The mystery of teams that beat themselves

[Jake]

How many times do we hear and see it? They can't get out of their own way. They'll be alright if they don't beat themselves.

How many times did you hear that comparison between the Bills and the Cowboys? The Bills are a team that doesn't beat themselves. So are the Patriots, that's why they've been that good.

The week before, the Cowboys handed 10 of their 13 points to NE with turnovers. They had fumbles in the NO game to stop drives. They have drive stopping penalties early in too many games.

So, why do some teams have that problem and others do not? But the real question is how do you fix the problem? Is this on coaching or on the field leadership?

How does a team fix this problem with the coaches and players they have within the season? Is that probable?

Teams who beat themselves are either mentally weak, poorly coached, or a combination of the two.

It's not unusual for teams to make mistakes. The great ones overcome them.

 

[wecasa]

I would think peer pressure would be the quickest fix. A coach could make them sit out after screwing up, but who has backups capable of not costing you. About the only time I see that is for kick returners, so that's not a good fix.

I think the talent gap between the starters and back up is pretty severe. Besides the fact that no one loses a job for failure to execute. If there was healthy competition for jobs, I think mistakes would clean themselves up. If you were a fumbler or consistenly missing assignments on the O line, the back up should be competent enough to fill in. Next man up. but in the country club that is dallas, that doesn't apply at all. See Brett Maher.

 

[exciter]

He does care.

If he didnt care he wouldnt go for it on 4th. He is about to go on a run all the way the nfccg. I aint giving up at 6-6.. 6-8 maybe but 6-6? We are leading division.

The team as of Thursday has checked out. Theyve been checked out for awhile. Even if they by some chance stumble dorf into the playoffs they're gonna get throttled!

 

[CowboysFever1973]

The team as of Thursday has checked out. Theyve been checked out for awhile. Even if they by some chance stumble dorf into the playoffs they're gonna get throttled!

I still believe. 6-6 and leading the division..Just get in!

 

[cheftjpeck]

They won’t fix it within the season because the problem is the players themselves. Until we rid of this cancerous roster and coaching staff, nothing will change.

Ok ... cool point ... I’ve read it in multiple threads from you .. so how is it you suggest in all your professional football wisdom they fix it ?
I’m guessing release all the players , fire all the coaches .. burn this ** down ??
I get it ... coaching is a huge issue ..
the organization has issues ..
SOME players need a wake up call to reality , but it is far from the entire roster .. I get it ..we’re all frustrated and disappointed .. but while it can’t be fixed this year it’s not the Death Star you propose it to be ... let’s face it , this all stems from current ownership .. and news flash
They ain’t going anywhere .. so there’s that

 

[MysteryIceGuro]

Ok ... cool point ... I’ve read it in multiple threads from you .. so how is it you suggest in all your professional football wisdom they fix it ?
I’m guessing release all the players , fire all the coaches .. burn this ** down ??
I get it ... coaching is a huge issue ..
the organization has issues ..
SOME players need a wake up call to reality , but it is far from the entire roster .. I get it ..we’re all frustrated and disappointed .. but while it can’t be fixed this year it’s not the Death Star you propose it to be ... let’s face it , this all stems from current ownership .. and news flash
They ain’t going anywhere .. so there’s that

Well I guess there’s nothing we can do. Jerry Jones is the one problem we cannot fix. I still vote we cut the entire roster, because a fresh start is better than a half start, but whatever. If you think we can truly do something with this roster, so be it. That kind of positive thinking has destroyed teams in the past.

 

[irving]

Well I guess there’s nothing we can do. Jerry Jones is the one problem we cannot fix. I still vote we cut the entire roster, because a fresh start is better than a half start, but whatever. If you think we can truly do something with this roster, so be it. That kind of positive thinking has destroyed teams in the past.

You do realize there are so many reasons why you can't cut the entire roster? surely you are joking. Coaches lose their jobs every year when their teams don't perform up to standard. Simple coaches get fired entire teams don't.

 

[Dre11]

Coaching, coaching and more coaching.

Look at Cleveland. Very talented. But turnover and penalty prone. Undisciplined. Then look at their HC.

Then look at the Cowboys HC. The explanation becomes obvious. Nothing more needs to be said.

There is no mystery.

So what's the Rams issue? Coach? Eagles?
Did you watch the Alabama/Auburn game today.

 

[cheftjpeck]

You do realize there are so many reasons why you can't cut the entire roster? surely you are joking. Coaches lose their jobs every year when their teams don't perform up to standard. Simple coaches get fired entire teams don't.

Exactly !!!! Thank you for speaking with logic ...

 

[MysteryIceGuro]

You do realize there are so many reasons why you can't cut the entire roster? surely you are joking. Coaches lose their jobs every year when their teams don't perform up to standard. Simple coaches get fired entire teams don't.

