The "Regression" of Romo

[Aven8]

It's been spoken about on this forum several times, but it's blantly obvious that Romo has regressed. In 2007 when he had the great year, we still had Sparano on this staff. Believe me....I'm not saying for one minute that is why Romo had the great year, but it's worth looking in to.

I have a couple of questions though. Is Wade the problem, or is Garrett and his lack of experience the problem? Remember he was a QB coach and suddenly became the OC and Asst. HC. It's pretty much the same story as another coach we know up in DC that is doing very well right now, Mr. Zorn.

As Cowboy fans we embraced the hire because he was one of our own, and let's not forget "Ivy league" trained. What we forget though is that Wade was undermined coming into the position, and Garrett's only experience was QB coach for Jay Feely, amongst other spares in Miami.

It also brings in another point to question. What has Wade Wilson ever accomplished? Seriously.......what? If you can answer that I will pay you handsomely! Has he ever coached a decent QB? I've never understood the love for this quy with our organization. Is it because he is cheap, or a good soldier? When is the last time we've even seen him???? Does he really coach for us still, or does he do it through Twitter????

My whole point about this situation is that Romo has regressed as a QB. Jerry is as much to blame as anybody. The Romo friendly deal is BS! Just like Wade can't change his style, Romo can't change his style either. Romo is who is....but that renegade style can be coached. It's been proven in this league for decades. Unfortunatly we have the wrong coaches in place. Remember Lloyd Christmas for the past couple of years??? How bad were our ST's? What has one coach meant to that unit thus far?

If Jerry is in to looking out for his investments he will make the right decision and get "Romo friendly". By bringing in a coach that will not take away his playmaking his ability, and teach him what he really can, and cannot do. Until then I feel this team will continue to regress. We as fans will complain....and we will continue to point fingers, and blame Wade, receivers, OL, heart, etc. But after closely examining the situation it's seems fairly simple. 12-12 in the last 24 games......2 consecutive games without a TD pass for this first time in his career.

What I'm most afraid of folks.....is that we have wasted three years of Romo's career.

 

[Cochese]

It was Jerrys master plan to trust the future of his franchise QB to a guy that had never called plays before.

 

[elcocinero]

I think the Baltimore Ravens said it best here.

"That was a real simple game plan that they attacked us with," said Reed of the Cowboys' offense. "I thought it would be more complicated, but it was a real simple game plan that they attacked us with. I mean we knew it. Looking at these coaches' openings and talking about a certain someone from Dallas, I'm like, 'Hold on now.'
"It's just Garrett, Garrett, Garrett. I knew the plays we were going against. Maybe that was the game plan for us. But when you watch it on tape, it's not as complicated as I thought it would be. I'm surprised people want to fire Wade Phillips down there and he's the one calling the defense -- and the defense is successful. The guy who's calling the offensive plays isn't getting the same turnaround. Maybe it's the players."

 

[Aven8]

It was Jerrys master plan to trust the future of his franchise QB to a guy that had never called plays before.

But why? I never understood that. Because he is very bright? One or our own? Because Troy likes him....what? It's not like we got him on the cheap!

 

[Cochese]

But why? I never understood that. Because he is very bright? One or our own? Because Troy likes him....what? It's not like we got him on the cheap!

Why? Who knows. Its Jerry Jones, there doesnt have to be any sort of logical explanation for it.

 

[chinch]

But why? I never understood that. Because he is very bright? One or our own? Because Troy likes him....what? It's not like we got him on the cheap!

why did he fire and/or let JJ leave

why did he hire Switzer

why Gailey

why Campo.

come on NFL sensibility is not jerry's thing.

jerry's ego wants a "coaching tree" and jason was his one and only shot really.

 

[fannypack]

I posted this elsewhere.

I went in and checked some stats and crunched some numbers starting back in 2007 to see where we stood against winning teams and losing teams. The results are kind of depressing.

2007
13-3
AVG WIN - .418
AVG LOSS - .687

Our wins came from teams winning less than 500. The avg losses we have came against teams with a winning pcg of .687

2008
9-7
AVG WIN - .444
AVG LOSS - .567

The same thing, see a trend?

2009
2-2
AVG WIN - .000
AVG LOSS - 1.000

Then I looked at only 300 yard passes games back from 2007 til now. The results aren't very satisfying. The first # in the #/# is the opponents pass defense for that season and the second # is their overall defense.

2007
NYG @ DAL 11/7
DAL @ CHI 27/28
STL @ DAL 21/21
DAL @ BUF 29/31
DAL @ PHI 18/10
GB @ DAL 12/11
DAL @ DET 31/32

AVG RANK PASS/TOTAL 21/20

So that year the average pass defense of a team we got 300 yards on was 21st. Overall, 20th

Let's move onto 2008
2008
DAL @ CLE 14/26
PHI @ DAL 3/3
WAS @ DAL 7/4
DAL @ ARI 22/19
SF @ DAL 20/13
SEA @ DAL 32/30

AVG RANK PASS/TOTAL 16/15

We see an improvement, but less 300 yard games than 2007 but still middle of the pack. Of course we can't choose our opponents, but it still says a lot.

