The proactive cap move a great FO would make

[blueblood70]

As the Cowboys front office drags the Micah Parsons contract negotiations on in their usual wasteful manner, I am reminded of what a great FO would be doing now.

Not only would they already have signed Parsons to free up more cap space to sign other impactful players; they should also start negotiations to extend a new contract for the next best player on this roster: TYLER SMITH.

Why sign Smith now? He has another year on his rookie deal. Here are the reasons:

• By extending him now, they can lock up TS at 2025 prices, saving future money and cap space. What Smith is worth now will be way cheaper than next year.
• Smith is 23. Locking him up now ensures he’s here for the duration of his best years.
• Smith and his agent (like most NFL players and agents) usually like early contract extensions because it protects and guarantees the player a good payday before a potential injury could end a career.
• Finally - if the Cowboys wait again, it will not only cost more, but further hamstring their cap flexibility in the future.

Tyler Smith is the second most talented player on this team. Get him extended now. It makes sense. Which is why it probably won’t happen here.

This is still hilarious .I guess if you guys owned a business you would just hand your checkbook blank nothing on it a contract unsigned for the agent and employee to just put whatever numbers they want in there???!!!

you're saying that you know the front office is at fault, even though the agent and apparently the player are holding this up?​

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Jerry doesn't want to pay more, he's not waiting to pay more, this problem is 3 parts there are three responsible parties that are all holding this up and yet the headlines say that front office is dragging it out...​

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I Realize they can be easy targets and deserve some of the criticism they get but when it comes to contract negotiations none of you have a clue on one had to deal with that type of contract and two what's going on behind the scenes you can only make an assumption and I'm sorry they would have loved to pay less for a lot of these players but those players agents weren't having it the players are just gonna sit back a lot of their agent to get as much money as possible but whatever language that benefits the player only and there's not a lot of compromise up front...​

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that's seriously Being out of touch with realitym, it's funny that Osa's got done really fast, his was actually good for both sides,​

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it's funny how that works, right?? the irony is all the contracts that you don't list that they got done in a timely manner or got ahead of and they did the contracts with no problems but some of these players who are looking to be the highest paid player that's not a quarterback in the NFL, HOLD thing's up because they're asking for too much, they're not negotiating with compromise, and you all keep blaming the front office and I want to see the proof where's the proof how about you say contract negotiations are going slow? without trying to put the blame on the front office for once? I know you don't like the front office but until you get your own $10 billion team you might want to step out of your shoes and step in theirs because you're not behind scenes knowing the actual facts of why these contracts take too long.​

it's no different than then last year, there were literally other wide receivers like Brandon aiuke and Jefferson that were holding up negotiations threatening holdouts that's just to name a few and also jamar chase T Higgins was on his first franchise tag and then they go around and put him on another franchise tag and this year up until recently both of them still were unsigned.. It's a well known fact that lamb and his agents were purposely waiting for some of them names to sign because they wanted more they wanted to be last but jamar chase had the last laugh because he was last and he got more money it wasn't much more but now they have two very very highly paid wide receivers over there in cincy and a highly paid quarterback but it's only proof that this stuff doesn't always get done quick...

it takes awhile sometimes, but blaming the front office because you hate them it's just not going to work for me,

because I see it from all sides this is being held up by all three parties. And the story there is no proof this is on the front office but you can keep putting it out there...

but again, when you get your $10 billion team you can do contracts how you feel ,and then we can actually criticize you unknowingly and unwittingly because they can't even defend themselves here.

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[blueblood70]

The proactive cap move a great FO would make​

Let me stop you right there Bob. They would need to know the meaning of the words proactive and great first,

you mean a proactive move you have no idea they may be doing behind the scenes but it's being rejected and since these negotiations are done with agents who are lawyers a lot of it is kept quiet you know what that is right when lawyers are involved and they don't want any details out that's right, its Privileged info.. This is all confidential unless they all agree for it not to be... You only get to hear what they allow you to hear... But when media spread these rumors because they think they know things so they got bread crumbs that doesn't make it true.. That might even be called hearsay might as well be a rumor because none of it's true unless the three parties come out themselves directly and let us know...

That's the irony here, you all think you should be kept in the loop about everything but you guys don't even have a $10 billion team with 1200 employees there's a lot that goes on with negotiations when someone's not willing to compromise there won't be any details because they rejected it straight away.

