The Overanalysis of Tim Tebow

[casmith07]

For those that have been under a sports news-related rock, Tim Tebow had his pro day today and showed off his new throwing motion.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't care about his throwing motion and everything, but he proved that he can win football games, and just the fact that he's worked for 6 weeks on his delivery shows that he's willing to do what it takes to improve and to win.

Part of what bothers me as well, is you've got guys in the NFL like Kerry Collins starting for an NFL franchise, and analysts (until this past year) were lauding him as one of the best to come back, driving the bus, taking them to the playoffs, with quite possibly the most telegraphic passing motion in the history of American Football. But it is the draft - it's crazy like that.

I'm not lobbying for Tim Tebow in Dallas, because we've got a QB and we've got one that we might be able to groom in McGee, but just making a case to stop hating on Tim Tebow so much. :

 

[joseephuss]

I don't over analyze Tebow. I only had to watch him a couple of times to know he would not be a good NFL QB.

 

[DFWJC]

For those that have been under a sports news-related rock, Tim Tebow had his pro day today and showed off his new throwing motion.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't care about his throwing motion and everything, but he proved that he can win football games, and just the fact that he's worked for 6 weeks on his delivery shows that he's willing to do what it takes to improve and to win.

Part of what bothers me as well, is you've got guys in the NFL like Kerry Collins starting for an NFL franchise, and analysts (until this past year) were lauding him as one of the best to come back, driving the bus, taking them to the playoffs, with quite possibly the most telegraphic passing motion in the history of American Football. But it is the draft - it's crazy like that.

I'm not lobbying for Tim Tebow in Dallas, because we've got a QB and we've got one that we might be able to groom in McGee, but just making a case to stop hating on Tim Tebow so much. :

I like Tebow's character and I'm pulling for him as a player. I really hope he does not go somewhere where the pressure will be to start him in the next 2 years. Jon Gruden seems to think he can pull it off if given time...and he knows QBs pretty well.

I have no idea how Tebow will do. I assume he'll be able to play (or ride the bench) in the league for a many years, but just how good he'll be is a mystery to everyone.

I also hope you were not trying to compare Tebow's passing ability to Kerry Collins'--who as a young guy was one of the better pure passers in the league. This was stated by pretty much everyone. Guys like Bill Walsh, Jimmy Johnson, Gruden and others say that guy was poetry in motion passing the football. He's one of only 15 QBs in all of NFL history to throw for over 35,000 yards. Maybe you have him mixed up with someone else?

 

[Hostile]

Good guy. I will be shocked if he turns out to be a good NFL QB.

 

[joseephuss]

I like Tebow's character and I'm pulling for him as a player. I really hope he does not go somewhere where the pressure will be to start him in the next 2 years. Jon Gruden seems to think he can pull it off if given time...and he knows QBs pretty well.

I have no idea how Tebow will do. I assume he'll be able to play (or ride the bench) in the league for a many years, but just how good he'll be is a mystery to everyone.

I also hope you were not trying to compare Tebow's passing ability to Kerry Collins'--who as a young guy was one of the better pure passers in the league. This was stated by pretty much everyone. Guys like Bill Walsh, Jimmy Johnson, Gruden and others say that guy was poetry in motion passing the football. He's one of only 15 QBs in all of NFL history to throw for over 35,000 yards. Maybe you have him mixed up with someone else?

I don't understand how Collins was considered a good pure passer. He always had a hitch in his throwing motion. It was Vince Youngesque while at Penn St. and he managed to improve it in the pros. I don't Collins has ever been a good NFL QB even though he has amassed some high career totals. That happens when you play for 15 season. Look at his numbers compared to the league average during his playing time. Definitely an average to below average QB in the years from 1995 to 2009.

Completion percentage
55.7% Collins
58.9% league average
Only completed over 60% twice in his career with a high of 61.5%.

TD percentage
3.3% Collins
4.0% league average

INT percentage
3.2% Collins
3.2% league average

Passer rating
73.5% Collins
77.9% league average

 

[zrinkill]

I think if Tebow goes to a team that will let him play his game he will be a great player.

If they try to change him, he will be ruined.

He is a great Football player.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I think if Tebow goes to a team that will let him play his game he will be a great player.

If they try to change him, he will be ruined.

He is a great Football player.

Regardless of how he turns out in the Pros, he was a true pleasure to watch in College. Man, I feel really dirty saying that because I really don't like the Florida Gators.