2009
DAL @ TB 18/31

I don't think you can draw clear conclusions from the 300 yard passing games. But the WIN/LOSS PCT's just lead me to believe that we were the same mediocre team all along and it has slowly been showing as we're forced to play better teams.

 

[Bluestarr1]

It's been spoken about on this forum several times, but it's blantly obvious that Romo has regressed. In 2007 when he had the great year, we still had Sparano on this staff. Believe me....I'm not saying for one minute that is why Romo had the great year, but it's worth looking in to.

I have a couple of questions though. Is Wade the problem, or is Garrett and his lack of experience the problem? Remember he was a QB coach and suddenly became the OC and Asst. HC. It's pretty much the same story as another coach we know up in DC that is doing very well right now, Mr. Zorn.

As Cowboy fans we embraced the hire because he was one of our own, and let's not forget "Ivy league" trained. What we forget though is that Wade was undermined coming into the position, and Garrett's only experience was QB coach for Jay Feely, amongst other spares in Miami.

It also brings in another point to question. What has Wade Wilson ever accomplished? Seriously.......what? If you can answer that I will pay you handsomely! Has he ever coached a decent QB? I've never understood the love for this quy with our organization. Is it because he is cheap, or a good soldier? When is the last time we've even seen him???? Does he really coach for us still, or does he do it through Twitter????

My whole point about this situation is that Romo has regressed as a QB. Jerry is as much to blame as anybody. The Romo friendly deal is BS! Just like Wade can't change his style, Romo can't change his style either. Romo is who is....but that renegade style can be coached. It's been proven in this league for decades. Unfortunatly we have the wrong coaches in place. Remember Lloyd Christmas for the past couple of years??? How bad were our ST's? What has one coach meant to that unit thus far?

If Jerry is in to looking out for his investments he will make the right decision and get "Romo friendly". By bringing in a coach that will not take away his playmaking his ability, and teach him what he really can, and cannot do. Until then I feel this team will continue to regress. We as fans will complain....and we will continue to point fingers, and blame Wade, receivers, OL, heart, etc. But after closely examining the situation it's seems fairly simple. 12-12 in the last 24 games......2 consecutive games without a TD pass for this first time in his career.

What I'm most afraid of folks.....is that we have wasted three years of Romo's career.

A good argument and entirely possible. And then there's the thought that Romo is the problem.

My concern is if Romo was the problem would fans accept the brutal truth. Is our loyalty to this franchise deeper than for Romo. Could we ever accept that one of the most popular players may not be the QB to lead us to the SB.

I'm not even sure fans would not be willing to sacrafice championships just so Romo is our QB with a good career in stats and occassional playoff appearances. Right now we are obligated a big contract so we really have no choices without a trade.

Are we tough enough to make that decision if an opportunity rose and we felt it had to made? or have we become more Romo fans than Cowboys?

2010 is expected to be the best draft year for QB since 1983. Possibly 3 Heisman QB's and others. A new coach...a new QB...I'm gettin tickets!!!

 

[AdamJT13]

I posted this elsewhere.

I went in and checked some stats and crunched some numbers starting back in 2007 to see where we stood against winning teams and losing teams. The results are kind of depressing.

2007
13-3
AVG WIN - .418
AVG LOSS - .687

Our wins came from teams winning less than 500. The avg losses we have came against teams with a winning pcg of .687

2008
9-7
AVG WIN - .444
AVG LOSS - .567

The same thing, see a trend?

2009
2-2
AVG WIN - .000
AVG LOSS - 1.000

Then I looked at only 300 yard passes games back from 2007 til now. The results aren't very satisfying. The first # in the #/# is the opponents pass defense for that season and the second # is their overall defense.

2007
NYG @ DAL 11/7
DAL @ CHI 27/28
STL @ DAL 21/21
DAL @ BUF 29/31
DAL @ PHI 18/10
GB @ DAL 12/11
DAL @ DET 31/32

AVG RANK PASS/TOTAL 21/20

So that year the average pass defense of a team we got 300 yards on was 21st. Overall, 20th

Let's move onto 2008
2008
DAL @ CLE 14/26
PHI @ DAL 3/3
WAS @ DAL 7/4
DAL @ ARI 22/19
SF @ DAL 20/13
SEA @ DAL 32/30

AVG RANK PASS/TOTAL 16/15

We see an improvement, but less 300 yard games than 2007 but still middle of the pack. Of course we can't choose our opponents, but it still says a lot.

2009
DAL @ TB 18/31

I don't think you can draw clear conclusions from the 300 yard passing games. But the WIN/LOSS PCT's just lead me to believe that we were the same mediocre team all along and it has slowly been showing as we're forced to play better teams.