I think it's hilarious, that you all blame this all in the front office and you don't know that they haven't went to these players with the initial deal and they rejected it because they're not going to take less why not wait why not wait and get more money????

that's what the agents in there you're telling them I'm not saying that's the truth ,but it isnt any less true than you trying to blame the front office for not doing this, because I'm sure they tried you think they want to pay people on purpose a lot more and you'd be very wrong that's not how they run a business..​

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that's how I'm not to become billionaires, there's a rule ,you pay as little as you can for things, that way you could keep stacking your money,​

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therefore I guarantee they've tried to come to some of these players ahead of time and they've been rejected but again since you're not included you all are entitled to know every little thing that goes on with the Dallas Cowboys that it must not be happening, because they forgot to text you? ​

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I mean they forgot to allow you to know everything...lmao​

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yes note the deep sarcasm because it gets old around here everything's in front office fault it has nothing to do with the agents and players want to be greedy and they want more money and they're purposely drag this out so the market keeps going up and up sounds odd, but I have to say I'm betting it has more to do with the players and agents, than the front office..​

 

[JonesBoys]

As the Cowboys front office drags the Micah Parsons contract negotiations on in their usual wasteful manner, I am reminded of what a great FO would be doing now.

Not only would they already have signed Parsons to free up more cap space to sign other impactful players; they should also start negotiations to extend a new contract for the next best player on this roster: TYLER SMITH.

Why sign Smith now? He has another year on his rookie deal. Here are the reasons:

• By extending him now, they can lock up TS at 2025 prices, saving future money and cap space. What Smith is worth now will be way cheaper than next year.
• Smith is 23. Locking him up now ensures he’s here for the duration of his best years.
• Smith and his agent (like most NFL players and agents) usually like early contract extensions because it protects and guarantees the player a good payday before a potential injury could end a career.
• Finally - if the Cowboys wait again, it will not only cost more, but further hamstring their cap flexibility in the future.

Tyler Smith is the second most talented player on this team. Get him extended now. It makes sense. Which is why it probably won’t happen here.

Stephen Jones takes zero credence of common sense.

 

[fivetwos]

Again….doesn’t matter because the savings would not be re-invested on the field….not to a noticeable degree.

It would simply allow them to give a few more bucks to their own and maybe retain a middling player like Biadasz.

Reminder Coogy…you already used that one as a thread

 

[Bobhaze]

you mean a proactive move you have no idea they may be doing behind the scenes but it's being rejected and since these negotiations are done with agents who are lawyers a lot of it is kept quiet you know what that is right when lawyers are involved and they don't want any details out that's right, its Privileged info.. This is all confidential unless they all agree for it not to be... You only get to hear what they allow you to hear... But when media spread these rumors because they think they know things so they got bread crumbs that doesn't make it true.. That might even be called hearsay might as well be a rumor because none of it's true unless the three parties come out themselves directly and let us know...

That's the irony here, you all think you should be kept in the loop about everything but you guys don't even have a $10 billion team with 1200 employees there's a lot that goes on with negotiations when someone's not willing to compromise there won't be any details because they rejected it straight away.

I think it's hilarious, that you all blame this all in the front office and you don't know that they haven't went to these players with the initial deal and they rejected it because they're not going to take less why not wait why not wait and get more money????

that's what the agents in there you're telling them I'm not saying that's the truth ,but it isnt any less true than you trying to blame the front office for not doing this, because I'm sure they tried you think they want to pay people on purpose a lot more and you'd be very wrong that's not how they run a business..​

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that's how I'm not to become billionaires, there's a rule ,you pay as little as you can for things, that way you could keep stacking your money,​

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therefore I guarantee they've tried to come to some of these players ahead of time and they've been rejected but again since you're not included you all are entitled to know every little thing that goes on with the Dallas Cowboys that it must not be happening, because they forgot to text you? ​

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I mean they forgot to allow you to know everything...lmao​

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yes note the deep sarcasm because it gets old around here everything's in front office fault it has nothing to do with the agents and players want to be greedy and they want more money and they're purposely drag this out so the market keeps going up and up sounds odd, but I have to say I'm betting it has more to do with the players and agents, than the front office..​

So Blue…I have no problem with your opinions here. Just not sure I understand them.

Let me ask a few questions for clarity:

• Who is responsible for the cap and its management? The players and their agents or the GM and the FO? Of course an agent and player can hold things up, but it’s the FO who is ultimately responsible for the cap…not the players. And the FO has to get it started. Agents and players can request it but it’s the team that is ultimately responsible to either get deals done or decide it won’t work. My problem is the waiting they do.
• Do you have specific evidence that the Jones FO has been aggressively proactive in recent contract negotiations? I’ve certainly seen multiple stories that Jerry dragged his feet on the Lamb and Prescott deals last year. That is undeniable.