Who’s to say we can’t be the first team to make it happen? What’s the worst that could happen?

 

[cowboy_ron]

Who’s to say we can’t be the first team to make it happen? What’s the worst that could happen?

Have you actually ever sought help?

 

[MysteryIceGuro]

Have you actually ever sought help?

There’s no need in wasting my money on help suggested by a random man online. You aren’t an online Rx. I’m fine. You rebut my questions with mental health jokes, yet never seem to actually answer my questions. Strange, innit?

 

[ShiningStar]

There’s no need in wasting my money on help suggested by a random man online. You aren’t an online Rx. I’m fine. You rebut my questions with mental health jokes, yet never seem to actually answer my questions. Strange, innit?

if its waht you believe, its what you believe. im an older guy whos seen this script, but hey, i could be wrong. Sports is like art, there is no science to it as hard as we want to make a science out of it. something is going to happen.

 

[starcity214]

How many times do we hear and see it? They can't get out of their own way. They'll be alright if they don't beat themselves.

How many times did you hear that comparison between the Bills and the Cowboys? The Bills are a team that doesn't beat themselves. So are the Patriots, that's why they've been that good.

The week before, the Cowboys handed 10 of their 13 points to NE with turnovers. They had fumbles in the NO game to stop drives. They have drive stopping penalties early in too many games.

So, why do some teams have that problem and others do not? But the real question is how do you fix the problem? Is this on coaching or on the field leadership?

How does a team fix this problem with the coaches and players they have within the season? Is that probable?

This is dumb TBH.

Did the Eagles "Beat themselves" with all those turnovers when we played them?

What about the Giants with those turnovers late in the game by Danny Dimes?

You could literally say that every team "beat themselves" when they lose.

 

[Parcells4Life]

The fumble by Zeke at the Saints on 4th and 1 is the image that reminds me of this whole season. Players are taking things for granted. Zeke gets the first down and relaxes.

Dak works on the slant all week prior to the Giants and just assumes there won’t be a safety in the hole.

Defenders get to the right place to tackle Dalvin Cook but can’t wrap up.

The players execute the scheme perfectly but the attention to detail required to finish the play is what kills them.

I blamed it on the players though the Packers game. But since it was still happening after Green Bay this is on the coaches for not demanding better.

The old saying is either you’re coaching something or your allowing it to happen

 

[CCBoy]

How many times do we hear and see it? They can't get out of their own way. They'll be alright if they don't beat themselves.

How many times did you hear that comparison between the Bills and the Cowboys? The Bills are a team that doesn't beat themselves. So are the Patriots, that's why they've been that good.

The week before, the Cowboys handed 10 of their 13 points to NE with turnovers. They had fumbles in the NO game to stop drives. They have drive stopping penalties early in too many games.

So, why do some teams have that problem and others do not? But the real question is how do you fix the problem? Is this on coaching or on the field leadership?

How does a team fix this problem with the coaches and players they have within the season? Is that probable?

My analysis...they play in a cerebral arena...not a carpet dominant way. They feel secure by hiding their own secrets, instead of just beating an opponent where they are weakest or can be dominated.

They should save their ego driven showmanship to the bar...and play football by beating their opponents as well as slugfest contests. Rising to the challenge, and not seeking their own concepts instead.

 

[CouchCoach]

If this can be laid all at the feet of coaching, how do we explain 13 penalties by Bama, the most for a Saban coached Bama team, in one of the most important games of the year? There isn't a more detail oriented HC in college ball. He had that same look of resignation on his face that Parcells used to get with the Cowboys when the players kept making mistakes.

 

[mahoneybill]

Good teams find ways to win and usually get "lucky" bounces. I don't think its luck however, but in reality the good team is better coached and prepared for game situations.

So true on the coached and game situations. I don't recall many times seeing Garrett huddled with either side of the ball. Watch a New England game and you will see Belicheck over with the players with the telestrator pointing out things.

The difference between a coach and a " bystander"

 

[BleedinBlue]

So true on the coached and game situations. I don't recall many times seeing Garrett huddled with either side of the ball. Watch a New England game and you will see Belicheck over with the players with the telestrator pointing out things.

The difference between a coach and a " bystander"

Andy Reid makes a habit of sitting with Mahomes after every drive to go over what happened.

 

[JayFord]

With the coaching we have you have to be almost perfect in all areas to have a chance at winning

they dont put you in a position to succeed they overly rely on talent to win games

the issue us no matter how much talent you have when someone schemes against you your talent cannot make up for that

if I have a corner who runs a 6.3 forty yard dash against a receiver who is an olympic level athlete and i know all he does is run streaks then ill back my corner off and put safety help over the top

if i have to go against the strongest Oline in the world why would i try and match power? Im going to use my speed package to negate their strength and get to them before they can use their strength


These are the things dallas does not do