The Offensive line is truly offensive. Is there any hope of repair?

[mmohican29]

Ok. We have the QB we want in there. Now does he last the season? I have never in my 25yr history of rooting for the 'Boys seen worse OL play. And yes that includes Phil Pozderac. I just watched the NYG game for the second time and it is clear that we can expect the Panthers to bum rush the line EVERY down.

What is going on with this? Randy Cross is on NFL sirius radio right now just bludgeoning our O-Line for causing the whole QB switch and he's at least half right. What needs to be done or said to Adams, Kosier, Gurode, and Columbo at this point. I mean people are running free to the QB off the snap! And on the other hand, why are we not trying this on opposing teams if our O-Line is "average".

Is it scheme?... is it personnel?... is it snap count?? I am an avid BP fan but someone needs to personally challenge HIM to fix this and do it now before it's too late and our QB of the future gets murdered.

Let's call out the O-Line. This is just awful awful professional play. In fact if you didn't notice, now that people are aware of the fact that inside blitzes kill us, they do it EVERY DOWN because 2/3 of the time the running plays are called off guard or center putting the rushers in place to make the play.

CMON BILL... this is ridiculous. ***.:bang2: This is the KEY to the season from this point on. I think #9 is gonna do a good job, but yes he too needs some help, and in some ways more than Drew.

 

[Doomsday101]

Ok. We have the QB we want in there. Now does he last the season? I have never in my 25yr history of rooting for the 'Boys seen worse OL play. And yes that includes Phil Pozderac. I just watched the NYG game for the second time and it is clear that we can expect the Panthers to bum rush the line EVERY down.

What is going on with this? Randy Cross is on NFL sirius radio right now just bludgeoning our O-Line for causing the whole QB switch and he's at least half right. What needs to be done or said to Adams, Kosier, Gurode, and Columbo at this point. I mean people are running free to the QB off the snap! And on the other hand, why are we not trying this on opposing teams if our O-Line is "average".

Is it scheme?... is it personnel?... is it snap count?? I am an avid BP fan but someone needs to personally challenge HIM to fix this and do it now before it's too late and our QB of the future gets murdered.

Let's call out the O-Line. This is just awful awful professional play. In fact if you didn't notice, now that people are aware of the fact that inside blitzes kill us, they do it EVERY DOWN because 2/3 of the time the running plays are called off guard or center putting the rushers in place to make the play.

CMON BILL... this is ridiculous. ***.:bang2: This is the KEY to the season from this point on. I think #9 is gonna do a good job, but yes he too needs some help, and in some ways more than Drew.

I believe these guys are capable of playing much better than they have so yes I think there is still the chance that this line will get its act together. I'm not saying they will be a top notch unit but they can get better than what they are doing right now

 

[superpunk]

A few bad plays, and one bad total game (against NY) and they're offensive. 13 sacks in 2 games, and 5 in the other 4. This with the most renowned statue in the league back there. They have had games where they have committed unforgivable mental errors. But blanket statements like them being truly offensive is just a lazy glance at a stat sheet. They have been leaps and bounds better than last year.

 

[mmohican29]

Leaps and Bounds? please. So it's ok to surrender 18 sacks in 6 games. However you want to look at it, our O-Line sucks to high heaven at this point. I just wanna know how we can fix it. Thanks for the ideas. (0).

 

[superpunk]

Yes leaps and bounds. In case you didn't notice, we had the two worst tackles in the entire league playing for us last year. You can continue tossing around 18 sacks in six games, without acknowledging that 13 of those (about 70%) came in only two games, which are definitely the two worst games our line has played. The line has played a large part in our three losses, but considering who they were protecting, they have done a nice job for the most part. Add in the fact that our run game is infinitely better than last year, and yes - they are leaps and bounds better than last year.

The only legitimate suggestion for improvement would be a better option at LT, since Flo has been pretty bad coming back from injury, and it seemingly hasn't been physical, but mental. That would be my suggestion. But I don't think there's anything we can do about that right now.

 

[Dalmations202]

This year is over as far as the o-line. This team goes as far as the O-line will take them, which I think is first round playoffs at best.

"Can" both guards. Trade your #2 - #4 draft pick for a known quality like Leonard Davis, and then move him back to guard.

Use a 1- 3 round pick on an O-lineman closer to ready to play.

Go get a true O-Line coach.

The only people I think should be here on the o-line next year are Adams - with McQuistan pushing, Gurode/Johnson (who better put on some weight and strength), Proctor and Columbo.

All the rest need an upgrade. Draft them, sign them, and trade for them.

This was the downfall of last years team, and now the downfall of this one.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yes leaps and bounds. In case you didn't notice, we had the two worst tackles in the entire league playing for us last year. You can continue tossing around 18 sacks in six games, without acknowledging that 13 of those (about 70%) came in only two games, which are definitely the two worst games our line has played. The line has played a large part in our three losses, but considering who they were protecting, they have done a nice job for the most part. Add in the fact that our run game is infinitely better than last year, and yes - they are leaps and bounds better than last year.

