The problems with drafting for need

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no offense dude but that is basically inaccurate in every way, almost line for line.

dallas passed on mccoy because he was never on the board when they picked.
Wrong!

Dallas' original 2nd round pick was 2-51. They wanted Max Unger, but Seattle traded in front of them to 2-49 to take Unger.

Dallas traded 2-51 to Buffalo and LeSean McCoy was drafted at 2-53.

51 comes before 53. McCoy was definitely available at the Cowboys original 2nd round pick.
 

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I think you would see more interesting drafts if the salary cap was more fluid like in the NBA. The amount of draft-day player trades in the NBA is staggering compared to the NFL, which is almost nonexistent.
 

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again that's not 'necessarily' true.
because the other variable in the equation for player success is how that player fits his situation and that derives from team needs.
martellus bennett has top 10 TE talent but here was never going to grow into that because we had Witten.
same way hatcher had to see us go to a 4-3 to reach his full potential because we were a bad scheme for him.
he went from 3-4 back up to 4-3 pro bowler.

statistically your best chance at success is the highest rated guy you can nurture and develop properly.
for most players that means having game time available for them and a coach that will put them in a position to succeed.

mike jenkins was a decent r1 pick. not good mind you, but decent.
he didn't have a chance really here tho because didn't have much help from speedy LBs or Safeties.
he was on an island a lot and he just wasn't good enough to be on an island but also asked to come up and play the flats.
we certainly needed him but we didn't nurture or develop him.
he competed and beat out scandrck and was asked to play at an enormously high level which he only hit for a brief period.

They would have gone to a 2 TE set as their base if MartyB could learn the game plan and how to run the correct routes. He didn't have to beat out Witten to basically be a starter.

I'm not sure how the Safeties situation should have affected the Mike Jenkins pick. Jenkins, IMO, is an example of how most of the Cowboys draft picks have had the physical ability to be good but didn't have the correct mental-makeup to maximize their own talent. It didn't take long before it became obvious that despite just being the slot CB, that Scandrick had a much better understanding of the overall defense than Mike Jenkins. Also, despite being similar in size, Scandrick was a much more physical player and didn't shy away from run defense.

It's a different topic than this thread, but all 3 of these players MartyB, Hatcher and Mike Jenkins had the physical ability to be good players but had mental makeup issues that held them back.
MartyB was extremely immature and didn't put in the effort because in his mind he was a better player than Witten and should have automatically been named the starter.

Hatcher was immature early in his career. He had a big issue with not being a starter and said it in interviews as well as screaming it out when he made a play on the field. Physically, he has ideal measureables to be a 3-4 DE. The 3-tech in Marinelli's DL scheme is almost always going to get more sacks and pressures than a 3-4 DE of equivalent talent.

Mike Jenkins had obvious attitude issues and obviously made many "business decisions" in avoiding tackles.
I think you would see more interesting drafts if the salary cap was more fluid like in the NBA. The amount of draft-day player trades in the NBA is staggering compared to the NFL, which is almost nonexistent.

Yes, I liked it when trades were more prevalent in the NFL; however, it might be a good thing if it limits Jerry's trades.
 

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The scuttlebutt is that McClay will be more open to character risks players but more likey to avoid injury risk players.

Good, let's hope that is true... as long as they still stay away from guys with real off the field issues, and still focus on guys who love the game.
 

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Good, let's hope that is true... as long as they still stay away from guys with real off the field issues, and still focus on guys who love the game.

I would also avoid guys with the MartyB type mental makeup in the top 3 to 4 rounds. In the late rounds I would take more risks on questionable character guys if they have excellent physical ability. Guys like Vontaze Burfict.

Later round guys don't have the cred to influence the locker-room; whereas, a 1st round pick knows that they are not going to get cut and other young player hold them in high regard.
 

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I would also avoid guys with the MartyB type mental makeup in the top 3 to 4 rounds. In the late rounds I would take more risks on questionable character guys if they have excellent physical ability. Guys like Vontaze Burfict.

Later round guys don't have the cred to influence the locker-room; whereas, a 1st round pick knows that they are not going to get cut and other young player hold them in high regard.

Agreed. Lazy, non-nonchalant attitudes need to stay away. We need some guys with some piss and vinegar. It is guys like Burfict that I would risk in later rounds.
 

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Wrong!

Dallas' original 2nd round pick was 2-51. They wanted Max Unger, but Seattle traded in front of them to 2-49 to take Unger.

Dallas traded 2-51 to Buffalo and LeSean McCoy was drafted at 2-53.

51 comes before 53. McCoy was definitely available at the Cowboys original 2nd round pick.

Maybe Jterrell was thinking of Jairus Byrd who was drafted earlier in the 2nd round. McCoy was certainly available at our 2nd round pick and we traded out of it.
 

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There is so much smoke and mirrors regarding the RKG kind of thing. Fact is that if you do your jobs right the only time you get a WKG is if you screw up in scouting or drafting. Everyone you pick SHOULD be a RKG.
 
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