The most telling thing about Jason Fumble...er, I mean Campbell

[Dumbsheet]

And that would be the huge 30+ yard pass made by that Trent Edwards guy to set up the game winning field goal in the Bills game this past Sunday.

Okay, just think about this now: Edwards is a rookie making like his 3rd or 4th start, he's on the road, in the rain, in a hostile environment playing a supposedly "emotionally charged" defense, working a pressure intense one-minute offense without timeouts, with his team needing a win to have any playoff hopes........And he throws this beautiful deep pass down the middle of the field, over and in-between defenders, hitting the receiver in stride. Wins the game.

Now this is EDWARDS we're talking about here, people. A so-so rookie from Whatchamacallit University, and he completely outplays Jason Fumble, who was playing in what, his 20th start in like his 3rd year?

I mean, has Jason Fumble ever completed a clutch pass like that to win a game? Ever??

I know he's had a bunch of opportunities to do it, but his 4th quarter drives speak for themselves...fumbles, interceptions, sacks, 3-and-outs. 'Nuff said. In the grand scheme of things, Fumble is about as close to Romo right now as Pluto is to Mercury.

Oh, and the other troubling thing for Commander fans about that pass from Edwards...it went to the very area of the field Sean Taylor usually patrolled right? Which means they'll be seeing a lot more of that from here on out. And no fix for it either.

So it looks like the skins are gonna have a lot more of other team's qbs making big plays on their defense, and their own quaterback (Jason Fumble) stake his claim as the next Akili Smith/Tony Banks-bust of the NFL.

Oh well, looks like 2008 will be year 16 of the Commanders rebuilding effort.

 

[theebs]

dude.

Campbell has all the tools and is learning.

he is going to be good and he can play.

What is the point of this post. And trent edwards went to stanford and was considered an nfl ready qb because of running an nfl style offense at stanford.

You are reaching here.

 

[garder54]

dude.

Campbell has all the tools and is learning.

he is going to be good and he can play.

now you're the one reaching

 

[Idgit]

dude.

Campbell has all the tools and is learning.

he is going to be good and he can play.

What is the point of this post. And trent edwards went to stanford and was considered an nfl ready qb because of running an nfl style offense at stanford.

You are reaching here.

Can't tell if this is tongue in cheek or not. I think it's not, but I have too high a regard for your powers of assessment, theebs.

Campbell may have all the tools, but he can't play, and he doesn't appear to be learning much. The jury's still out on whether or not he'll ever by good, but my money is on 'no.'

 

[kapolani]

By tools I think he means two arms and two legs.

My grandmother has those you don't see her in the NFL.

 

[Mavs Man]

I think it's too early to call Campbell a bust, but I think even Commanders fans are starting to wonder if things are going to ever click with him.

Btw, to the board.

 

[03EBZ06]

I don't think Campbell is bust but certainly not impressed with this play (inaccuracies and inability to read defense) and TOs/INTs in late 4th quarters. I also don't believe he'll be an elite QB but just a game manager.

 

[theebs]

now you're the one reaching

I am glad these boards were not around in the 90s when some of our players were young.

 

[joseephuss]

I am not sure if Campbell will ever be a great QB, but he is better than Tony Banks or Akili Smith ever were in their careers. For Campbell being in his 3rd year or having 20 starts under his belt is not that much. He did not come from a pro style program in college. He had lots to learn and still does.

The old saying, which I think still holds some merit is that it takes a QB 5 years to truly get it. It could fall between 3 and 5 years depending on their experience coming out of college and the type of experience they get once they reach the pros. I think Aikman would have developed a lot faster if he went to a team that had more talent than that 1989 squad.

I hope Campbell never develops his game because he plays for the Skins, but I am not going to take him lightly.

 

[silverbear]

dude.

Campbell has all the tools and is learning.

he is going to be good and he can play.

What is the point of this post. And trent edwards went to stanford and was considered an nfl ready qb because of running an nfl style offense at stanford.

You are reaching here.

I have a post up in the "Stats Don't Lie" thread on this forum, quoting an article in the Washington Post today that disagrees with your assessment of Campbell... in this case, the stats really don't lie, and they tell a rather different story than the one you're feeding us when it comes to Jason's play...

