The Proof Is In The Pudding: There Never Was Any Stripping of PlayCalling!

[Echo9]

Someone explain how going from TE coach to WR coach is a demotion?

At worst it is a parallel move. And if your goal is to advance to say OC the more facets of offence you have coached the better.

Funny how snippets of quotes by known exaggerators is taken as truth but accurate transcripts of the full quote is spin control.

Funny, I was just about to bring this up. TE to WR is a lateral move. HOwever, I think WBP might be referring to the "passing game coordinator" title. BUt come on. How many passing game coordinators are there in the league? We all know that was a BS title. Having it attached to the Brother of the HC was a mistake and it's a good thing that it's gone.

Kinda hard to get the same job when part of your last position was semi imaginary, so including the "Passing Game Coordinator" job as a requirement for a future postion to be considered lateral is a bit silly.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Someone explain how going from TE coach to WR coach is a demotion?

He was also passing game coordinator. Is he that at Tampa?

 

[blindzebra]

He was also passing game coordinator. Is he that at Tampa?

You and I both know that is a title and not an actual job description...but whatever keep the agenda alive.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

You and I both know that is a title and not an actual job description...but whatever keep the agenda alive.

I don't believe that's true at all. I've heard that Callahan sat in on the run game meetings and not the pass game ones because he was... Drumroll... Run game coordinator. Why even have the title at all if they don't do anything extra?

Now the "assistant head coach" title... That's probably pretty meaningless as far as actual responsibility goes.

And the agenda word is so overused. What exactly is my agenda, figuring out what is really happening rather than accepting what Baghdad Mickey tells me? I've already said I'm for these changes. You seem to have more of an agenda, which is proving that Jerry just sat back and Garrett did all this on his own.

 

[blindzebra]

I don't believe that's true at all. I've heard that Callahan sat in on the run game meetings and not the pass game ones because he was... Drumroll... Run game coordinator. Why even have the title at all if they don't do anything extra?

Now the "assistant head coach" title... That's probably pretty meaningless as far as actual responsibility goes.

And the agenda word is so overused. What exactly is my agenda, figuring out what is really happening rather than accepting what Baghdad Mickey tells me? I've already said I'm for these changes. You seem to have more of an agenda, which is proving that Jerry just sat back and Garrett did all this on his own.

Callahan's title is OC/OL.

So in the passing game meetings you had Robinson Ast HC/WR, Wilson QB, Garrett TE/OGC and Garrett HC.

Hmmmm...so the 3rd ranking guy in the meeting had additional responsibilities?

Ok

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Callahan is the run game coordinator. John was the pass game coordinator. Maybe you didn't realize that.

Not sure why that's so , but suit yourself.

 

[burmafrd]

So, you've made a conscious choice to believe a purely speculative phantasmic hallucination rather than objectively look at the facts and think for yourself?

Ok, I get it.

and you choose to slurp up whatever is said by so called 'official sources'

 

[Bluestang]

I don't believe that's true at all. I've heard that Callahan sat in on the run game meetings and not the pass game ones because he was... Drumroll... Run game coordinator. Why even have the title at all if they don't do anything extra?

Maybe your source is feeding you wrong information.

Why would Callahan sit out of the pass game meetings during the game plan preparations?

He does coach the OL too and has that title as the OL coach. Last time I checked pass protections are pretty darn important in the passing game. It would be incredibly silly to install the passing game during the game plan preparations without any input or even Callahan not even in those meetings.

Callahan said it multiple times that it was a collaborative effort in regards to game plan and play calling in his interview on Thursday. The entire staff knows what plays to expect to be called in all situations because that is part of the game planning process. He even went as far as saying that they don't do anything different than any other team in the league as far a game planning goes.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Someone explain how going from TE coach to WR coach is a demotion?

At worst it is a parallel move. And if your goal is to advance to say OC the more facets of offence you have coached the better.

Funny how snippets of quotes by known exaggerators is taken as truth but accurate transcripts of the full quote is spin control.

BINGO!

Funny, I was just about to bring this up. TE to WR is a lateral move. HOwever, I think WBP might be referring to the "passing game coordinator" title. BUt come on. How many passing game coordinators are there in the league? We all know that was a BS title. Having it attached to the Brother of the HC was a mistake and it's a good thing that it's gone.

Kinda hard to get the same job when part of your last position was semi imaginary, so including the "Passing Game Coordinator" job as a requirement for a future postion to be considered lateral is a bit silly.

Exactly!

He was also passing game coordinator. Is he that at Tampa?

Where other than in Dallas does that position exist? Now that John is gone, was that position filled?

You and I both know that is a title and not an actual job description...but whatever keep the agenda alive.

Yep, whatever keeps the fantasy fueled is believable.

 

[Bluestang]

BTW, Garrett has done away with the passing game coordinator and running game coordinator titles.

They no longer exist with this staff.

 

[Wolfpack]

Someone explain how going from TE coach to WR coach is a demotion?

