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The company line that Jerry keeps selling that it is a process is total bull. Here is a list of teams who reached at least reached a conference championship game within the first 3 seasons of hiring a new head coach in the last 30 years.

Coach HiredTeamNew Head CoachFirst Qualifying SeasonCoach YearResult
1997Atlanta FalconsDan Reeves19982Super Bowl loss
1997New York JetsBill Parcells19982AFC Championship loss
1997San Francisco 49ersSteve Mariucci19971NFC Championship loss
1997St. Louis RamsDick Vermeil19993Super Bowl win
1998Oakland RaidersJon Gruden20003AFC Championship loss
1999Philadelphia EaglesAndy Reid20013NFC Championship loss
1999Baltimore RavensBrian Billick20002Super Bowl win
2000St. Louis RamsMike Martz20012Super Bowl loss
2000New England PatriotsBill Belichick20012Super Bowl win
2002Tampa Bay BuccaneersJon Gruden20021Super Bowl win
2002Oakland RaidersBill Callahan20021Super Bowl loss
2002Carolina PanthersJohn Fox20032Super Bowl loss
2002Indianapolis ColtsTony Dungy20032AFC Championship loss
2004Atlanta FalconsJim Mora Jr.20041NFC Championship loss
2004Chicago BearsLovie Smith20063Super Bowl loss
2006New Orleans SaintsSean Payton20061NFC Championship loss
2006Green Bay PackersMike McCarthy20072NFC Championship loss
2007San Diego ChargersNorv Turner20071AFC Championship loss
2007Arizona CardinalsKen Whisenhunt20082Super Bowl loss
2007Pittsburgh SteelersMike Tomlin20082Super Bowl win
2008Baltimore RavensJohn Harbaugh20081AFC Championship loss
2009Indianapolis ColtsJim Caldwell20091Super Bowl loss
2009New York JetsRex Ryan20091AFC Championship loss
2011San Francisco 49ersJim Harbaugh20111NFC Championship loss
2011Denver BroncosJohn Fox20133Super Bowl loss
2012Indianapolis ColtsChuck Pagano20143AFC Championship loss
2013Arizona CardinalsBruce Arians20153NFC Championship loss
2015Denver BroncosGary Kubiak20151Super Bowl win
2015Atlanta FalconsDan Quinn20162Super Bowl loss
2016Philadelphia EaglesDoug Pederson20172Super Bowl win
2017Jacksonville JaguarsDoug Marrone20171AFC Championship loss
2017Los Angeles RamsSean McVay20182Super Bowl loss
2017San Francisco 49ersKyle Shanahan20193Super Bowl loss
2018Tennessee TitansMike Vrabel20192AFC Championship loss
2019Tampa Bay BuccaneersBruce Arians20202Super Bowl win
2019Green Bay PackersMatt LaFleur20191NFC Championship loss
2019Cincinnati BengalsZac Taylor20213Super Bowl loss
2021Philadelphia EaglesNick Sirianni20222Super Bowl loss
2021Detroit LionsDan Campbell20233NFC Championship loss
2023Denver BroncosSean Payton20253AFC Championship loss
2024Washington CommandersDan Quinn20241NFC Championship loss
2024Seattle SeahawksMike Macdonald20252Super Bowl win
2025New England PatriotsMike Vrabel20251Super Bowl loss
 
In this era, you can't afford to be taking more than 3 years to rebuild due to salaries and injuries. When you go in, you gotta go all the way in. Jump in and take your crack at it in a small window. Jerry and his idiot son think they have eternity since their jobs are safe. That's why they will never win a SB on their own. I agree it is a farce.
 
CyberB0b said:
The company line that Jerry keeps selling that it is a process is total bull. Here is a list of teams who reached at least reached a conference championship game within the first 3 seasons of hiring a new head coach in the last 30 years.

