The only 5 players we should consider for #9

[TheFinisher]

I've narrowed down my list to 5 guys who I want at that #9 spot. I decided that I don't even want to look at the offensive side of the ball with that pick, we know we're a top 5 offense as long as we avoid the injury bug. Heck we even finished 6th in total offense this year with Kitna running the show. Give Rob Ryan another stud to plug in on defense to allow him to create chaos on that side of the ball. The teams we play know they're getting into a shootout so our recipe for success on D will rely heavily on getting after their Quarterback, forcing them into mistakes, and limiting the big plays through the air. Here are my guys who can help us do that in 2011:

1. Patrick Peterson

Like most number 1 targets on team boards, we'll need some shockers to happen on draft day for a chance to land this guy. When I watch Peterson play I can't help but think of Charles Woodson, he is the definition of playmaker. PP has the versatility to play any position in our secondary and ideally would fill that black hole we have at FS. With the amount of pressure Rob's blitzes will dial up we need a playmaker who is ready to pounce on opposing quarterbacks' mistakes to reach our potential on defense. Turnovers are the single most important stat for great defenses and having a guy like Peterson roaming the middle of the field is an ideal situation to create turnovers. PP also has the versatility to man up on any receiver and would essentially give us 3 capable man defenders in our base defense.

2. Marcell Dareus

The best way to get after the Quarterback is by consistent interior pressure. We know Jay Ratliff is a capable rusher but if we want to really create some mismatches on the inside we need to complement him with an equally talented player. Dareus has shown the ability to simply take over games as an interior player in the SEC. His combination of power and athleticism is second to none IMO in this draft class among interior lineman. Dareus would provide a significant upgrade at either End spot and could be the missing piece to making our front 7 truly dynamic in the pass rush and equally stout in the run game. He would command double teams at End and create more 1 on 1 opportunities for the other rushers on our defense. If we add Dareus we could witness an overwhelming pass rush on defense for years to come and take some pressure off our secondary.

3. Prince Amukamara

With Rob's blitz heavy scheme we are going to ask our corners to play on an island more than they're used to. In a league where 3 and 4 receiver sets are becoming more common it would be wise to upgrade the cornerback position. Prince has all the makings of a shutdown corner in the NFL and would allow Newman or Jenkins to move into the slot giving us one of the best corner trios in the league. We've all witnessed what the Jets have accomplished with great cornerback play and Rob may want to copy his brother's blueprint for success. Pass rush and coverage go hand and hand, and a Prince selection will reap benfits for both.

4. Von Miller

Miller is the ultimate luxury pick for us as 9 as he wouldn't necessarily fill a position of need but in the grand scheme of things would give Rob another weapon to use in his blitzes. Miller has the athleticism to play any Linebacker position and the speed to be a terrorizing blitzer from any angle. We could get very creative on 3rd downs and become very confusing in blitz pick up for offensive lineman and backs. As a long term starter I'm still unsure where Miller would find a home but his value as an immediate weapon may be too much for a guy like Rob to pass over.

5. Robert Quinn

If by some strange reason Robert Quinn were to fall into our laps on draft day we should jump all over it. He doesn't have the versatility of a Von Miller where he can play ILB but his potential could give us another DeMarcus Ware caliber edge rusher. The Giants have proven that you can never have enough top notch edge rushers so Anthony Spencer should not be a reason to pass on Quinn. Rob has experimented with the 46 and Quinn would allow us to run lots of it whether he lined up as a true RE or filled in as a Joker type LB. Much like Miller, Quinn would be a weapon early on that we could use in different ways including a true Nickel rush end.


One of these guys will fall into our laps at 9 especially with all the QB needy teams in front of us. Any one of them would give us another stud defensive player that fits into what Rob Ryan is trying to create on that side of the ball.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Prince is probably the only player that will be there at #9.

You need to add Tyron Smith to that list. (if he even makes it to #9)

 

[The Natural]

I dont want any part of Amukamara

 

[Jaxonsdaddd]

I like the thought that went into the post but here is my list.

I believe AJ Green will go in the top 8 to someone, somewhere. I think if you were just rating him as a football player, regardless of position, he may be ranked #1 in this whole draft.