One of my major points in this thread is the front office is primarily responsible in being proactive about getting deals done. This FO has not been proactive.

I don’t see how that is even arguable. Do you?

 

[Flamma]

By extending him now, they can lock up TS at 2025 prices, saving future money and cap space. What Smith is worth now will be way cheaper than next year.

This is the most important bullet point. Any first round pick you are likely to keep, you extend them after their 3rd year. The only exceptions are if you have doubts, or the player doesn't want to sign that soon. Otherwise you hurt the team by waiting.

That said, the Cowboys standard operating procedure is to never sign their first round picks after their 3rd year. The last I remember is Zeke, and he forced the issue. But as a result, Zeke only had 1 bad cap hit in 7 years.

 

[Risen Star]

Stephen puts zero credence into your thread, Bob.

 

[KingCorcoran]

you mean a proactive move you have no idea they may be doing behind the scenes but it's being rejected and since these negotiations are done with agents who are lawyers a lot of it is kept quiet you know what that is right when lawyers are involved and they don't want any details out that's right, its Privileged info.. This is all confidential unless they all agree for it not to be... You only get to hear what they allow you to hear... But when media spread these rumors because they think they know things so they got bread crumbs that doesn't make it true.. That might even be called hearsay might as well be a rumor because none of it's true unless the three parties come out themselves directly and let us know...

That's the irony here, you all think you should be kept in the loop about everything but you guys don't even have a $10 billion team with 1200 employees there's a lot that goes on with negotiations when someone's not willing to compromise there won't be any details because they rejected it straight away.

I think it's hilarious, that you all blame this all in the front office and you don't know that they haven't went to these players with the initial deal and they rejected it because they're not going to take less why not wait why not wait and get more money????

that's what the agents in there you're telling them I'm not saying that's the truth ,but it isnt any less true than you trying to blame the front office for not doing this, because I'm sure they tried you think they want to pay people on purpose a lot more and you'd be very wrong that's not how they run a business..​

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that's how I'm not to become billionaires, there's a rule ,you pay as little as you can for things, that way you could keep stacking your money,​

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therefore I guarantee they've tried to come to some of these players ahead of time and they've been rejected but again since you're not included you all are entitled to know every little thing that goes on with the Dallas Cowboys that it must not be happening, because they forgot to text you? ​

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I mean they forgot to allow you to know everything...lmao​

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yes note the deep sarcasm because it gets old around here everything's in front office fault it has nothing to do with the agents and players want to be greedy and they want more money and they're purposely drag this out so the market keeps going up and up sounds odd, but I have to say I'm betting it has more to do with the players and agents, than the front office..​

Every team in the NFL has to deal with greedy players wanting more money and their agents. The angst around here is how comparatively poorly the Cowboys’ front office deals with it.

Having to watch Washington go from outhouse to penthouse the first year with new owners indicates to Cowboys fans it should not take 30 years. Except you, of course. You think it’s everyone’s fault except the Cowboys front office.

 

[ArtClink]

Yup.....all we have to do is see how the successful FOs are running their organizations.

There's no rocket science or brain surgery going on here and in fact the blueprint is being written by GMs like Howie Roseman and Les Sneed every year.......we merely have a stubborn inept FO doing things their way

+1

 

[ArtClink]

This is still hilarious .I guess if you guys owned a business you would just hand your checkbook blank nothing on it a contract unsigned for the agent and employee to just put whatever numbers they want in there???!!!

you're saying that you know the front office is at fault, even though the agent and apparently the player are holding this up?​

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Jerry doesn't want to pay more, he's not waiting to pay more, this problem is 3 parts there are three responsible parties that are all holding this up and yet the headlines say that front office is dragging it out...​

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I Realize they can be easy targets and deserve some of the criticism they get but when it comes to contract negotiations none of you have a clue on one had to deal with that type of contract and two what's going on behind the scenes you can only make an assumption and I'm sorry they would have loved to pay less for a lot of these players but those players agents weren't having it the players are just gonna sit back a lot of their agent to get as much money as possible but whatever language that benefits the player only and there's not a lot of compromise up front...​

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that's seriously Being out of touch with realitym, it's funny that Osa's got done really fast, his was actually good for both sides,​

