The problem with justifying a QB at 4

[PJTHEDOORS]

Thats not a championship group, not to mention the two best guys are unreliable. Myles Jack isnt unreliable based on one injury. He needs to be a Cowboy period. If Lee gets hurt again (likely) we are screwed.

Won't know anything until our secondary is vastly improved and we have a consistent pass rush from the DL. Myles isn't making us a championship squad until those improvements. And ya, Romo staying healthy.

 

[IrishAnto]

Thats not a championship group, not to mention the two best guys are unreliable. Myles Jack isnt unreliable based on one injury. He needs to be a Cowboy period. If Lee gets hurt again (likely) we are screwed.

If Romo get hurt again (likely) then your screwed * 10.

You can get a good LB in the 2nd/3rd.

 

[stilltheguru88]

If Romo get hurt again (likely) then your screwed * 10.

You can get a good LB in the 2nd/3rd.

Were screwed if he gets hurt and Wentz replaces him. So what? Atleast we know Romo def needs to be cut if he gets hurt again and we can a qb next year.

 

[Doomsday101]

drafting a QB at 4 with the intent of sitting him behind Romo for multiple years is incredibly unconventional for an NFL team. Even the Colts just decided to move on from Peyton Manning and go full rebuild when they drafted Luck. If you have a QB you intend on moving forward with for the next few seasons there is no logical reason to select a QB top 5 as an insurance policy. It simply does not happen, and for good reason, that's way too much of an investment for what you are hoping for is zero return the first few years.

The team is still in a win now mode with Romo as the QB, you draft a QB with a top 5 pick then it sends a message that as a FO you have no clear vision or plan for the time being. If you're not committed to your QB and exhausting your resources to help him win then just move on and let Tony try to win elsewhere. Otherwise you're just in a purgatory state waiting for him to retire while the next guy gets ready, and that simply isn't how the NFL works.

With the rookie cap in place it is not that hard to address the future. I would agree if these kids were getting paid big money as they were in the past that is no longer the case and makes it a lot more feasible to be able to get a QB and allow him a year or 2 before throwing him out there.

 

[IrishAnto]

Were screwed if he gets hurt and Wentz replaces him. So what? Atleast we know Romo def needs to be cut if he gets hurt again and we can a qb next year.

Tell me who's coming out next year who is as good or better than the top three this year?

And while you at it, tell me we'd be in position to draft them (without having to give up multiple picks)?

 

[jnday]

Were screwed if he gets hurt and Wentz replaces him. So what? Atleast we know Romo def needs to be cut if he gets hurt again and we can a qb next year.

If you wait until next year to draft a QB, it will cost much more. I don't expect this team will go 4-12 again, so next year will require trading away a bunch of high draft picks over a couple seasons.

 

[LatinMind]

drafting a QB at 4 with the intent of sitting him behind Romo for multiple years is incredibly unconventional for an NFL team. Even the Colts just decided to move on from Peyton Manning and go full rebuild when they drafted Luck. If you have a QB you intend on moving forward with for the next few seasons there is no logical reason to select a QB top 5 as an insurance policy. It simply does not happen, and for good reason, that's way too much of an investment for what you are hoping for is zero return the first few years.

The team is still in a win now mode with Romo as the QB, you draft a QB with a top 5 pick then it sends a message that as a FO you have no clear vision or plan for the time being. If you're not committed to your QB and exhausting your resources to help him win then just move on and let Tony try to win elsewhere. Otherwise you're just in a purgatory state waiting for him to retire while the next guy gets ready, and that simply isn't how the NFL works.

And you never know what u have in a college Qb until hes on the field. GB took a risk but that was 24th overall. This is 4th big difference

 

[LatinMind]

Tell me who's coming out next year who is as good or better than the top three this year?

And while you at it, tell me we'd be in position to draft them (without having to give up multiple picks)?

Look at last yr and none of these QBs were considered RD1 guys.

 

[IrishAnto]

Look at last yr and none of these QBs were considered RD1 guys.

But we're not picking last year.

We're picking this year, and this year there are three names in the running.

And btw. everyone now is acting like either of the top two QBs taken last year were sure things.

 

[LatinMind]

But we're not picking last year.

We're picking this year, and this year there are three names in the running.

And btw. everyone now is acting like either of the top two QBs taken last year were sure things.

Two top QBs last yr were top picks from the start of spring ball. They didnt make their climbs after the Bowls were played. they were legit top picks. When ur stock climbs after the games have finished, you know ur reaching.