So if AJ Green goes top 8 and Cam Newton goes top 8, either to Buffalo, Cleveland or some other team in a trade up. That leaves me hoping one of the players on my list may be there.

1) Von Miller- I think when people look back at this draft he will be the best of the defensive players who have top 10 consideration. He is the closest thing to former Chiefs great Derrick Thomas that I have seen.

2) Patrick Peterson-Everyone probably agrees to no explanation here.

3) Marcell Dareus- I think he is a better player that Nick Fairley and would prefer him. He transitions much better to a 34 defensive end than does Fairley for me

4) Nick Fairley-Im not as high on him as some. I think the title game against Oregon actually concerned me most. Yes he made some plays in Oregons backfield, when Oregon chose to not block him on a few plays, but I saw him taking plays off in that game. SO it scares me to see a player in a national championship game, taking plays off. However, if he was at #9 then the risk/reward would make sense taking him. I do have concerns about him as a D-end in a 34 defense and I have a little concern about his "wan too" to play the nose in the 34 if we moved Ratliff to end.

5) Cameron Jordan-I think he is a great player and think will be a very good NFL player. I think hes a future star and would give us 3 star quality players in our front 7.

If these 5 are gone then I would like to move down to around 15 and maybe grab and OT

 

[egn22]

So you'd pass up on everyone else regardless of how the combine, free agency, trades, etc. play out? That's too strong of a commitment with too little knowledge for my taste.

 

[realtick]

Marcel Dareus is JAG.

 

[TheFinisher]

So you'd pass up on everyone else regardless of how the combine, free agency, trades, etc. play out? That's too strong of a commitment with too little knowledge for my taste.

There will be no FA or trades before the draft because of the issues with the CBA. The combine won't change how I look at these guys unless they peform surprising poor, which probably won't happen.

Prince is probably the only player that will be there at #9.

You need to add Tyron Smith to that list. (if he even makes it to #9)

CIN, ARI, BUF, SF, TEN all need QBs. They won't be able to trade or pick up a QB in FA before the draft. It's illogical for all those teams to pass on a franchise QB in the draft with the clouded CBA agreements.

And taking a huge project RT at 9 doesn't match up with draft value. You need to draft someone who is ready to play at 9.

I dont want any part of Amukamara

Any reason? He's universally thought of as a top 10 pick.

 

[TheFinisher]

I like the thought that went into the post but here is my list.

I believe AJ Green will go in the top 8 to someone, somewhere. I think if you were just rating him as a football player, regardless of position, he may be ranked #1 in this whole draft.

So if AJ Green goes top 8 and Cam Newton goes top 8, either to Buffalo, Cleveland or some other team in a trade up. That leaves me hoping one of the players on my list may be there.

1) Von Miller- I think when people look back at this draft he will be the best of the defensive players who have top 10 consideration. He is the closest thing to former Chiefs great Derrick Thomas that I have seen.

2) Patrick Peterson-Everyone probably agrees to no explanation here.

3) Marcell Dareus- I think he is a better player that Nick Fairley and would prefer him. He transitions much better to a 34 defensive end than does Fairley for me

4) Nick Fairley-Im not as high on him as some. I think the title game against Oregon actually concerned me most. Yes he made some plays in Oregons backfield, when Oregon chose to not block him on a few plays, but I saw him taking plays off in that game. SO it scares me to see a player in a national championship game, taking plays off. However, if he was at #9 then the risk/reward would make sense taking him. I do have concerns about him as a D-end in a 34 defense and I have a little concern about his "wan too" to play the nose in the 34 if we moved Ratliff to end.

5) Cameron Jordan-I think he is a great player and think will be a very good NFL player. I think hes a future star and would give us 3 star quality players in our front 7.

If these 5 are gone then I would like to move down to around 15 and maybe grab and OT

I like that list except for Jordan, he's never displayed the strength to hold up as an interior player in the NFL. He's purely a LE in a 40 front imo.

The other 4 guys would be outstanding picks though.

 

[TheFinisher]

Marcel Dareus is JAG.

Why? (10char)

 

[YosemiteSam]

CIN, ARI, BUF, SF, TEN all need QBs. They won't be able to trade or pick up a QB in FA before the draft. It's illogical for all those teams to pass on a franchise QB in the draft with the clouded CBA agreements.

