The "Let's speculate about the front office" thread

[DallasEast]

I don't think any intelligent fan is surprised.

First, I was very surprised that Moore was let go.
I thought he was Jerry's handpicked wonder boy, HC in waiting,
Garrett 2.0.

 

[john van brocklin]

I’d imagine jerry wanted to keep kellen, Stephen probably leaned that way too and Mike wanted to get his own guys in here and fought for it. I think we see schottenheimer, mcadoo, James campen all brought in and basically Jerry is gonna let mm die or live on this idea.

I bet McCarthy said there’s no way dak will improve with status quo while the Jones’s probably preferred that. Good, bad, or the other McCarthy put himself out there knowing if it doesn’t work out he gets canned

Hey, if you are gonna go down, it may as well be with your guys!
Oh, and Sean Peyton may be available next year.
Imagine that!

 

[DallasEast]

Back-to-back 12 win seasons, and a playoff win this time. Year 28 of Jerry's 30-year plan is right on schedule.

He is lagging WAY behind in the '500 coaches can win' category.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Aren't "lateral moves to get away" what someone obtains before getting a pink slip? A lateral move after-the-fact would be a better descriptor for Moore's situation.

This sounds like Moore wanted out.

 

[DallasEast]

This sounds like Moore wanted out.

lol. Is a tweet opinion dated today necessary?

Moore interviewed with the Panthers. On multiple days. Before he got fired. Before he got the Chargers' job. In that order.

I don't know. It has been my experience someone wants another job whenever they proactively seek another job.

"This sounds like Moore wanted out."

That seemed obvious by Moore's actions early last week but okay.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

lol. Is a tweet opinion dated today necessary?

Moore interviewed with the Panthers. On multiple days. Before he got fired. Before he got the Chargers' job. In that order.

I don't know. It has been my experience someone wants another job whenever they proactively seek another job.

"This sounds like Moore wanted out."

That seemed obvious by Moore's actions early last week but okay.

Why is Dan Quinn still here then?

 

[DallasEast]

Why is Dan Quinn still here then?

Dan Quinn: He interviewed elsewhere, did not get what he interviewed for, never got fired here and Jones wanted to retain his services.

Kellen Moore: He interviewed elsewhere, did not get what he interviewed for, Jones canned him and Los Angeles hired him for his services.

Do the above circumstances appear the same to you? Also:

after-the-fact​

adjective
: occurring, done, or made after something has happened

Example: Kellen Moore attempted and fail to gain employment elsewhere before being fired. Moore was successfully re-hired as an offensive coordinator (a lateral move from his previous employment) with his new employer, after-the-fact.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Dan Quinn: He interviewed elsewhere, did not get what he interviewed for, never got fired here and Jones wanted to retain his services.

Kellen Moore: He interviewed elsewhere, did not get what he interviewed for, Jones canned him and Los Angeles hired him for his services.

Do the above circumstances appear the same to you? Also:

after-the-fact​

adjective
: occurring, done, or made after something has happened

Example: Kellen Moore attempted and fail to gain employment elsewhere before being fired. Moore was successfully re-hired as an offensive coordinator (a lateral move from his previous employment) with his new employer, after-the-fact.

I'm going to need to see where you're getting this "Kellen Moore was fired" news at.

Everything I've seen said it was a mutual decision and Moore was with the Chargers less than 24 hours later.

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

I know the media has not given us much, if any info, on the decision making process of the front office regarding
the firing of the coaches that have been let go so far this off season.

I thought it would be interesting to see what theories we can come up with.

First, I was very surprised that Moore was let go.
I thought he was Jerry's handpicked wonder boy, HC in waiting,
Garrett 2.0.

So here we go :

1. Mac has consolidated power and won over Jerry's confidence and was able to fire Moore?
2. Stephen is now in charge, and saw the Moore was not getting the best out of Dak ?
3. Jerry, in a surprising moment of clarity realized that Moore's Offense and Dak were not a good fit?
4. What do you got ?

I think Jerry is getting desperate and knows that the offense of Moore + Dak does not equal a sum greater than its parts, so he is willing to take a shot at seeing if another offensive coordinator can extract more from Dak even if that comes with an inherent risk that the offense could take a step back. I agree with the choice because even if it does not work out, it is a risk that you have got to take.

I also believe that Dan Quinn has essentially been told that he will be the next HC of the Dallas Cowboys if Mike can't get them to an NFC championship game next season, so he is much more content to stand pat and bide his time in a winning situation than enter a high-risk rebuild as the HC at Denver, AZ, or Indy.

 

[DallasEast]

I'm going to need to see where you're getting this "Kellen Moore was fired" news at.

Everything I've seen said it was a mutual decision and Moore was with the Chargers less than 24 hours later.

Oh. My apologies. Would Jerry Jones dissolved his working contractual relationship with Kellen Moore be more accurate? Perhaps that is not accurate, Maybe 'Kellen Moore resigned as offensive coordinator' be more appropriate?