Rather than go over the specifics of that article again in this thread, I invite you to read the post over there, and if you feel inclined, respond to the statistics cited...

 

[silverbear]

By tools I think he means two arms and two legs.

My grandmother has those you don't see her in the NFL.

Speaking of grandmothers, have any of y'all seen the new commercial, I think it's for Madden's game??

The Skins are playing some team, the game's near the end, and a Skins linebacker comes out of nowhere to make the play, a big hit that essentially wins the game for them (according to the "announcers")... next, the linebacker comes over to the sidelines and whips off HER helmet, and it's some old granny, loudly proclaiming "this is my house", whereupon some other Skin on the sideline says "What??", and granny beats her chest and bellows "THIS IS MY HOUSE"...

The commercial is really cool, that old lady is a hoot...

 

[silverbear]

I think it's too early to call Campbell a bust, but I think even Commanders fans are starting to wonder if things are going to ever click with him.

There's a link to a thread on ES in another thread on this forum, in which some of the fans are calling for the Skins to draft Colt Brennan from Hawaii, the unspoken implication being Colt should be drafted to replace Campbell...

 

[silverbear]

I don't think Campbell is bust but certainly not impressed with this play (inaccuracies and inability to read defense) and TOs/INTs in late 4th quarters. I also don't believe he'll be an elite QB but just a game manager.

It's too early to call him a bust, this seems to me like a normal learning curve for a young QB in the NFL... but it's certainly ridiculous for anybody to assert, based on what we've seen so far, that Campbell is "going to be good"...

So far, he looks like Quincy Carter meets Chad Hutchinson, combining the accuracy issues mixed in with the odd big play of ol' Quincy, with the lousy, bordering on nonexistent, ability to sense a pass rush of Hutch...

 

[theebs]

I have a post up in the "Stats Don't Lie" thread on this forum, quoting an article in the Washington Post today that disagrees with your assessment of Campbell... in this case, the stats really don't lie, and they tell a rather different story than the one you're feeding us when it comes to Jason's play...

Rather than go over the specifics of that article again in this thread, I invite you to read the post over there, and if you feel inclined, respond to the statistics cited...

All his stats are fine and dandy. I dont think he is the best quarterback in this league. I dont think he is the worst.

What I do think is that he is young and is making mistakes young quarterbacks make. It is part of being a young player.

I am not trying to feed any stories to anyone btw. I feel he is very similar to Kerry collins. Big guy, big arm seems to have the tools but makes crucial mistakes. Collins never outgrew the mistakes. Campbell has made 21 starts. I am not ready to declare a guy who has made 21 starts terrible or great.

and yes I do understand his shortcomings. I have said them many times. He seems to take a long time to get rid of the ball, he has accuracy issues on the short throws and excells at the long throws, even though this second half of the season his long throws have been poor also.

I do think his wr group is pretty average to below average and they do not do alot to help him out.

 

[silverbear]

All his stats are fine and dandy. I dont think he is the best quarterback in this league. I dont think he is the worst.

Not the worst, but not even in the top 20...

What I do think is that he is young and is making mistakes young quarterbacks make. It is part of being a young player.

Yes, it is... I've even taken exception to the Skins' ultra-cautious handling of him, saying they were hurting him by not letting him go through the growing pains that virtually every young QB has to go through... but the learning curve doesn't seem to be trending upward at a particularly rapid pace, and Danny Boy is not known for his patience, so I seriously doubt that if he ever does live up to whatever potential he may have, he'll still be with the Skins when it happens...

I feel he is very similar to Kerry collins. Big guy, big arm seems to have the tools but makes crucial mistakes. Collins never outgrew the mistakes. Campbell has made 21 starts. I am not ready to declare a guy who has made 21 starts terrible or great.

Yeah, that's a fair analogy... and I'm not declaring him a bust yet, either... I'm just saying to those who flatly say he WILL be good, that at this point, they have nothing concrete to base that opinion on... he has shown us nothing to suggest that his becoming good is an inevitability...

I do think his wr group is pretty average to below average and they do not do alot to help him out.

His offensive line blows chunks, too...