Coach HiredTeamNew Head CoachFirst Qualifying SeasonCoach YearResult
1997Atlanta FalconsDan Reeves19982Super Bowl loss
1997New York JetsBill Parcells19982AFC Championship loss
1997San Francisco 49ersSteve Mariucci19971NFC Championship loss
1997St. Louis RamsDick Vermeil19993Super Bowl win
1998Oakland RaidersJon Gruden20003AFC Championship loss
1999Philadelphia EaglesAndy Reid20013NFC Championship loss
1999Baltimore RavensBrian Billick20002Super Bowl win
2000St. Louis RamsMike Martz20012Super Bowl loss
2000New England PatriotsBill Belichick20012Super Bowl win
2002Tampa Bay BuccaneersJon Gruden20021Super Bowl win
2002Oakland RaidersBill Callahan20021Super Bowl loss
2002Carolina PanthersJohn Fox20032Super Bowl loss
2002Indianapolis ColtsTony Dungy20032AFC Championship loss
2004Atlanta FalconsJim Mora Jr.20041NFC Championship loss
2004Chicago BearsLovie Smith20063Super Bowl loss
2006New Orleans SaintsSean Payton20061NFC Championship loss
2006Green Bay PackersMike McCarthy20072NFC Championship loss
2007San Diego ChargersNorv Turner20071AFC Championship loss
2007Arizona CardinalsKen Whisenhunt20082Super Bowl loss
2007Pittsburgh SteelersMike Tomlin20082Super Bowl win
2008Baltimore RavensJohn Harbaugh20081AFC Championship loss
2009Indianapolis ColtsJim Caldwell20091Super Bowl loss
2009New York JetsRex Ryan20091AFC Championship loss
2011San Francisco 49ersJim Harbaugh20111NFC Championship loss
2011Denver BroncosJohn Fox20133Super Bowl loss
2012Indianapolis ColtsChuck Pagano20143AFC Championship loss
2013Arizona CardinalsBruce Arians20153NFC Championship loss
2015Denver BroncosGary Kubiak20151Super Bowl win
2015Atlanta FalconsDan Quinn20162Super Bowl loss
2016Philadelphia EaglesDoug Pederson20172Super Bowl win
2017Jacksonville JaguarsDoug Marrone20171AFC Championship loss
2017Los Angeles RamsSean McVay20182Super Bowl loss
2017San Francisco 49ersKyle Shanahan20193Super Bowl loss
2018Tennessee TitansMike Vrabel20192AFC Championship loss
2019Tampa Bay BuccaneersBruce Arians20202Super Bowl win
2019Green Bay PackersMatt LaFleur20191NFC Championship loss
2019Cincinnati BengalsZac Taylor20213Super Bowl loss
2021Philadelphia EaglesNick Sirianni20222Super Bowl loss
2021Detroit LionsDan Campbell20233NFC Championship loss
2023Denver BroncosSean Payton20253AFC Championship loss
2024Washington CommandersDan Quinn20241NFC Championship loss
2024Seattle SeahawksMike Macdonald20252Super Bowl win
2025New England PatriotsMike Vrabel20251Super Bowl loss
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Nah, it takes 31 + years
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Jerry talking about patience…what a self-own.

We are starting the fourth decade since winning two playoff games in a row under the same GM talking about patience with rebuilding. Please Jerry.

He’s like the architect of the Titanic saying we need to allow him to build another ship that won’t sink after his previous 30 have hit the same iceberg. It’s the living definition of insanity.
 
Bobhaze said:
Jerry talking about patience…what a self-own.

We are starting the fourth decade since winning two playoff games in a row under the same GM talking about patience with rebuilding. Please Jerry.

He’s like the architect of the Titanic saying we need to allow him to build another ship that won’t sink after his previous 30 have hit the same iceberg. It’s the living definition of insanity.
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We’re past patience. We’ve into toxic enabling. I wish they could stop home sell outs. That would help.
 
I can promise...and I do mean promise....we are sniffing ANYTHING with Brian S as the head coach...so at the very least...the clock does not start until we hire the NEXT head coach. We are drawing dead with Schotty!
 
NoLuv4Jerry said:
I can promise...and I do mean promise....we are sniffing ANYTHING with Brian S as the head coach...so at the very least...the clock does not start until we hire the NEXT head coach. We are drawing dead with Schotty!
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Hiring a new HC with the worst GM in the NFL at the helm is not doing ish. We've seen that scenario play out multiple times.
 
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diamonddelts said:
Hiring a new HC with the worst GM in the NFL at the helm is not doing ish. We've seen that scenario play out multiple times.
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For sure...but I am just being honest about what I know already. Schotty is trying to learn HOW to coach...under the glare of the Dallas Cowboys...AND call plays at the same time. He is way in over his head with this many hats to wear. Not to mention a brand new young defensive coordinator. It is a schmitt show in Dallas as far as coaching is concerned.
 
CyberB0b said:
The company line that Jerry keeps selling that it is a process is total bull. Here is a list of teams who reached at least reached a conference championship game within the first 3 seasons of hiring a new head coach in the last 30 years.