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it's funny how that works, right?? the irony is all the contracts that you don't list that they got done in a timely manner or got ahead of and they did the contracts with no problems but some of these players who are looking to be the highest paid player that's not a quarterback in the NFL, HOLD thing's up because they're asking for too much, they're not negotiating with compromise, and you all keep blaming the front office and I want to see the proof where's the proof how about you say contract negotiations are going slow? without trying to put the blame on the front office for once? I know you don't like the front office but until you get your own $10 billion team you might want to step out of your shoes and step in theirs because you're not behind scenes knowing the actual facts of why these contracts take too long.​

it's no different than then last year, there were literally other wide receivers like Brandon aiuke and Jefferson that were holding up negotiations threatening holdouts that's just to name a few and also jamar chase T Higgins was on his first franchise tag and then they go around and put him on another franchise tag and this year up until recently both of them still were unsigned.. It's a well known fact that lamb and his agents were purposely waiting for some of them names to sign because they wanted more they wanted to be last but jamar chase had the last laugh because he was last and he got more money it wasn't much more but now they have two very very highly paid wide receivers over there in cincy and a highly paid quarterback but it's only proof that this stuff doesn't always get done quick...

it takes awhile sometimes, but blaming the front office because you hate them it's just not going to work for me,

because I see it from all sides this is being held up by all three parties. And the story there is no proof this is on the front office but you can keep putting it out there...

but again, when you get your $10 billion team you can do contracts how you feel ,and then we can actually criticize you unknowingly and unwittingly because they can't even defend themselves here.

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You are one of the few fans left that is gleeful in trying to justify one of the worst front offices of the past three decades. Are you on Jerry’s payroll because there are so few Jones defenders left.

 

[blueblood70]

So Blue…I have no problem with your opinions here. Just not sure I understand them.

Let me ask a few questions for clarity:

• Who is responsible for the cap and its management? The players and their agents or the GM and the FO? Of course an agent and player can hold things up, but it’s the FO who is ultimately responsible for the cap…not the players. And the FO has to get it started. Agents and players can request it but it’s the team that is ultimately responsible to either get deals done or decide it won’t work. My problem is the waiting they do.
• Do you have specific evidence that the Jones FO has been aggressively proactive in recent contract negotiations? I’ve certainly seen multiple stories that Jerry dragged his feet on the Lamb and Prescott deals last year. That is undeniable.

One of my major points in this thread is the front office is primarily responsible in being proactive about getting deals done. This FO has not been proactive.

I don’t see how that is even arguable. Do you?

Yeah, it's debatable ,

because you don't know anything that's going on behind the scenes.... You're trying to claim they're being reactive and not proactive and yet you have no idea..

they are responsible? for what? the agents and players rejection of fair offers to get the max, you can't force them to sign better deals quicker. lmao

ironic, you think that possible. literally you have to negotiate. If they dont compromise, you can't just cave, you have to fight for what's better for the team and that what the FO is responsible for to make it all fit in the cap.

In your world you think the front office is just you're the first rejection just hand them everything they want to get it done on YOUR(fans) timetable, huh? that not good business, that not what happens.

You think of this more hypothetically,

if you had a lawyer and you had a criminal case that you are trying to get deal done to keep you out of jail of get the best offer for probation for no jail, but the da and the lawyers cant agree it sometimes takes years to get them to finally find middle ground. So, what if you were that person facing jail time, that you take the first offer?! thats not right instead you fight (negotiate)until you have no time left and finally at the prescribes, you come to a fair agreement. if its possible.

That typically happens quite often and these are lawyers, these guys are agents and I know this is not a criminal thing, but nobody's going to budget first if the gap is too wide and I have to make assumptions just like you but my assumptions is the player and the agent given this day and age of they want to be the highest paid non quarterback contract in the league is where this all went South.

the player's not asking for that, the deals are getting done quickly. Those that are being more greedy and stubborn is what the holdup is and that's coming from the players and agents where else could it come from? I guarantee Jerry's not lowballing these people to death but he's obviously going to start lower because it is his fiscal responsibility to the team and to the cap and until the player and agent step off that big number and it willing to compromise it will take longer..

Trayvon diggs got top 4 at his position and that what most USED to ask for, OSA and handfuls of other got done without any of this because they didn't ask to be the highest paid skilled player in the league that's not a quarterback, when that narrative started lots of contracts on the NFL have been held up...