At worst it is a parallel move. And if your goal is to advance to say OC the more facets of offence you have coached the better.

Funny how snippets of quotes by known exaggerators is taken as truth but accurate transcripts of the full quote is spin control.

John was the passing game coordinator also.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

John was the passing game coordinator also.

BTW, Garrett has done away with the passing game coordinator and running game coordinator titles.

They no longer exist with this staff.

And yet, the mediot bandwagoneers have been lauding the title John Garrett had that no longer exists, yet it was a demotion for him to go somewhere else and not get an equivalent title of a non existent position.

Jason fired his brother

John Garrett took a demotion

 

[Clove]

It's pretty simple. People have seen Garrett's play-calling act for 7 years now, we're done. We want something different because what he's been doing, honestly, it hasn't worked out.

He puts up good yardage, but he can't put the ball into the end zone consistently. It's like a pass rusher (Ware) I won't mention any names, really good at piling up sacks, but during the game, when you need to consistently pressure the QB, no where to be found.

 

[dadymat]

You're right, it doesn't make sense that Jason did it. So it was someone else who kicked him out, right?

Or are you saying he willingly left for a lesser position?

maybe you could explain to us with all your inside knowledge why John has tried to leave the last 2 seasons and the Cowboys blocked him?.....

its not that the move he made was an instant upgrade , he wanted a chance to call plays or run a team.....he knew it was NEVER gonna happen here ....so he WANTED to go where that future may be possible,,,,its really not that hard of a concept to grasp if you would stop talking long enough to listen

 

[Echo9]

I don't believe that's true at all. I've heard that Callahan sat in on the run game meetings and not the pass game ones because he was... Drumroll... Run game coordinator. Why even have the title at all if they don't do anything extra?

Now the "assistant head coach" title... That's probably pretty meaningless as far as actual responsibility goes.

And the agenda word is so overused. What exactly is my agenda, figuring out what is really happening rather than accepting what Baghdad Mickey tells me? I've already said I'm for these changes. You seem to have more of an agenda, which is proving that Jerry just sat back and Garrett did all this on his own.

Here's the thing (and it sort of seems like it's a bit of a tangent at this point).

The title (or Job) of Passing Game Coordinator is pretty rare around the NFL. The Title (or job) of Assistant Head Coach is more common. If we are going to choose which is more of a joke, I'd go with the one that few (if any) others teams actually use. Although we can be pretty confident that the Asst HC title is more of a title than anything real, its also one that is used often to lure valued coaches. A good example could be Marinelli coming here and getting that title (Which also help explain part of the Robinson move.)

It doesn't matter how meaningful or meaningless a title is. What matters is that "Passing Game Coordinator" is basically non existant outside Dallas. Using the loss of that part of John Garrett's title so say he has taken a demotion is wrong.

There are probably a ton of other elements to this story that you are spot on with, but John Garrett made a lateral move here. That point should be conceded. If you want to say he made a lateral move because he was pushed out of Dallas, then fine. But trying to bolster an argument with "demotion" is wrong.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

It's really quite simple, Mickey got it right and every other reporter who was there, the ones from NFL Network, ESPN, ESPN Dallas, the local papers, the local news outlets got it wrong because they have an agenda! Got it?

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

It's really quite simple, Mickey got it right and every other reporter who was there, the ones from NFL Network, ESPN, ESPN Dallas, the local papers, the local news outlets got it wrong because they have an agenda! Got it?

Actually that is a ridiculous way to look at it. It matters not how many mediots spin the same yarn. It matters where they got the information. And in this case, if you pay attention you dont need any mediots. All you do is listen and observe and you know the mediots have created a scenario that is anything but true.

Its like the State of the Union Address by the Prez. You can listen to the speech yourself and ascertain what was said. Or you can listen to the mediot pundits tells you what he said and scratch your head wonder how you missed all that. In this case, just listen and watch whats going on at VR and you dont need mediots.

 

[Echo9]

It's really quite simple, Mickey got it right and every other reporter who was there, the ones from NFL Network, ESPN, ESPN Dallas, the local papers, the local news outlets got it wrong because they have an agenda! Got it?

When it comes down to it, the actual truth is somewhere in the middle. I believe that Mickey's story is somewhat closer to the truth, but there are elements he's trying to whitewash.

 

[dadymat]

It's really quite simple, Mickey got it right and every other reporter who was there, the ones from NFL Network, ESPN, ESPN Dallas, the local papers, the local news outlets got it wrong because they have an agenda! Got it?

one group edited his statements , the other showed his exact words......who has the agenda?

 

[Bluestang]

It's really quite simple, Mickey got it right and every other reporter who was there, the ones from NFL Network, ESPN, ESPN Dallas, the local papers, the local news outlets got it wrong because they have an agenda! Got it?

I can tell that you did not read the article at all.

Spags simply transcribed the entire interview that occurred at the Senior Bowl because everything that has been written so far from the media outlets has been snippets, fragments, or partial answers that were quoted.

He left the decision up to the reader what to believe based on the full transcription of the interview.