The running game DID work.

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Everyone who wants to believe that the running game had no impact in the Washington game needs to re-think what a running game really is. One of my football coaches had the best explanation of what a running game really is. He would say that a running game has 2 successive goals: (1) first and foremost, the first goal of a running game is to establish a defensive outcome via the offense. (2) Once established, then the goal of a running game is to score points. So if it leads to points then it has built on that defensive platform to take over a game offensively. But if it does not lead to points, it can still be effective if it sets this defensive backdrop.

And, by setting a defensive backdrop, he meant that running the ball is like playing defense in that it allows you to control the clock better, thus control the game better, and it also keeps the opposition from having favorable filed position. Thus a good running game, whether it directly leads to points or not, helps give the opposition fewer and more far between offensive chances, and more difficult chances to score because now they have to travel further down the filed to score. In the end, by establishing a defensive backdrop, it also takes pressure off the defense itself; so it can work in conjunction with the defense’s efforts to give the offense more scoring opportunities and better filed position in turn.

In the case of Dallas, This is the difference between giving up 17 points (Green Bay) and 6 (Washington). So if your offense scores just 7, running the ball helps keep opposition points down and gives you a higher probability to win! If you evaluate these Dallas games from this perspective then you can clearly see how the running game had a direct effect on losing and winning. Against the Packers, you could see how the pressure on Dallas’ defense built up as the game wore on. The lack of an effective running game put all the pressure on the defense, where as in the Washington game, you could see how the defense never wore down as the game went on, and at the end it was able to have a direct effect in icing the game. Why? It’s because the running game took enough pressure off the defense to enable their effectiveness in the end.
 

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Well Troy Aikman didnt agree with all the running and said the Boys should spread it out and sling the ball. So......

Troy is smarter than you

Troy is cooler than you

Troy has 3 Superbowl Rings and knows what he is talking about

You dont, and Troy does

Did I mention Troy is smarter than you?

Plus Troy's wife is hot

Troy knows better. You dont.
 

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Good post! Excellent point as far as field position goes. When you play an offense as stagnant as Washington's the last thing you want to do is set them up in a position to score points. You have to make them work for it. There is a reason they score less than 14pts a game this season. There were plenty of times we were pinned down and ran the ball out of it, and changed field position.
 

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Yeah we shorted the game and damn near ran the time out on ourselfs. We looked like Carolina out there instead of attacking the skins we tried to play keep away.
 

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gUnit;3095550 said:
Well Troy Aikman didnt agree with all the running and said the Boys should spread it out and sling the ball. So......

Troy is smarter than you

Troy is cooler than you

Troy has 3 Superbowl Rings and knows what he is talking about

You dont, and Troy does

Did I mention Troy is smarter than you?

Plus Troy's wife is hot

Troy knows better. You dont.

You must be a genius; I've never met a 3-year old who can type.
 

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AMERICAS_FAN;3095585 said:
Changing words on people and then LOL about it. Brilliant! :rolleyes:


you corrected it within the time limit.

It was funny.
 

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anyone who thinks running the ball is the key to losing is an outright football moron.

barber's fumbled basically KOd romo AND blew an easy score and shifted momentum. that is not an excuse to pass the ball (and risk more injury and turnovers - cough romo)

YOU NEED TO EXECUTE WELL and the cowboys are very poor at it

which is why cupcake & co are so mediocre (up/down). we're still littering the field with mistakes & penalties. this staff will never correct it.


AMERICAS_FAN;3095536 said:
Everyone who wants to believe that the running game had no impact in the Washington game needs to re-think what a running game really is. One of my football coaches had the best explanation of what a running game really is. He would say that a running game has 2 successive goals: (1) first and foremost, the first goal of a running game is to establish a defensive outcome via the offense. (2) Once established, then the goal of a running game is to score points. So if it leads to points then it has built on that defensive platform to take over a game offensively. But if it does not lead to points, it can still be effective if it sets this defensive backdrop.

And, by setting a defensive backdrop, he meant that running the ball is like playing defense in that it allows you to control the clock better, thus control the game better, and it also keeps the opposition from having favorable filed position. Thus a good running game, whether it directly leads to points or not, helps give the opposition fewer and more far between offensive chances, and more difficult chances to score because now they have to travel further down the filed to score. In the end, by establishing a defensive backdrop, it also takes pressure off the defense itself; so it can work in conjunction with the defense’s efforts to give the offense more scoring opportunities and better filed position in turn.