I'm not sitting here fighting for the front office I don't like Jerry Jones or the front office but I don't have to but I can have common sense and common sense says I've seen Jerry get these deals quick and fairly done not lowballing his own players he usually overpays his own players but when a player sits at the top with his agent and demands 42,000,000 when he's only worth 38, then there's going to be time to get that gap smaller..​

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That's just the art of compromise, that's how negotiations work and when the side that I know wants the most is the player and agent you know that's who's holding this up the most because we don't know the details but I can tell you at 42,000,000 is a number when it should be 39 then there's going to be some compromise and eventually like lamb he got 39.5..​

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he could have probably got 41 or 42 there finally was compromised I guarantee that if Jerry would have came with that 39.25 from the beginning, they would not have signed it they were hoping for 42 or slightly more than Jefferson they were also waiting for chase they were waiting for the other receivers they did this on purpose...​

I get it sometimes yes the front office is to blame for a lot of things but when it comes to this you already said it their responsibility is to the salary cap and to the team and you got to try to get the best deal possible if you offered that best deal it's not always going to be reported to the media and us if it wasn't worth reporting because the number started too big on one side and too low on the other then it takes time to get to the middle you can't just give these guys blank checks you can't cave to everything yes it looks bad when you eventually take all this time and cave but you had to try that is your responsibility as an owner of any corporation is trying to get the best deals you possibly can...

 

[Pass2Run]

As the Cowboys front office drags the Micah Parsons contract negotiations on in their usual wasteful manner, I am reminded of what a great FO would be doing now.

Not only would they already have signed Parsons to free up more cap space to sign other impactful players; they should also start negotiations to extend a new contract for the next best player on this roster: TYLER SMITH.

Why sign Smith now? He has another year on his rookie deal. Here are the reasons:

• By extending him now, they can lock up TS at 2025 prices, saving future money and cap space. What Smith is worth now will be way cheaper than next year.
• Smith is 23. Locking him up now ensures he’s here for the duration of his best years.
• Smith and his agent (like most NFL players and agents) usually like early contract extensions because it protects and guarantees the player a good payday before a potential injury could end a career.
• Finally - if the Cowboys wait again, it will not only cost more, but further hamstring their cap flexibility in the future.

Tyler Smith is the second most talented player on this team. Get him extended now. It makes sense. Which is why it probably won’t happen here.

Yeah, and if Guyton still struggles at LT, a smart coaching staff would move Smith back to LT and Guyton to RT. We have the personnel to have a really good line if they knew what they were doing. Never understood leaving Guyton at LT last year, as much as I think TSmith is a great LG.

 

[Pass2Run]

Yeah, it's debatable ,

because you don't know anything that's going on behind the scenes.... You're trying to claim they're being reactive and not proactive and yet you have no idea..

they are responsible? for what? the agents and players rejection of fair offers to get the max, you can't force them to sign better deals quicker. lmao

ironic, you think that possible. literally you have to negotiate. If they dont compromise, you can't just cave, you have to fight for what's better for the team and that what the FO is responsible for to make it all fit in the cap.

In your world you think the front office is just you're the first rejection just hand them everything they want to get it done on YOUR(fans) timetable, huh? that not good business, that not what happens.

You think of this more hypothetically,

if you had a lawyer and you had a criminal case that you are trying to get deal done to keep you out of jail of get the best offer for probation for no jail, but the da and the lawyers cant agree it sometimes takes years to get them to finally find middle ground. So, what if you were that person facing jail time, that you take the first offer?! thats not right instead you fight (negotiate)until you have no time left and finally at the prescribes, you come to a fair agreement. if its possible.

That typically happens quite often and these are lawyers, these guys are agents and I know this is not a criminal thing, but nobody's going to budget first if the gap is too wide and I have to make assumptions just like you but my assumptions is the player and the agent given this day and age of they want to be the highest paid non quarterback contract in the league is where this all went South.

the player's not asking for that, the deals are getting done quickly. Those that are being more greedy and stubborn is what the holdup is and that's coming from the players and agents where else could it come from? I guarantee Jerry's not lowballing these people to death but he's obviously going to start lower because it is his fiscal responsibility to the team and to the cap and until the player and agent step off that big number and it willing to compromise it will take longer..

Trayvon diggs got top 4 at his position and that what most USED to ask for, OSA and handfuls of other got done without any of this because they didn't ask to be the highest paid skilled player in the league that's not a quarterback, when that narrative started lots of contracts on the NFL have been held up...