 

[DFWJC]

Here's some trivia

"He finished his Gator career by completing 708 of 1,170 passes for 10,875 yards with 114 touchdown passes, the best in SEC history and second-most in major college history. His career pass efficiency rating of 163.56 was the best in major college history and his percentage of passes which went for a touchdown (9.74) ranked first in collegiate history. In his best year, his efficiency rating of 178.4 set a single-season collegiate record. During his Heisman-winning season, he completed 207 of 360 passes for 3,625 yards (an SEC record) for 39 touchdowns (leading the nation) and his efficiency rating of 170.6 made him the first quarterback to ever post a rating of 170 or better in back-to-back years."

He led his team to a National Title and was named the top QB is the nation, not once, but twice.


Who am I?

DANNY WUERFFEL, University of Florida

 

[DFWJC]

I don't understand how Collins was considered a good pure passer. He always had a hitch in his throwing motion. It was Vince Youngesque while at Penn St. and he managed to improve it in the pros. I don't Collins has ever been a good NFL QB even though he has amassed some high career totals. That happens when you play for 15 season. Look at his numbers compared to the league average during his playing time. Definitely an average to below average QB in the years from 1995 to 2009.

Completion percentage
55.7% Collins
58.9% league average
Only completed over 60% twice in his career with a high of 61.5%.

TD percentage
3.3% Collins
4.0% league average

INT percentage
3.2% Collins
3.2% league average

Passer rating
73.5% Collins
77.9% league average

I consider his career to be somewhat wasted. He battled the alcohol issues early and then drifted a lot. He also had such a good arm that he tried to force the ball a lot and ended up with some really dumb throws and picks.

I was mainly referring to his pure passer abilities. He was way past his prime, but everytime he played the last few years, the announcers would marvel at what a pure passer he was and how even at his age he threw a beautiful, effortless ball. But I agree, his career stats (except for total yards) where underwhelming on average and his talent was wasted somewhat. He had along career but it could have been much better if hadn't blown his prime years.

 

[dbair1967]

I don't over analyze Tebow. I only had to watch him a couple of times to know he would not be a good NFL QB.

co-signed

 

[dbair1967]

He is a great College Football spread offense player.

fixed for you

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Here's some trivia

"He finished his Gator career by completing 708 of 1,170 passes for 10,875 yards with 114 touchdown passes, the best in SEC history and second-most in major college history. His career pass efficiency rating of 163.56 was the best in major college history and his percentage of passes which went for a touchdown (9.74) ranked first in collegiate history. In his best year, his efficiency rating of 178.4 set a single-season collegiate record. During his Heisman-winning season, he completed 207 of 360 passes for 3,625 yards (an SEC record) for 39 touchdowns (leading the nation) and his efficiency rating of 170.6 made him the first quarterback to ever post a rating of 170 or better in back-to-back years."

He led his team to a National Title and was named the top QB is the nation, not once, but twice.


Who am I?

DANNY WUERFFEL, University of Florida

Here is another UF Alumni stat. Kerwin Bell is on top of the career passer rating list (no minimum attempts) with a perfect 158.3, going 5 for 5 with one touchdown.

UF had several good to great college QBs, but none of them ever panned out in the Pros.

 

[zrinkill]

fixed for you

No you did not.

Tim Tebow is a great football player.

 

[dbair1967]

No you did not.

Tim Tebow is a great football player.

great college player...will be mediocre to no factor in the pros

anybody expecting otherwise is gonna be sorely disappointed

 

[Big Dakota]

He is what he is, a terrible pro prospect.

 

[zrinkill]

great college player...will be mediocre to no factor in the pros

anybody expecting otherwise is gonna be sorely disappointed

He is what he is, a terrible pro prospect.

I have no dog in this fight (to use a Mike Vick quote) was never a fan of him and I hate the Gators.

But I saw the kid play.

We will see.

 

[lkelly]

Collins never once took a snap from the shotgun in college. You could probably count the number of designed runs he had on one hand (hint: they probably all came on 3rd or 4th and 1 and were right over the center). He played in an offense that never lined up in 4 WR sets and certainly never went to an empty backfield. His college offense couldn't have been much more different than Tebow's.

They have both had questions about throwing motions. I think that's where the similarities end.

Tebow's a scrappy guy who will try hard, but he has an uphill climb to be an NFL QB. I'd be overjoyed if Shanahan took him as the Commanders QB of the near future.

 

[DFWJC]

I'd be overjoyed if Shanahan took him as the Commanders QB of the near future.

.......

 

[Vintage]

I have no dog in this fight (to use a Mike Vick quote) was never a fan of him and I hate the Gators.

But I saw the kid play.

We will see.

Yeah, but did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The spread offense is hurting the NFL in no small way if you ask me.