And taking a huge project RT at 9 doesn't match up with draft value. You need to draft someone who is ready to play at 9.

FYI, there aren't 5QB going to be taken in the top 8.

Tyron Smith will start a game this year for someone. Project that.

 

[TheFinisher]

FYI, there aren't 5QB going to be taken in the top 8.

Where did I say that?

Tyron Smith will start a game this year for someone. Project that.

Doesn't justify his value at 9.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Prince is probably the only player that will be there at #9.

CIN, ARI, BUF, SF, TEN all need QBs. They won't be able to trade or pick up a QB in FA before the draft. It's illogical for all those teams to pass on a franchise QB in the draft with the clouded CBA agreements.

FYI, there aren't 5QB going to be taken in the top 8.

Where did I say that?

Whoops!

Doesn't justify his value at 9.

It is a hell of a lot more justified than drafting Prince at #9.

 

[realtick]

Why? (10char)

Watched him closely all year anticipating big things from him. Was very underwhelmed with him. I saw a guy who disappeared for series at a time. He's what I call a "croc" type of player, in other words the same way a crocodile takes time to build up its strength to have a limited burst of energy, Dareus will show up for a play or two and then disappear.

I don't see any explosion, short-area quickness or any one thing that makes him special. In fact, I see a guy who was stonewalled quite a lot.

I haven't made any proclamtions on any prospects, good or bad, but Dareus is the one guy I am willing to say with confidence is just going to be another guy IMO.

I have no problems being called on it if I'm wrong.

 

[jnday]

Watched him closely all year anticipating big things from him. Was very underwhelmed with him. I saw a guy who disappeared for series at a time. He's what I a "croc" type of player, in other words the same way a crocodile takes time to build up its strength to have a burst, Dareus will show up for a play or two and then disappear.

I don't see any explosion, short-area quickness or any one thing that makes him special.

I haven't made any proclamtions on any prospects, good or bad, but Dareus is the one guy I am willing to say with confidence is just going to be another guy IMO.

This.:signmast:

 

[TheFinisher]

Whoops!

For the reading impaired:

"It's illogical for all those teams to pass on a franchise QB"

Does not mean

"All of those teams will take a QB"

 

[YosemiteSam]

For the reading impaired:

"It's illogical for all those teams to pass on a franchise QB"

Does not mean

"All of those teams will take a QB"

You're just pissed, shadup! :laugh2:

 

[TheFinisher]

It is a hell of a lot more justified than drafting Prince at #9.

There's no credible source that would agree with you on that statement, I can guarantee that.

 

[TheFinisher]

You're just pissed, shadup! :laugh2:

That was a pretty poor attempt of trying to allude that I said something that I clearly did not, and then getting exposed.

Trying to play it off after the fact is rather expected.

Cheers

 

[YosemiteSam]

There's no credible source that would agree with you on that statement, I can guarantee that.

Define credible? Anything agreeing with your thoughts?

That was a pretty poor attempt of trying to allude that I said something that I clearly did not, and then getting exposed.

Trying to play it off after the fact is rather expected.

Cheers

I don't play anything off. You are the one who came on hear and claimed the Cowboys should only look at guys at #9 that are almost certain won't even be on the freaking board. (except Prince of course. noted earlier)

So, if we are going to make lame claims. I think the Cowboys should trade down to 21 and then select Patrick Peterson or Nick Fairley depending on which one is available at the time. Then in the second round, they should then draft Da'Quan Bowers and then A.J. Green in the 3rd. Lets get Von Miller in the 4th just for good measure. I mean, at least one of them will probably be there!

 

[johnnyd]

i would really hate to pass up on a potential stud OLB like quinn or miller because we "already have" spencer. i hope ryan can help spencer take his game to the next level but what if he cant? it isnt guranteeed that he will suddenley regain his focus and be a beast. If spencer doesnt step up we are left with ware as our only reliable pass rusher(not including exotic blitzes and i am working under the assuming that we will not be adding any free agent's for the sake of this thread) . sprinkle in a little ratliff here and there but in a 3-4 you can never have to many OLB's that can rush the passer , just like the way some teams rotate there end's in a 4-3. i dont want to give up on spencer or butler just yet but what is the worst thing that could happen we have to many awesome pass rushers?