I'm not sitting here fighting for the front office I don't like Jerry Jones or the front office but I don't have to but I can have common sense and common sense says I've seen Jerry get these deals quick and fairly done not lowballing his own players he usually overpays his own players but when a player sits at the top with his agent and demands 42,000,000 when he's only worth 38, then there's going to be time to get that gap smaller..​

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That's just the art of compromise, that's how negotiations work and when the side that I know wants the most is the player and agent you know that's who's holding this up the most because we don't know the details but I can tell you at 42,000,000 is a number when it should be 39 then there's going to be some compromise and eventually like lamb he got 39.5..​

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he could have probably got 41 or 42 there finally was compromised I guarantee that if Jerry would have came with that 39.25 from the beginning, they would not have signed it they were hoping for 42 or slightly more than Jefferson they were also waiting for chase they were waiting for the other receivers they did this on purpose...​

I get it sometimes yes the front office is to blame for a lot of things but when it comes to this you already said it their responsibility is to the salary cap and to the team and you got to try to get the best deal possible if you offered that best deal it's not always going to be reported to the media and us if it wasn't worth reporting because the number started too big on one side and too low on the other then it takes time to get to the middle you can't just give these guys blank checks you can't cave to everything yes it looks bad when you eventually take all this time and cave but you had to try that is your responsibility as an owner of any corporation is trying to get the best deals you possibly can...

Good points. Don't expect most to take the time to consider this though.

 

[blueblood70]

Yeah, and if Guyton still struggles at LT, a smart coaching staff would move Smith back to LT and Guyton to RT. We have the personnel to have a really good line if they knew what they were doing. Never understood leaving Guyton at LT last year, as much as I think TSmith is a great LG.

I think you had to keep putting him at left tackle but they didn't leave him out there bty design all year,

I think the injuries, the shock him not playing well, got in his head and was more mental, and we didn't have the right coaching on the OL to fix him on the go, or to make any big changes but they did use Richards and Chuma they both got hurt, we had three injuries at the same position and with steele struggling on the other side a little bit you couldn't just start moving pieces around....

If the season was say on the line and we were in the middle of the season and needed to finish strong and you had to make a move like that yes I agree you slide Smith back to left tackle and you could have let bass play left guard but you are still weakening a position especially dead in the center we're now both your guards are bass and Hoffman and your rookie right in the middle at center it was just a bad year man but I agree that move could be made but with a better coaching staff maybe they can coach this guy up and we'll get it figured out but I believe if we were in the middle of some fight for the division and had real playoff hope they would have made that move but that is one of the main reasons we wanted a coaching change and now we have it.... I mean just think about it it's not just about making one move think about all the injuries we had and the rookies along the offensive line and now you're playing backups they played better towards the end of the year but it's not like they didn't try to make the change but all three guys who can play left tackle were all injured at one point in time... And again if you move your best player out to left tackle just to get a better play at left tackle now you weaken the whole middle they're gonna come across the weak spot when you're talking about a defensive line and a defensive staff they're gonna see where the weak spot is so now you straighten the left tackle they're just gonna come between the center and the left or right dart they will find the hole and they will expose it it just got away from them last year with injuries and what not having a couple rookies and while I agree that would be the smart move in the middle of a race for something but we didn't really have that you couldn't bail on the rookie early in the season without giving him a chance to get right he just never got right he got injured he was getting a lot of penalties again they tried two other guys they kept getting injured and they were rotating those three guys out there and that's just how it went..

 

[Bobhaze]

Yeah, it's debatable ,

because you don't know anything that's going on behind the scenes.... You're trying to claim they're being reactive and not proactive and yet you have no idea..

they are responsible? for what? the agents and players rejection of fair offers to get the max, you can't force them to sign better deals quicker. lmao

ironic, you think that possible. literally you have to negotiate. If they dont compromise, you can't just cave, you have to fight for what's better for the team and that what the FO is responsible for to make it all fit in the cap.

In your world you think the front office is just you're the first rejection just hand them everything they want to get it done on YOUR(fans) timetable, huh? that not good business, that not what happens.

You think of this more hypothetically,

if you had a lawyer and you had a criminal case that you are trying to get deal done to keep you out of jail of get the best offer for probation for no jail, but the da and the lawyers cant agree it sometimes takes years to get them to finally find middle ground. So, what if you were that person facing jail time, that you take the first offer?! thats not right instead you fight (negotiate)until you have no time left and finally at the prescribes, you come to a fair agreement. if its possible.