The only legitimate suggestion for improvement would be a better option at LT, since Flo has been pretty bad coming back from injury, and it seemingly hasn't been physical, but mental. That would be my suggestion. But I don't think there's anything we can do about that right now.

I agree and would say that if it were guys getting pushed around that would be hard to correct but if these mistakes are mental then yes many of the mistakes can be corrected.

 

[iceberg]

it's funny that *now* bashing the OL is all the rage. it just doesn't seem long ago post after post was about how "great" they were going to be. "flo" would be back. a complete list of "positives" was painted and the world was going to be a wonderful place.

i still sometimes can't believe the heat i took because i didn't "buy" it. turns out a lot of people didn't they just weren't "vocal" to avoid the "you're not a fan!!!" commentary.

glad the blinders are off - only way to fix it.

 

[superpunk]

This was the downfall of last years team, and now the downfall of this one.

Come on. Does the offensive line continue to get it's butt reamed for instant big-play points like our safeties, particularly Pat Watkins? Did the Oline fumble the snap for McBriar? Did the Oline throw that deadly pick before the half against NY? There's much more seriously wrong with this team than the Oline failing in two games.

 

[Alexander]

it's funny that *now* bashing the OL is all the rage. it just doesn't seem long ago post after post was about how "great" they were going to be. "flo" would be back. a complete list of "positives" was painted and the world was going to be a wonderful place.

i still sometimes can't believe the heat i took because i didn't "buy" it. turns out a lot of people didn't they just weren't "vocal" to avoid the "you're not a fan!!!" commentary.

glad the blinders are off - only way to fix it.

It's even funnier that now you are claiming victory and beating your chest.

If that's your agenda, and I firmly believe it is given your self-serving commentary, I would wait until they have proven how bad they indeed are with another more mobile quarterback at the helm.

And when that occurs, I will be right there to give you the credit that you so dearly crave.

 

[Doomsday101]

The line will get a big test this Sunday and expect the blitz to continue. Any time a defense is seeing an inexperienced QB they are going to test him by throwing everything they got at him.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

I mentioned in earlier threads that a lot of respected football men (not rabid fans) know the real problem in Dallas...AND they are speaking up. Actually, if you listen to the MNF football crew, you can hear them talking as the show is going to commercial...they obviously thought they were off the air..but you can hear Irvin clear as day say "there is no blocking"...that my friends is the real problem in Dallas...and no amount of QB changes...2 TE sets or bringing in TO will stop good teams from exposing the real problem in Dallas

 

[CrazyCowboy]

POSITIVE--they did not get a lot of penalities called on them!

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Is it scheme?... is it personnel?... is it snap count?? I am an avid BP fan but someone needs to personally challenge HIM to fix this and do it now before it's too late and our QB of the future gets murdered.

The good news is that Dallas' O-Line has rarely been physically beaten to the sack. Out of everything I've seen, I only recall Colombo getting beat physically once (and it wasn't helped by Bledsoe), Rivera only a few times, once by Gurode, twice by Kosier and about 4 times for Flozell.

That's really not bad at all. The problem is that they are getting beat mentally.

Some of it is just mental mistakes by the O-Line that's completely their fault. However, I think some of it is playcalling and snap count.

On the safety by Arrington, they ran a normal 2 TE formation. Witten alongside Colombo and Fasano alongside Flozell. Arrington came down in between the DT and Strahan.

The playcall had Witten go out in a pass pattern. Thus, Colombo needed to block down on Arrington, but instead he went out wide on Strahan. However, even if Colombo blocks down on Arrington correctly, that leaves Julius on Strahan. Bledsoe would have to make a quick hot read to avoid Strahan. In essence, I hated the playcall.

On Romo's first sack, Dallas once again had Witten lined up alongside Colombo and sent him out on a pass pattern. NYG was in a 4-3 alignment with their LB's moved over towards Witten's side. The strongside LB was lined up on the line of scrimmage, outside of Witten.

When the ball was snapped, the strongside LB blitzed. Romo made the right read, throw towards the side the blitzer was coming from. But the LB jumped in the air to bat the pass down and Romo couldn't throw the ball and the LB wound up sacking Romo.

On that play, Colombo blocked down, but he should've looked outside first. Problem was even if Colombo tried to block the blitzing strongside LB, I highly doubt any offensive tackle could've gotten to him since the strongside LB was lined up too far to the outside for Colombo to get to him.

Missed assignments will happen from time to time and it's the QB's responsibility to still protect the ball. But Dallas has these missed assignments way too often. It seems like they really struggle on delayed blitzes and part of that appears to be the defenses correctly guessing the snap count and inordinate amount of the time.

But overall, I've come up with some positives from the O-Line. Kosier looks like he can play. Colombo was looking solid until the NYG game. Gurode has played well at center. Rivera and Flozell you can probably get 1 more year out of and with Rivera, finding a replacement at guard is probably one of the easier positions to do in the NFL. Give that Kosier, Gurode and Colombo are no older than 27 years old, I think there's a decent foundation there. If Romo can prove to be a quality NFL starter, that would be a huge step into solidifying the future.


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