Either way, a guy left one employer for another under the condition that his prior employment ended.

You are correct in one way though. There should be more clarification provided by either Jerry Jones or Kellen Moore about the situation. I am not the only observer labeling the circumstances as a 'firing':

https://www.bing.com/news/search?q=kellen+moore+firing&FORM=HDRSC7

 

[75boyz]

They know they aren't improving the team on the field, so all they could do was make a small gesture of firing B&C coaches and one splash with Moore (which I'll admit was surprising). But they really didn't have a choice. They know what Dak is by now, same as us, and he isn't going anywhere. Putting MM in charge just kicks the Dak controversy another year down the road. Whatever you thought of Moore, Jerry needed a scapegoat for Dak. Just smoke and mirrors before we settle in for the usual FA.

Yup,
this is as close to reality a scenario as I can believe as well. I too thought Moore was gonna continue the OC to HC Garrett cycle but Dak forced the Joneses hand into a scapegoat outlet cuz they're handcuffed to those 2 years on SleepNumber's current deal.

Nice post.

 

[75boyz]

I think Jerry is getting desperate and knows that the offense of Moore + Dak does not equal a sum greater than its parts, so he is willing to take a shot at seeing if another offensive coordinator can extract more from Dak even if that comes with an inherent risk that the offense could take a step back. I agree with the choice because even if it does not work out, it is a risk that you have got to take.

I also believe that Dan Quinn has essentially been told that he will be the next HC of the Dallas Cowboys if Mike can't get them to an NFC championship game next season, so he is much more content to stand pat and bide his time in a winning situation than enter a high-risk rebuild as the HC at Denver, AZ, or Indy.

Well written and thought out.

 

[plasticman]

"Chaos" is the first word that comes to my mind.

 

[john van brocklin]

I think it's #3. Jerry continues to get humbled - first was realizing that Garrett had to go. That was the biggest domino to fall because it showed that there is a breaking point for everyone. No one is safe forever, no matter how much Jerry wants them to succeed. Now Jerry knows his chosen QB and OC are not good enough to get them over the hump. It's easier to get rid of the OC for now but Dak is definitely next. They're just forced to keep him around a little longer due to the contract but his time is coming eventually

I think you are spot on.

 

[silvernblu]

I know the media has not given us much, if any info, on the decision making process of the front office regarding
the firing of the coaches that have been let go so far this off season.

I thought it would be interesting to see what theories we can come up with.

First, I was very surprised that Moore was let go.
I thought he was Jerry's handpicked wonder boy, HC in waiting,
Garrett 2.0.

So here we go :

1. Mac has consolidated power and won over Jerry's confidence and was able to fire Moore?
2. Stephen is now in charge, and saw the Moore was not getting the best out of Dak ?
3. Jerry, in a surprising moment of clarity realized that Moore's Offense and Dak were not a good fit?
4. What do you got ?

Moore sought permission to go to San Diego because Dak sucks and could not execute the offense.

 

[Jake]

Aren't "lateral moves to get away" what someone obtains before getting a pink slip? A lateral move after-the-fact would be a better descriptor for Moore's situation.

It's interesting that he had another job less than 24 hours later. We had posters (not you) saying no one would hire him.

That he got snatched up that quickly suggests at least one team didn't think Moore was the problem when Dallas only scored 12 points in San Francisco.

 

[john van brocklin]

I think Jerry is getting desperate and knows that the offense of Moore + Dak does not equal a sum greater than its parts, so he is willing to take a shot at seeing if another offensive coordinator can extract more from Dak even if that comes with an inherent risk that the offense could take a step back. I agree with the choice because even if it does not work out, it is a risk that you have got to take.

I also believe that Dan Quinn has essentially been told that he will be the next HC of the Dallas Cowboys if Mike can't get them to an NFC championship game next season, so he is much more content to stand pat and bide his time in a winning situation than enter a high-risk rebuild as the HC at Denver, AZ, or Indy.

Interesting take on Quinn.
Peyton looks to be available next offseason as well and the compensation will probably be less.
I could see Jerry having enough trust/history with Sean to let him take control of personel.
Should be interesting!

 

[john van brocklin]

Moore sought permission to go to San Diego because Dak sucks and could not execute the offense.

Is this your opinion or do you have a link ?
Not saying you are wrong , just curious.
Thanks, John

 

[DallasEast]

It's interesting that he had another job less than 24 hours later. We had posters (not you) saying no one would hire him.

That he got snatched up that quickly suggests at least one team didn't think Moore was the problem when Dallas only scored 12 points in San Francisco.

I doubt any evaluation centered solely upon the final score of the divisional game but on his body of work. Hopefully everyone will be honest about coaching re-hires. They have happened just as quickly numerous times in any professional team sports league for too many decades to count.

That said, Kellen Moore's coaching career could blossom or wither from this point forward. Only time will tell.

 

[john van brocklin]

Dallas East,
2 different surprises there my friend!