In the case of Dallas, This is the difference between giving up 17 points (Green Bay) and 6 (Washington). So if your offense scores just 7, running the ball helps keep opposition points down and gives you a higher probability to win! If you evaluate these Dallas games from this perspective then you can clearly see how the running game had a direct effect on losing and winning. Against the Packers, you could see how the pressure on Dallas’ defense built up as the game wore on. The lack of an effective running game put all the pressure on the defense, where as in the Washington game, you could see how the defense never wore down as the game went on, and at the end it was able to have a direct effect in icing the game. Why? It’s because the running game took enough pressure off the defense to enable their effectiveness in the end.
 

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The first halves of the last two games have been identical.

Nice drive/play to be wiped out by a turnover.

Offense was clicking before both TO's

Folk misses a FG

Offense can't get momentum back for some reason- can't figure out why......

Second half was almost identical too.... but defense held on - even with Jenkins getting knocked out this time and the Skins missing that FG from 50.
 

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AMERICAS_FAN;3095536 said:
One of my football coaches had the best explanation of what a running game really is...
Excellent description too.

This was one of those games where the OC needed to draw heavily from a philosophy that he may not like or even agree with. Several factors dictated it--and public opinion about running the ball more wasn't one of them. (Or shouldn't have been)

1. your opponent had a great pass D
2. you have a strong running game (#2 ypc in NFL)
3. your opponent's best run stopper was out
4. you've had pass protection issues
 

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chinch;3095591 said:
anyone who thinks running the ball is the key to losing is an outright football moron.

barber's fumbled basically KOd romo AND blew an easy score and shifted momentum. that is not an excuse to pass the ball (and risk more injury and turnovers - cough romo)

YOU NEED TO EXECUTE WELL and the cowboys are very poor at it

which is why cupcake & co are so mediocre (up/down). we're still littering the field with mistakes & penalties. this staff will never correct it.

We had the exact same issues under Tough Guy Bill Parcells. Just sayin...
 

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AMERICAS_FAN;3095536 said:
Everyone who wants to believe that the running game had no impact in the Washington game needs to re-think what a running game really is. One of my football coaches had the best explanation of what a running game really is. He would say that a running game has 2 successive goals: (1) first and foremost, the first goal of a running game is to establish a defensive outcome via the offense. (2) Once established, then the goal of a running game is to score points. So if it leads to points then it has built on that defensive platform to take over a game offensively. But if it does not lead to points, it can still be effective if it sets this defensive backdrop.

And, by setting a defensive backdrop, he meant that running the ball is like playing defense in that it allows you to control the clock better, thus control the game better, and it also keeps the opposition from having favorable filed position. Thus a good running game, whether it directly leads to points or not, helps give the opposition fewer and more far between offensive chances, and more difficult chances to score because now they have to travel further down the filed to score. In the end, by establishing a defensive backdrop, it also takes pressure off the defense itself; so it can work in conjunction with the defense’s efforts to give the offense more scoring opportunities and better filed position in turn.

In the case of Dallas, This is the difference between giving up 17 points (Green Bay) and 6 (Washington). So if your offense scores just 7, running the ball helps keep opposition points down and gives you a higher probability to win! If you evaluate these Dallas games from this perspective then you can clearly see how the running game had a direct effect on losing and winning. Against the Packers, you could see how the pressure on Dallas’ defense built up as the game wore on. The lack of an effective running game put all the pressure on the defense, where as in the Washington game, you could see how the defense never wore down as the game went on, and at the end it was able to have a direct effect in icing the game. Why? It’s because the running game took enough pressure off the defense to enable their effectiveness in the end.

oh my god - put your boots on it's gonna get deep in agenda-crap this week.
 

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AMERICAS_FAN;3095536 said:
Everyone who wants to believe that the running game had no impact in the Washington game needs to re-think what a running game really is. One of my football coaches had the best explanation of what a running game really is. He would say that a running game has 2 successive goals: (1) first and foremost, the first goal of a running game is to establish a defensive outcome via the offense. (2) Once established, then the goal of a running game is to score points. So if it leads to points then it has built on that defensive platform to take over a game offensively. But if it does not lead to points, it can still be effective if it sets this defensive backdrop.

And, by setting a defensive backdrop, he meant that running the ball is like playing defense in that it allows you to control the clock better, thus control the game better, and it also keeps the opposition from having favorable filed position. Thus a good running game, whether it directly leads to points or not, helps give the opposition fewer and more far between offensive chances, and more difficult chances to score because now they have to travel further down the filed to score. In the end, by establishing a defensive backdrop, it also takes pressure off the defense itself; so it can work in conjunction with the defense’s efforts to give the offense more scoring opportunities and better filed position in turn.