 

[IrishAnto]

Two top QBs last yr were top picks from the start of spring ball. They didnt make their climbs after the Bowls were played. they were legit top picks. When ur stock climbs after the games have finished, you know ur reaching.

Last year is last year.

Players rise and sink every year and don't pretend that doesn't happen.

There's a reason they do the combine and interview the players along with the Senior bowl, East -West shrine game etc.

 

[LatinMind]

Last year is last year.

Players rise and sink every year and don't pretend that doesn't happen.

There's a reason they do the combine and interview the players along with the Senior bowl, East -West shrine game etc.

thats why u have so many busts. Because players rise in the underwear olympics

 

[IrishAnto]

thats why u have so many busts. Because players rise in the underwear olympics

And equally players fall and still become very good players.

It's not all one way.

 

[CATCH17]

And equally players fall and still become very good players.

It's not all one way.

Measurables do mean a lot at the NFL level.

You don't see a lot of great college players who got passed on because of their measurable actually turn out to be great pros.

It's usually the guys running, jumping, and bigger than everyone else.

 

[IrishAnto]

Measurables do mean a lot at the NFL level.

You don't see a lot of great college players who got passed on because of their measurable actually turn out to be great pros.

It's usually the guys running, jumping, and bigger than everyone else.

Some guys don't do much in college (for various reasons), have a great combine and rise up the boards.

Some are busts and others turn out to be good players.

One that springs to mind was Dontari Poe, who did little in college, had a great combine and was drafted by KC at 11.

Turned out to be a good player.

If it was an exact science then they would just of off college tape and there would be no busts.

Reality is different.

 

[CATCH17]

Some guys don't do much in college (for various reasons), have a great combine and rise up the boards.

Some are busts and others turn out to be good players.

One that springs to mind was Dontari Poe, who did little in college, had a great combine and was drafted by KC at 11.

Turned out to be a good player.

If it was an exact science then they would just of off college tape and there would be no busts.

Reality is different.

Our very own Demarcus Ware.

Guy came out of nowhere but he was an absolute freak athlete.

 

[IrishAnto]

Our very own Demarcus Ware.

Guy came out of nowhere but he was an absolute freak athlete.

Good example.

 

[garyv]

Defensive Line Pass Rush will always make a back 7 look much much better. But another problem
I have is we are not aggressive on Defense which resorts back to Marrinelli. He doesn't attack like
Wade Phillips does with the Denver D. He needs to reconsider some scheme changes.

 

[jterrell]

The thread starts with a logical fallacy.

There have been no QBs drafted top in the recent era while a "franchise" QB existed largely because teams with franchise QBs do not get to draft top 5.

The only recent example is the Colts who moved on because they didn't know if Payton could even play and he was making a gazillion dollars.
Luck was there for them to run to, but Payton was far from certain to return regardless.

As to other occasions....
Jimmy Johnson used the top supplemental pick on Steve Walsh after taking Aikman number 1.
The draft guru had no issues with more than 1 franchise QB. --at least for a while.

Steve Young was a top overall selection at QB.
The 49ers didn't draft him and couldn't have if they wanted but they did trade for him at the cost of a 2nd and 4th all while having a peak Joe Montana in place.
Young didn't actually take over for 4 years--after two bust years in Tampa. Young's career with them as starter was 8 years of 10+ wins.
When he was injured they passed the torch to Jeff Garcia and really have been looking for another elite QB ever since.
Montana to Young carried them to 18 years of elite play.
In the 17 years since they have been above .500 only 5 times and had 8 different leading passers for a season.

Everyone knows the Favre to Rodgers story. Rodgers was a lock as a top 10 pick who fell.
Cocky, system guy was the label. GB pounced but let him sit.

You don't pass elite QB's.
They are worth half a team in trade.

 

[jterrell]

Defensive Line Pass Rush will always make a back 7 look much much better. But another problem
I have is we are not aggressive on Defense which resorts back to Marrinelli. He doesn't attack like
Wade Phillips does with the Denver D. He needs to reconsider some scheme changes.

teams that attack have excellent secondaries or get beat badly at times.

no team routinely blitzes that can't stop 3 step drops.

a good secondary does just as much to make a pass rush look better. it all works together.

Denver has 3 of its 4 secondary members in the top 10 in salary.

TJ Ward makes what both Dallas starting safeties make combined.

NE added Revis and won SB. Let Revis walk and missed SB. Secondary is more valuable than ever given credit for.