree with the notion that we shouldn’t get suckered into playing the way they want us to.
 

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I'll lead it with this, and I've posted the data many times before but it's important to preface as it's the key to the thread: How well you run the ball has virtually no correlation with winning in the modern NFL. Games are decided almost entirely by three metrics, which are turnover margin, adjusted offensive passing efficiency and adjusted defensive passing efficiency. And statistically how well you run the ball has, again, essentially no correlation with how well you throw it. All that matters is that you TRY to run the ball. This is because only at the extremes of run/pass ratio tendencies does playaction stop working. The psychological impact of playaction is present whether you run it well or not as long as you try to run it. This has been looked at extensively and the numbers are overwhelming in support of this premise. It is a matter of statistical fact at this point.

Now all that being said, here is why the 49ers are so good on offense: They are committed to preserving a specific run/pass ratio and have garnered a reputation as such to the point that teams invest too many resources into stopping the run. The 49ers see more heavy boxes than any team in football because of this. And this, combined with a brilliant playcaller at the healm, is how they get you. The 49ers DO NOT care how many yards per carry they get, no matter what they say. They care only that you believe they care, because they understand how games are won. And once you start caring too much, they do what they really want to do which is throw the ball INCREDIBLY efficiently and explosively. It is impossible to consitently defend well designed play action in the modern NFL with more than 7 in the box against 21 personnel, and they know this.

Here's the key for any defense playing them, dont take the bait. The 49ers throw the ball just as well whether they run for 3.5 YPC or 7 YPC, and we've already established that how well you run doesnt impact the outcome much at all. When do the 49ers stop throwing the ball as well, and thus become less likely to win statisitically? WHEN YOU STOP DEVOTING EXTRA RESOURCES TO STOPPING THE RUN. That's right, how often defenses bring an extra man into the box (and that number varies based on the offense's personnel package) is what impacts their passing efficiency metrics.

Don't get sucked into their game. Let them run for 5-7 yards per carry if they can. No OC consistently demonstrates the commitment to run the ball to such a fault that they will beat you by this metric alone. And even if they do, the stats show that the length of your drives without explosive passing plays results in lots of self inflicted losses of possession and field goals due to turnovers, penalties and other mistakes (such as drops) and this limits the effectiveness of this plan.

So in summary, commit your resources to stopping the run sparingly. SF wants you to sell out to stop the run so they can do the things that actually beat you. The run itself, statistically speaking, wont beat you. It didnt last year (contrary to popular opinion).
This good stuff, chap old boy. have you told Jerald this?
 

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Phenomenal post. A lot of old fashioned thinking gets tossed about here (and elsewhere) about running the ball. Everything points to passing as the deciding factor in a successful offense for the exact reasons you mentioned. An overwhelming amount of evidence supports this. Stop the passing game first and foremost and live with the run game.
 

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Sounds good in theory, but when you’re getting gashed for 5-7 yards everytime, it becomes harder to be disciplined against play action.

They gotta get Purdy into some third and 5+ situations, and not let him improvise in the pocket like he’s done regularly the last month.
 

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I'll lead it with this, and I've posted the data many times before but it's important to preface as it's the key to the thread: How well you run the ball has virtually no correlation with winning in the modern NFL. Games are decided almost entirely by three metrics, which are turnover margin, adjusted offensive passing efficiency and adjusted defensive passing efficiency. And statistically how well you run the ball has, again, essentially no correlation with how well you throw it. All that matters is that you TRY to run the ball. This is because only at the extremes of run/pass ratio tendencies does playaction stop working. The psychological impact of playaction is present whether you run it well or not as long as you try to run it. This has been looked at extensively and the numbers are overwhelming in support of this premise. It is a matter of statistical fact at this point.

Now all that being said, here is why the 49ers are so good on offense: They are committed to preserving a specific run/pass ratio and have garnered a reputation as such to the point that teams invest too many resources into stopping the run. The 49ers see more heavy boxes than any team in football because of this. And this, combined with a brilliant playcaller at the healm, is how they get you. The 49ers DO NOT care how many yards per carry they get, no matter what they say. They care only that you believe they care, because they understand how games are won. And once you start caring too much, they do what they really want to do which is throw the ball INCREDIBLY efficiently and explosively. It is impossible to consitently defend well designed play action in the modern NFL with more than 7 in the box against 21 personnel, and they know this.