That typically happens quite often and these are lawyers, these guys are agents and I know this is not a criminal thing, but nobody's going to budget first if the gap is too wide and I have to make assumptions just like you but my assumptions is the player and the agent given this day and age of they want to be the highest paid non quarterback contract in the league is where this all went South.

the player's not asking for that, the deals are getting done quickly. Those that are being more greedy and stubborn is what the holdup is and that's coming from the players and agents where else could it come from? I guarantee Jerry's not lowballing these people to death but he's obviously going to start lower because it is his fiscal responsibility to the team and to the cap and until the player and agent step off that big number and it willing to compromise it will take longer..

Trayvon diggs got top 4 at his position and that what most USED to ask for, OSA and handfuls of other got done without any of this because they didn't ask to be the highest paid skilled player in the league that's not a quarterback, when that narrative started lots of contracts on the NFL have been held up...

I'm not sitting here fighting for the front office I don't like Jerry Jones or the front office but I don't have to but I can have common sense and common sense says I've seen Jerry get these deals quick and fairly done not lowballing his own players he usually overpays his own players but when a player sits at the top with his agent and demands 42,000,000 when he's only worth 38, then there's going to be time to get that gap smaller..​

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That's just the art of compromise, that's how negotiations work and when the side that I know wants the most is the player and agent you know that's who's holding this up the most because we don't know the details but I can tell you at 42,000,000 is a number when it should be 39 then there's going to be some compromise and eventually like lamb he got 39.5..​

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he could have probably got 41 or 42 there finally was compromised I guarantee that if Jerry would have came with that 39.25 from the beginning, they would not have signed it they were hoping for 42 or slightly more than Jefferson they were also waiting for chase they were waiting for the other receivers they did this on purpose...​

I get it sometimes yes the front office is to blame for a lot of things but when it comes to this you already said it their responsibility is to the salary cap and to the team and you got to try to get the best deal possible if you offered that best deal it's not always going to be reported to the media and us if it wasn't worth reporting because the number started too big on one side and too low on the other then it takes time to get to the middle you can't just give these guys blank checks you can't cave to everything yes it looks bad when you eventually take all this time and cave but you had to try that is your responsibility as an owner of any corporation is trying to get the best deals you possibly can...

Well I’ve never accused Jerry of low balling. Just dragging his feet while the rest of the league gets deals done. None of us knows what either side is actually doing. But we do know the results and how long it takes. There’s no secret what it will take to sign Micah Parsons.

Hey Jerry pays. In fact at times he’s over-paid. The bigger problem isn’t Jerry low balling, it’s getting him to follow a clear plan to improve the roster in a timely and proactive manner. The off-season is all about knowing what you want to do and then getting it done.

Jerry has infamously said “Deadlines make deals.” That is usually true in business deals. In the NFL signing contracts business, waiting to get a perfect deal done is losing.

The only things I blame Jerry for are the things he’s responsible for and the results he gets each year. One of the biggest responsibilities of a GM and owner is to get a good team product on the field within the salary cap rules. That is NOT the responsibility of players or agents.

Any objective sports person would have to say that last year Jerry and the FO produced one of the worst off-seasons in Cowboys history. I’m not interested in blaming JJ for things that aren’t his responsibility. But. ALL things related to cap management is his full responsibility.

 

[blueblood70]

You are one of the few fans left that is gleeful in trying to justify one of the worst front offices of the past three decades. Are you on Jerry’s payroll because there are so few Jones defenders left.

Justify?!!

that's hilarious I'm not doing that I'm not even defending them..

I'm using common sense and giving my opinion how I feel it's really going when you blame the front office for everything, and you don't even know the ins and outs of what's happening at the star... If you can't see it with a clear thought pattern because you hate them so much then sure you're going to blame them for everything just because they've been at fault for a lot of other things, doesn't mean that these negotiations are being held up because of them.

Show me the show me show me that thing haven't offered these players earlier contracts and they were rejected...

I think you and @Bobhaze need to go back, because this is when it all started back in 2019, when everyone says you could've had Prescott on a $35 million deal for say six years, and we'd have been in the driver's seat,

show me the agent ,players, and /or someone in the front office or even the head coach that might have had knowledge of this show me where Prescott agent said if Jerry came to us with 35,000,000, we would have just signed it!!

show me ,

show me PROOF, how you think that this player especially Prescott his agent didn't know where this market was going for quarterbacks would have rejected that in a heartbeat.. he may have taken 39 million but he would have wanted a four year deal with three years fully guaranteed and they'd have been back at the table earlier than they were instead he got the 42,000,000.. In my opinion if we'd have got Prescott on a shorter contract for less money we'd have had to pay him more earlier and we'd have probably been right back in this situation all over again and it would have probably worked out almost the same the market it's the market it was heading that direction and the agents and players know it...

