The problem with bloated contracts

[robjay04]

That is ancient history.......the problem was the cap stayed at 123m from 2009 to 123m in 2013, not restructures

The cap has gone up from 123m in 2013 to 166m+ in 2017

I never said it isn't ancient history.

The purpose of this thread was to complain about Witten's cap hit. His cap hit wouldn't be so bad right now if we didn't restructure his deal in the past.

His original contract was set to be 7 million with no dead money if he was cut this season.

 

[Nightman]

I never said it isn't ancient history.

The purpose of this thread was to complain about Witten's cap hit. His cap hit wouldn't be so bad right now if we didn't restructure his deal in the past.

His original contract was set to be 7 million with no dead money if he was cut this season.

So what? That means they saved 5m the last 2 years when the cap was 20m lower

Not taking advantage of a no-interest loan is stupid financial planning and every smart company carries some debt to maximize returns

 

[robjay04]

So what? That means they saved 5m the last 2 years when the cap was 20m lower

Not taking advantage of a no-interest loan is stupid financial planning and every smart company carries some debt to maximize returns

Okay? I am not the one complaining. I am simply explaining why his cap number is so high and you're telling me that I don't understand the cap.

And it's a big difference than a CEO taking a no interest loan. It's more like restructuring your car loan so you have a balloon payment at the end.

Sure it'll make your payments lower for the time being but you're likely paying way above value at the end of term and you're hoping that car is even still running. More times than not, you're going to end up trading in that car for a new one and eating the difference which is going to be the case with Romo.

 

[Stash]

The point is everyone is whining about his cap number but they use the future placeholder number and ignore the actual number of this year and the last 3 years.....be truthful

I'm not being deceptive at all. I merely used the $9 million dollar average for the 5-year, $45 million contract the team mistakenly signed him to. Along with the fact that he's a round peg in a square hole with no true position on this team.

People can say whatever they want about the Bryant, Witten, or whoever contracts, but t least those guys are starters. Crawford is in name only and is part-time at best. And even at that number, he's routinely injured.

His contract is far and away the worst in my opinion and second place isn't close.

 

[lukin2006]

No problem with Witten or Dez, Witten is going into the last year of his contract and Dez only has 3 years left...and now that Dez is a full year removed from that foot injury, I expect to see a better Dez next year. Romo's bloated contract should have been more the concern, even when he signed it, at his age, it showed this team had no plan for the QB position similar to Aikman's career winding down...I still don't think they have a clue what to do with Romo, sometimes I think Jones and Garrett become fans instead of owner and coach and this is a business and should do what's best for the team, not's what's best for Romo...

 

[AbeBeta]

Guys like Witten and Dez Bryant come to mind when I think of bloated contracts. Both are valuable players but are significantly underperforming their contracts. Doug Free is another in that same category.

Those 3 guys are likely all top 10 in terms of our cap hit which prevents us from going out and paying a top flight pass rusher, dominant DT or dominant linebacker on defense.

The salary cap makes you make choices. The sentimentality of this team is really handicapping us in terms of cap allocation. I would love to see all of the above (not Free) stay with the Cowboys as long as possible, but not at all costs.

Some tough decisions need to be made here. Hopefully Witten decides to take a pay cut and stay with the team, but if not the team should really look at moving on from players like him and Dez.

Dez's 2017 salary is guaranteed.

Moving on from him would be monumentally stupid. Yes, let's move on from a guy who we've got to pay either way.

 

[Nightman]

Crawford is in name only and is part-time at best

be truthful....he led the team in hurries and still had 4.5 sacks

 

[TNCowboy]

that is a hard undersell.......he is consistently the QB pressure and hurries guy....playing SDE and 3T only increases his value

He was 15th in the league with 23 hurries.....right with Mack, JPP and Wake

https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/defensive-hurries/2016/

That's not a reasonable way to consider it. Wake also had 12 sacks in addition to those pressures, and Mack 11. Not really a relevant comparison, although his ability to play DT adds to his value.

But as a whole, he's way overpaid. Even in today's NFL, for an avg $10 million per year, you have to get much more out of him.

 

[Nightman]

Dez's 2017 salary is guaranteed.

Moving on from him would be monumentally stupid. Yes, let's move on from a guy who we've got to pay either way.

Especially since he is our WR1 and is 28 years young and our WR2 and WR4 are FAs and WR5 is Lucky to have a job

 

[Nightman]

That's not a reasonable way to consider it. Wake also had 12 sacks in addition to those pressures, and Mack 11. Not really a relevant comparison, although his ability to play DT adds to his value.

But as a whole, he's way overpaid. Even in today's NFL, for an avg $10 million per year, you have to get much more out of him.

That is the only way to look at it..... he leads the team in pressures and now you have him up to 10m a year....that is just not accurate

 

[TNCowboy]

That is the only way to look at it..... he leads the team in pressures and now you have him up to 10m a year....that is just not accurate

That's absurd. You can't equate guys who get double digit sacks with a guy who got 4.

It's entirely accurate. His salary is $7-8 million per year, with $3 million/yr in bonus prorated. That's ~$10 million.

He's being paid like one of the league's better passrushers, when he clearly is not.

 

[Nightman]

That's absurd. You can't equate guys who get double digit sacks with a guy who got 4.

It's entirely accurate. His salary is $7-8 million per year, with $3 million/yr in bonus prorated. That's ~$10 million.

He's being paid like one of the league's better passrushers, when he clearly is not.

He is getting paid very appropriately as a 4-3 DT and 3-4 DE
Derek Wolfe, Cam Heyward, Kyle Willliams, Corey Liuget, Geno Adkins, Linval Joseph

 

[Stash]

be truthful....he led the team in hurries and still had 4.5 sacks

You "be truthful", he's an out of position, grossly overpaid, underperformer. The return on investment for his contract is a disgrace. There's the "truth" of it.

 

[Stash]

That's not a reasonable way to consider it. Wake also had 12 sacks in addition to those pressures, and Mack 11. Not really a relevant comparison, although his ability to play DT adds to his value.

But as a whole, he's way overpaid. Even in today's NFL, for an avg $10 million per year, you have to get much more out of him.

Some of us can admit the truth, others can't.

 

[Stash]

He is getting paid very appropriately as a 4-3 DT and 3-4 DE
Derek Wolfe, Cam Heyward, Kyle Willliams, Corey Liuget, Geno Adkins, Linval Joseph

He's not getting paid anything close to "appropriately" and you should give up this farce.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

The argument can certainly be made that Dez is a very expensive decoy that we cannot afford.
Dez largely played a good game Sunday but remains inconsistent, doesn't run the best routes and rarely gets separation and doesn't have good hands.

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