Here's the key for any defense playing them, dont take the bait. The 49ers throw the ball just as well whether they run for 3.5 YPC or 7 YPC, and we've already established that how well you run doesnt impact the outcome much at all. When do the 49ers stop throwing the ball as well, and thus become less likely to win statisitically? WHEN YOU STOP DEVOTING EXTRA RESOURCES TO STOPPING THE RUN. That's right, how often defenses bring an extra man into the box (and that number varies based on the offense's personnel package) is what impacts their passing efficiency metrics.

Don't get sucked into their game. Let them run for 5-7 yards per carry if they can. No OC consistently demonstrates the commitment to run the ball to such a fault that they will beat you by this metric alone. And even if they do, the stats show that the length of your drives without explosive passing plays results in lots of self inflicted losses of possession and field goals due to turnovers, penalties and other mistakes (such as drops) and this limits the effectiveness of this plan.

So in summary, commit your resources to stopping the run sparingly. SF wants you to sell out to stop the run so they can do the things that actually beat you. The run itself, statistically speaking, wont beat you. It didnt last year (contrary to popular opinion).
What an excellent post!! Though there is debate for such metrics, you might be onto something here.

I remember the days when Brady would always play action even though their run game was faltering. It worked and it helped win them games. So your info has a lot of truth.
 

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So…I think it REALLY depends on your opponent. With the Niners…dang…they take running seriously. If you don’t commit to stopping the run, they WILL keep doing it. Not too long ago they proved that in the playoffs. Remember…?

1/11/20 - Vs the Vikings… Niners rush 47 times for 186 yards and 2 TDs. Pass 19 times.

1/19/20 - Vs the Packers…Niners rush 42 times for 285 yards and 4 TDs. Pass 8 times.

They easily won both games. If we let them pound the rock, Shanahan will run us into the dirt. We have to stop their run game.
 

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So…I think it REALLY depends on your opponent. With the Niners…dang…they take running seriously. If you don’t commit to stopping the run, they WILL keep doing it. Not too long ago they proved that in the playoffs. Remember…?

1/11/20 - Vs the Vikings… Niners rush 47 times for 186 yards and 2 TDs. Pass 19 times.

1/19/20 - Vs the Packers…Niners rush 42 times for 285 yards and 4 TDs. Pass 8 times.

They easily won both games. If we let them pound the rock, Shanahan will run us into the dirt. We have to stop their run game.
so you pull up gams from 2020 lol i get it but bring in this years stats not 2+ years ago..
 

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I'll lead it with this, and I've posted the data many times before but it's important to preface as it's the key to the thread: How well you run the ball has virtually no correlation with winning in the modern NFL. Games are decided almost entirely by three metrics, which are turnover margin, adjusted offensive passing efficiency and adjusted defensive passing efficiency. And statistically how well you run the ball has, again, essentially no correlation with how well you throw it. All that matters is that you TRY to run the ball. This is because only at the extremes of run/pass ratio tendencies does playaction stop working. The psychological impact of playaction is present whether you run it well or not as long as you try to run it. This has been looked at extensively and the numbers are overwhelming in support of this premise. It is a matter of statistical fact at this point.

Now all that being said, here is why the 49ers are so good on offense: They are committed to preserving a specific run/pass ratio and have garnered a reputation as such to the point that teams invest too many resources into stopping the run. The 49ers see more heavy boxes than any team in football because of this. And this, combined with a brilliant playcaller at the healm, is how they get you. The 49ers DO NOT care how many yards per carry they get, no matter what they say. They care only that you believe they care, because they understand how games are won. And once you start caring too much, they do what they really want to do which is throw the ball INCREDIBLY efficiently and explosively. It is impossible to consitently defend well designed play action in the modern NFL with more than 7 in the box against 21 personnel, and they know this.