Uh, all of those numbers are basically the norm in the NFL -- good teams usually beat the bad teams, and their losses usually come against other good teams. And good quarterbacks usually torch bad pass defenses. That's how good teams end up with good records, bad teams end up with bad records and teams that get torched end up with low defensive rankings.

Look at any other team and you'll probably get the same type of results.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Uh, all of those numbers are basically the norm in the NFL -- good teams usually beat the bad teams, and their losses usually come against other good teams. And good quarterbacks usually torch bad pass defenses. That's how good teams end up with good records, bad teams end up with bad records and teams that get torched end up with low defensive rankings.

Look at any other team and you'll probably get the same type of results.

However ultra-homerific Adam may be, the man has a point.

 

[stilltheguru]

Why? Who knows. Its Jerry Jones, there doesnt have to be any sort of logical explanation for it.

Same reason why he gave Romo 67 million dollars. He's not too bright. sorry

 

[fannypack]

Uh, all of those numbers are basically the norm in the NFL -- good teams usually beat the bad teams, and their losses usually come against other good teams. And good quarterbacks usually torch bad pass defenses. That's how good teams end up with good records, bad teams end up with bad records and teams that get torched end up with low defensive rankings.

Look at any other team and you'll probably get the same type of results.

I agree with the 300 yard passing part. I kind of just did that for fun, but as for the average winning percentages? Yeah, in order to be THAT team that takes it to the next level we need to be able to beat the good teams too, not just the below .500 teams.

 

[Hoofbite]

Doesnt take any sort of complicated equations to see Tony is playing nowhere near as well as he did in 07 or 08 before getting hurt.

 

[AdamJT13]

I agree with the 300 yard passing part. I kind of just did that for fun, but as for the average winning percentages? Yeah, in order to be THAT team that takes it to the next level we need to be able to beat the good teams too, not just the below .500 teams.

We didn't beat "just" the below-average teams. We split with both of the playoff teams from our division last year. In 2007, we beat a 13-3 Green Bay team, swept the 10-6 Super Bowl-winning Giants and split with a 9-7 Commanders team. In the past two seasons, we're 7-5 in the regular season against teams that finished the season with a winning record against the rest of the NFL, including 5-3 against teams that won at least 10 other games.


Like I said, run the numbers for almost any team, and you'll get the same results that you posted above (partly because beating an opponent lowers that opponent's winning percentage, and losing to an opponent raises that opponent's winning percentage).

Let's say a team goes 13-3 -- finishing 8-0 against teams with a losing record, 1-0 against a .500 team and 4-3 against teams with a winning record. Is there anything wrong with that? Anything misleading? Well, a normal distribution of win-loss records for their opponents will yield something around a .450 winning percentage for the average opponent in wins and around a .650 for the average opponent in losses. That doesn't mean the 13-3 team beat only bad teams or couldn't beat good teams, it's simply the result of basic math.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Doesnt take any sort of complicated equations to see Tony is playing nowhere near as well as he did in 07 or 08 before getting hurt.

And what is missing from then? Is it feasible that Romo's stats were padded by one Buffalo Bill and that he really was overrated by both the homers and the media?

 

[tunahelper]

We are 12-12 in our last 24 games and Romo struggles in big games. These stats we should all agree on, so I dont give Romo a pass.

 

[alancdc]

We are 12-12 in our last 24 games and Romo struggles in big games. These stats we should all agree on, so I dont give Romo a pass.

I was thinking about this yesterday, and came to this theory....If this season goes bad..Meaning no playoffs....If I am Jerry, and I have built this incredible stadium that seems to have really expensive seats, parking, food and drinks what is going to keep people coming next year??? New "juice???" If his ego can handle it he simply has to hire a big name coach. He will need to get people excited again about coming out to that place, and spending the money required to do so. What coach brings that Juice? For me, it is Gruden. However, I could see Shanahan. Cower I can't see as he would probably want to either be the GM or bring in one of "his" guys. IMO, we will be competing with, at least, the Commanders and Panthers for the coach we want.

 

[Hoofbite]

And what is missing from then? Is it feasible that Romo's stats were padded by one Buffalo Bill and that he really was overrated by both the homers and the media?

Doubt it. I don't see how TO would miraculously make Tony start hitting throws he's missing by a wide margin.

Romo sucking has very little to do with who he is throwing to, if any at all.

 

[RoadRunner]

Romo has not recovered from the broken finger from last year, and if anything, seems on a steady decline.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Doubt it. I don't see how TO would miraculously make Tony start hitting throws he's missing by a wide margin.

Romo sucking has very little to do with who he is throwing to, if any at all.

He did the same thing last year. Missed him in stride on slants all the time. I think his conifidence is shaken. Spotlight isnt on TO demanding the ball, dropping a couple passes a game and being "thrown to" 16 times a game. Its all on Tony. And its obvious, he is afraid to mess up.