Coach HiredTeamNew Head CoachFirst Qualifying SeasonCoach YearResult
1997Atlanta FalconsDan Reeves19982Super Bowl loss
1997New York JetsBill Parcells19982AFC Championship loss
1997San Francisco 49ersSteve Mariucci19971NFC Championship loss
1997St. Louis RamsDick Vermeil19993Super Bowl win
1998Oakland RaidersJon Gruden20003AFC Championship loss
1999Philadelphia EaglesAndy Reid20013NFC Championship loss
1999Baltimore RavensBrian Billick20002Super Bowl win
2000St. Louis RamsMike Martz20012Super Bowl loss
2000New England PatriotsBill Belichick20012Super Bowl win
2002Tampa Bay BuccaneersJon Gruden20021Super Bowl win
2002Oakland RaidersBill Callahan20021Super Bowl loss
2002Carolina PanthersJohn Fox20032Super Bowl loss
2002Indianapolis ColtsTony Dungy20032AFC Championship loss
2004Atlanta FalconsJim Mora Jr.20041NFC Championship loss
2004Chicago BearsLovie Smith20063Super Bowl loss
2006New Orleans SaintsSean Payton20061NFC Championship loss
2006Green Bay PackersMike McCarthy20072NFC Championship loss
2007San Diego ChargersNorv Turner20071AFC Championship loss
2007Arizona CardinalsKen Whisenhunt20082Super Bowl loss
2007Pittsburgh SteelersMike Tomlin20082Super Bowl win
2008Baltimore RavensJohn Harbaugh20081AFC Championship loss
2009Indianapolis ColtsJim Caldwell20091Super Bowl loss
2009New York JetsRex Ryan20091AFC Championship loss
2011San Francisco 49ersJim Harbaugh20111NFC Championship loss
2011Denver BroncosJohn Fox20133Super Bowl loss
2012Indianapolis ColtsChuck Pagano20143AFC Championship loss
2013Arizona CardinalsBruce Arians20153NFC Championship loss
2015Denver BroncosGary Kubiak20151Super Bowl win
2015Atlanta FalconsDan Quinn20162Super Bowl loss
2016Philadelphia EaglesDoug Pederson20172Super Bowl win
2017Jacksonville JaguarsDoug Marrone20171AFC Championship loss
2017Los Angeles RamsSean McVay20182Super Bowl loss
2017San Francisco 49ersKyle Shanahan20193Super Bowl loss
2018Tennessee TitansMike Vrabel20192AFC Championship loss
2019Tampa Bay BuccaneersBruce Arians20202Super Bowl win
2019Green Bay PackersMatt LaFleur20191NFC Championship loss
2019Cincinnati BengalsZac Taylor20213Super Bowl loss
2021Philadelphia EaglesNick Sirianni20222Super Bowl loss
2021Detroit LionsDan Campbell20233NFC Championship loss
2023Denver BroncosSean Payton20253AFC Championship loss
2024Washington CommandersDan Quinn20241NFC Championship loss
2024Seattle SeahawksMike Macdonald20252Super Bowl win
2025New England PatriotsMike Vrabel20251Super Bowl loss
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Well done.

About the only contrary response I have: Did those teams have a none-NFL GM who consistently made bad draft picks and consistently overpaid the wrong players?

There are a ton of factors involved. Basically, this team takes longer to turn it around due to having a bad GM and no core of top players due to bad drafting.
 
kskboys said:
Well done.

About the only contrary response I have: Did those teams have a none-NFL GM who consistently made bad draft picks and consistently overpaid the wrong players?

There are a ton of factors involved. Basically, this team takes longer to turn it around due to having a bad GM and no core of top players due to bad drafting.
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I didn’t get that granular, but most of them were bad teams who fired their coach. A few of them were retirements, but those are rare.

NoLuv4Jerry said:
For sure...but I am just being honest about what I know already. Schotty is trying to learn HOW to coach...under the glare of the Dallas Cowboys...AND call plays at the same time. He is way in over his head with this many hats to wear. Not to mention a brand new young defensive coordinator. It is a schmitt show in Dallas as far as coaching is concerned.
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He’s no spring chicken. He’s been in the league as position coach+ since 2001.
 
Conference championships aren't an important benchmark. That's especially true in the NFL, when teams can fluke their way there.
 
It's at least a decade long search to find an above average QB. I've been assured of that by some very respected posters here.
 
CyberB0b said:
I didn’t get that granular, but most of them were bad teams who fired their coach.


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Bob using the word granular in his explanation is always a good way for us to start the day. Atta boy, Bob. :thumbup:
 
It's sad that we have relegated ourselves to thinking conference championships mean anything. Truly a sad state of affairs for our fanbase.
 
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