Here's the key for any defense playing them, dont take the bait. The 49ers throw the ball just as well whether they run for 3.5 YPC or 7 YPC, and we've already established that how well you run doesnt impact the outcome much at all. When do the 49ers stop throwing the ball as well, and thus become less likely to win statisitically? WHEN YOU STOP DEVOTING EXTRA RESOURCES TO STOPPING THE RUN. That's right, how often defenses bring an extra man into the box (and that number varies based on the offense's personnel package) is what impacts their passing efficiency metrics.

Don't get sucked into their game. Let them run for 5-7 yards per carry if they can. No OC consistently demonstrates the commitment to run the ball to such a fault that they will beat you by this metric alone. And even if they do, the stats show that the length of your drives without explosive passing plays results in lots of self inflicted losses of possession and field goals due to turnovers, penalties and other mistakes (such as drops) and this limits the effectiveness of this plan.

So in summary, commit your resources to stopping the run sparingly. SF wants you to sell out to stop the run so they can do the things that actually beat you. The run itself, statistically speaking, wont beat you. It didnt last year (contrary to popular opinion).
Ok Adam
Wheee did he go?
 

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Sounds good in theory, but when you’re getting gashed for 5-7 yards everytime, it becomes harder to be disciplined against play action.

They gotta get Purdy into some third and 5+ situations, and not let him improvise in the pocket like he’s done regularly the last month.
Yeah that's how the Rams beat us in the playoffs a few years ago. While I agree with some of the post, you cannot win and allow 5-7 yards per carry unless your own offense is scoring every time they touch the ball because they are not going to see the ball very much!
 

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so you pull up gams from 2020 lol i get it but bring in this years stats not 2+ years ago..
I love passing and feel running is not as critical as it used to be as well. I just sited those two games to highlight that the Niners are actually a team that will burn you if you don’t commit to stopping the run. No one has been as dumb as the Packers were in 2020 this year. I hope the Boys don’t hear Me and say, “hold my beer.”
 

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At least he started with running the ball is irrelevant, so I knew I didn't have to read the rest.
It’s not irrelevant, it’s just that you don’t have to be particularly good at it. You just have to try it sometimes.

It’s a statistical fact that how well you run it doesn’t have hardly any statistical impact on winning or losing.
 

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Yeah that's how the Rams beat us in the playoffs a few years ago. While I agree with some of the post, you cannot win and allow 5-7 yards per carry unless your own offense is scoring every time they touch the ball because they are not going to see the ball very much!
The Rams beat us in the playoffs because we went 1-10 on 3rd down and had the lowest third down passing efficiency of any team in any playoff game in the last 10 years. Because of that our offense couldn’t stay on the field.

The takeaway from that game is that we got out rushed by 220 yards and they had 4 more YPC, and we still only lost by one score.
 

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It’s an interesting concept.
At the end of the day, I think we win by-

Getting a lead early
Keep their defense on the field
Win the turnover battle

Basically put them in scenarios where their rookie QB is forced to make plays with his arm. Make them play from behind and put them in 3rd and long situations.
 

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The Rams beat us in the playoffs because we went 1-10 on 3rd down and had the lowest third down passing efficiency of any team in any playoff game in the last 10 years. Because of that our offense couldn’t stay on the field.

The takeaway from that game is that we got out rushed by 220 yards and they had 4 more YPC, and we still only lost by one score.
They punted once and had 35 minutes of possession because they were able to run for 273 yards at 5.7 per carry and still score 30 points. I don't really care what your 3rd down make percentage is because against a very good D you are going to be pressed to score more than 30. Your 3rd down conversion rate could have been 4-10 and you still don't score more points. We had 3 - 3 and outs that game. Even if you converted those 3 it does not mean you score that drive.

We give up over 150-175 and a high average per rush and we will probably lose!
 

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Well thought out post but without sugar coating it. Win up front. Win game. That's it. That's all football will ever be, and all it's ever been.
 

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If we stop the run, then we force Purdy to beat us...

There is a far better chance Purdy turns the ball over than their running backs...

And I think we need to be on the plus side of turnovers to win this game...

But never estimate motivation. Dallas should be motivated from last year's playoff loss, plus no one is giving them much of a chance Sunday. Do as Philly did on their super bowl run...embrace being the underdog...
 
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