The most important thing about Monte Kiffin

[Awakened]

He turned arguably the best defensive player in the NFL into an average player.

He turned a tremendous LBer with out-of-this-world potential (Carter) into a bumbling, stumbling part-time starter.

IF I KNEW NOTHING ELSE ABOUT KIFFIN AND THE SWITCH TO THE 4-3, THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH.

Huge setback for this organization.

 

[Tabascocat]

 

[Neverhood]

Cool post

 

[panchucko]

I don't think carter was all that, he seems to have potential but I don't think anyone has ruined him

Only cowboys LB ever ruined was bobby carpenter, having to play a new position every year just killed him

 

[gimmesix]

He turned arguably the best defensive player in the NFL into an average player.

He turned a tremendous LBer with out-of-this-world potential (Carter) into a bumbling, stumbling part-time starter.

IF I KNEW NOTHING ELSE ABOUT KIFFIN AND THE SWITCH TO THE 4-3, THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH.

Huge setback for this organization.

Carter was a little slow learning the last defense, and might just be a little slow learning this one as well. Give it a little time. He should get back to playing purely on his instincts when he feels comfortable with the scheme.

 

[JBond]

The most important thing to understand is that he is overwhelmed. In person I watched one of the best defenses, of all time statistically, crumble with a couple of injuries. KC vs SD.

 

[dragon_mikal]

Best defensive player in the NFL? When was this?

 

[BAZ]

I don't think carter was all that, he seems to have potential but I don't think anyone has ruined him

Only cowboys LB ever ruined was bobby carpenter, having to play a new position every year just killed him

Carpenter just played soft Dallas didn't make him that.

 

[Matts4313]

the fact that you even think Ware was in the conversation of best def player in the league tells me enough about you. Kidding.

Ware has been injured and below his HOF caliber for a couple years now.

 

[Illini88228]

the fact that you even think Ware was in the conversation of best def player in the league tells me enough about you. Kidding.

Ware has been injured and below his HOF caliber for a couple years now.

He's not talking about Ware. He thinks Bruce Carter was the best defensive player in football.

 

[StarBoyz83]

I dont know about all that but the 4-3 was a huge mistake!!!! Just so everybody knows though that fly/run to the ball is from Marinelli not Kiffen!!!

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I dont know about all that but the 4-3 was a huge mistake!!!! Just so everybody knows though that fly/run to the ball is from Marinelli not Kiffen!!!

I don't mind the transition to the 4-3, but I think not acquiring the right personnel was a mistake. We kept all the same players and expected them to all play fine in a 4-3. What did we do the year we switched to a 3-4? Got two 1st rounders and drafted Ware and Spears. But, in the long run, I think the switch to a 4-3 was the right move. The players who made our 3-4 are not the same or are long gone. Ratliff is gone, Ware is a shell of his former self, Canty has been gone, Spencer is on the final year of his contract. I think it's easier to find efficient pass rushers in a 4-3 than it is to find elite edge rushers like Ware for the 3-4. I also think Marinelli is a good guy to make something work on the D-line. However, we should have drafted and signed D-line players. It makes no sense that we didn't. We got lucky finding Selvie on the scrap heap and we got lucky that Hatcher ended up better in the 4-3 than the 3-4. However, Selvie is good but not elite, and Hatcher is old and on the last year of his contract. We have absolutely no future prospects on this D-line. We need a complete overhaul and we set ourselves back a year by not attempting to address is this past draft.

 

[StarBoyz83]

I don't mind the transition to the 4-3, but I think not acquiring the right personnel was a mistake. We kept all the same players and expected them to all play fine in a 4-3. What did we do the year we switched to a 3-4? Got two 1st rounders and drafted Ware and Spears. But, in the long run, I think the switch to a 4-3 was the right move. The players who made our 3-4 are not the same or are long gone. Ratliff is gone, Ware is a shell of his former self, Canty has been gone, Spencer is on the final year of his contract. I think it's easier to find efficient pass rushers in a 4-3 than it is to find elite edge rushers like Ware for the 3-4. I also think Marinelli is a good guy to make something work on the D-line. However, we should have drafted and signed D-line players. It makes no sense that we didn't. We got lucky finding Selvie on the scrap heap and we got lucky that Hatcher ended up better in the 4-3 than the 3-4. However, Selvie is good but not elite, and Hatcher is old and on the last year of his contract. We have absolutely no future prospects on this D-line. We need a complete overhaul and we set ourselves back a year by not attempting to address is this past draft.

Totally agree we built for the 3-4 and tried running the 4-3

 

[wileedog]

I don't mind the transition to the 4-3, but I think not acquiring the right personnel was a mistake. We kept all the same players and expected them to all play fine in a 4-3. What did we do the year we switched to a 3-4? Got two 1st rounders and drafted Ware and Spears. But, in the long run, I think the switch to a 4-3 was the right move..

I don't disagree, but I think you switch schemes when you are rebuilding, like when Parcells came on board. You don't do a philosophical overhaul when your core pieces are in their 30's and you need to win now.

And even if you do, then you concentrate your draft on making the switch. Even if the projected at the time front 4 DL were arguably good enough for the switch, there was no depth. A 4-3 these days requires a solid rotation of players up front, not 4 good guys and a bunch of scrubs. Even making this switch, we didn't spend a single draft pick on the DL and took a project TE in the 2nd.

It was typically reactionary, spur of the moment Jerry, and we are reaping what he has sowed. Again.

 

[JBS]

Yeah, because Ware JUST turned average this season...



Nice try

 

[unsportsmanlikeconduct]

It appears Carter has not bought in to the system. Maybe he doesn't think he should be covering tight ends and running backs.
He has shown to be a quitter. Not a good combination for success.

 

[dupree89]

Totally agree we built for the 3-4 and tried running the 4-3

I dont have great enough knowledge to say which is better or which we are most suited for....but I just hope we stick with the 4-3 now and hire and draft accordingly.

 

[Hoov]

really.,,,,,just tell us how you really feel........WOW. Guess you didn't see that tremendous Lber just stand there and watch the Giants TE fall down and get up and go in for a score.....untouched....Oh wait blame the coach for that one.....its not Carter's fault he just stood there and watched on national tv..... he is a tremendous Lber after all.........what homer post.

the MODs need to really add a STUPID button right next to the Like button, and Reply Buttons

 

[17yearsandcounting]

Is that he is old and going to croak soon, so we can start all over.

 

[Bungarian]

Carter is the problem with Carter. He didn't learn the new system and his work ethics have been questioned.

Why didn't the new system ruin Lee?