I want to see this proof that these players would accept cheaper contracts if you just got to him earlier don't say because that's where the market is, this is like Wall Street these agents know where the market's going and they're not going to let their players sign bad deals someone get out the compromise somewhere whether it's in the language like the years the guarantees and bonus money and all that stuff it's all part of the negotiations and I guarantee they don't have dumb agents that's not what the agents job is that's why 2/3 of this common sense says is the players ages because they're the ones who want the most and our owner has overpaid or at least paid the worth of every superstar that was eligible for a contract got his deal that's why I know they're willing to do it but they're not willing to give it up right at the beginning why should they pay the maximum amount of money.... Their job is to get the best deal so they can fit everyone under the salary cap as a corporation it's the same thing for your CFO you literally are supposed to find the best deals possible and you have to negotiate and sometimes negotiations when there's three people involved are gonna take some time..

 

[ArtClink]

Justify?!!

that's hilarious I'm not doing that I'm not even defending them..

I'm using common sense and giving my opinion how I feel it's really going when you blame the front office for everything, and you don't even know the ins and outs of what's happening at the star... If you can't see it with a clear thought pattern because you hate them so much then sure you're going to blame them for everything just because they've been at fault for a lot of other things, doesn't mean that these negotiations are being held up because of them.

Show me the show me show me that thing haven't offered these players earlier contracts and they were rejected...

I think you and @Bobhaze need to go back, because this is when it all started back in 2019, when everyone says you could've had Prescott on a $35 million deal for say six years, and we'd have been in the driver's seat,

show me the agent ,players, and /or someone in the front office or even the head coach that might have had knowledge of this show me where Prescott agent said if Jerry came to us with 35,000,000, we would have just signed it!!

show me ,

show me PROOF, how you think that this player especially Prescott his agent didn't know where this market was going for quarterbacks would have rejected that in a heartbeat.. he may have taken 39 million but he would have wanted a four year deal with three years fully guaranteed and they'd have been back at the table earlier than they were instead he got the 42,000,000.. In my opinion if we'd have got Prescott on a shorter contract for less money we'd have had to pay him more earlier and we'd have probably been right back in this situation all over again and it would have probably worked out almost the same the market it's the market it was heading that direction and the agents and players know it...

I want to see this proof that these players would accept cheaper contracts if you just got to him earlier don't say because that's where the market is, this is like Wall Street these agents know where the market's going and they're not going to let their players sign bad deals someone get out the compromise somewhere whether it's in the language like the years the guarantees and bonus money and all that stuff it's all part of the negotiations and I guarantee they don't have dumb agents that's not what the agents job is that's why 2/3 of this common sense says is the players ages because they're the ones who want the most and our owner has overpaid or at least paid the worth of every superstar that was eligible for a contract got his deal that's why I know they're willing to do it but they're not willing to give it up right at the beginning why should they pay the maximum amount of money.... Their job is to get the best deal so they can fit everyone under the salary cap as a corporation it's the same thing for your CFO you literally are supposed to find the best deals possible and you have to negotiate and sometimes negotiations when there's three people involved are gonna take some time..

Can you pls clarify your points in paragraph nine?

 

[FVSTONE]

As the Cowboys front office drags the Micah Parsons contract negotiations on in their usual wasteful manner, I am reminded of what a great FO would be doing now.

Not only would they already have signed Parsons to free up more cap space to sign other impactful players; they should also start negotiations to extend a new contract for the next best player on this roster: TYLER SMITH.

Why sign Smith now? He has another year on his rookie deal. Here are the reasons:

• By extending him now, they can lock up TS at 2025 prices, saving future money and cap space. What Smith is worth now will be way cheaper than next year.
• Smith is 23. Locking him up now ensures he’s here for the duration of his best years.
• Smith and his agent (like most NFL players and agents) usually like early contract extensions because it protects and guarantees the player a good payday before a potential injury could end a career.
• Finally - if the Cowboys wait again, it will not only cost more, but further hamstring their cap flexibility in the future.

Tyler Smith is the second most talented player on this team. Get him extended now. It makes sense. Which is why it probably won’t happen here.

Bobby, Bobby...................BOBBY! Have you forgotten who is large and in charge, Jerry runs on JERRY TIME. This man doesn't have one sensible thought in that old brain of his to think like a REAL GM that works for the better teams in the league. Jerry has turned the once mighty Dallas Cowboys into a team that looks, acts and plays more like one of the worse competitive teams in the NFL.