In the case of Dallas, This is the difference between giving up 17 points (Green Bay) and 6 (Washington). So if your offense scores just 7, running the ball helps keep opposition points down and gives you a higher probability to win! If you evaluate these Dallas games from this perspective then you can clearly see how the running game had a direct effect on losing and winning. Against the Packers, you could see how the pressure on Dallas’ defense built up as the game wore on. The lack of an effective running game put all the pressure on the defense, where as in the Washington game, you could see how the defense never wore down as the game went on, and at the end it was able to have a direct effect in icing the game. Why? It’s because the running game took enough pressure off the defense to enable their effectiveness in the end.

yes they did, but when the cowboys did really need to win, they started throwing;

you have to have a mixture, the run sets up the pass, and wears down the defense with the run;
 

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It's unfortunate that Barber had his first fumble of the year on that drive. A TD there completely changes the complexion of that game.

We were absolutely slamming the ball down their throats at will.
 

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skinsscalper;3095793 said:
It's unfortunate that Barber had his first fumble of the year on that drive. A TD there completely changes the complexion of that game.

We were absolutely slamming the ball down their throats at will.

this more than anything is why the running game isn't working.
or why the passing game isn't working.

we're killing ourselves with stupid penalties these days and that's killing drives and limiting the opportunities for EITHER of the plays.

but people get so boneheaded focused on their petpeeve they miss the rest.

how many times do we get 1st and 10 or a big gain called back on flo holding or a false start? how many sacks will romo take to kill even more drives?

our OL needs some work and fast. i hope free can come up to speed and i wish we'd go Flo-replacement shopping this offseason and that's where we spend next big bucks.

people can whine the run isn't working but even when it does we do something stupid like turn it over or committ a penality and that's where we're failing.

but please, let the RUN/PASS debate continue. many bars need useless conversation to pass the time.
 

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THUMPER;3095778 said:
We had the exact same issues under Tough Guy Bill Parcells. Just sayin...
absolutely. some of these players are just stupid. that doesn't give our poor coaches a pass.

sporano/bill's offense was 2x more reliable & stable than JAG's WITH MORE FIREPOWER with lesser talent. e have more talent now then when bill dug us up from the bottom of the nfl (5-11 x3).

guys like #82 are repeatedly going off-sides. that leads you to believe the offense is more out of sync/whack and poorly organized during game-day than 'boys apologists want to believe.
 

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iceberg;3095803 said:
this more than anything is why the running game isn't working.
or why the passing game isn't working.

we're killing ourselves with stupid penalties these days and that's killing drives and limiting the opportunities for EITHER of the plays.

but people get so boneheaded focused on their petpeeve they miss the rest.

how many times do we get 1st and 10 or a big gain called back on flo holding or a false start? how many sacks will romo take to kill even more drives?

our OL needs some work and fast. i hope free can come up to speed and i wish we'd go Flo-replacement shopping this offseason and that's where we spend next big bucks.

people can whine the run isn't working but even when it does we do something stupid like turn it over or committ a penality and that's where we're failing.

but please, let the RUN/PASS debate continue. many bars need useless conversation to pass the time.

My gripe really hasn't been about one or the other in particular, but merely balance.

And you've go a point. All the passing, running, or balance on the planet in the world won't overcome piss poor execution. I have no idea why discipline is and has been so absent from this team. It's been gone since Johnson left. Hell Parcells couldn't even even bring it back.

I know one thing; until it improves this team will wallow in mediocrity.
 

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The running game will eventually start to stagnate if you just keep sticking with it. That started to happen. We had a perfect chance to take advantage of some key passes (play action) when we had the Skins scrambling to stop the run, but we just stayed with it and beat it to death, only passing in obvious or at least expected situations, and rarely with a play fake.
 

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skinsscalper;3095838 said:
My gripe really hasn't been about one or the other in particular, but merely balance.

And you've go a point. All the passing, running, or balance on the planet in the world won't overcome piss poor execution. I have no idea why discipline is and has been so absent from this team. It's been gone since Johnson left. Hell Parcells couldn't even even bring it back.

I know one thing; until it improves this team will wallow in mediocrity.

i understand balance, but i'm more "take what the D is giving" and if that means a lot of passing, then pass the holy hell out of it.

it seems to me many were preaching that mantra while we were winning and all was shiney in dallas land. one loss, suddenly everyone is a micro-management coach who knows what is wrong and we can fix it by simply doing xyz - in this case, running more.

we need to do what is working for us and against them. period.

if we win, it's all good. if we lose, everyone is a coach.

if garrett did switch things up as often as fans say he should we'd never win a game.
 
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