The Sean Payton Bowl

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I was thinking about this earlier today, first of all, I've been a Jason Garrett critic and wanted him gone, but these past two weeks he has shown a lot of the promise that his supporters said he had, I loved it and the crow tasted great. I now think he deserves to stay.

Having said that, if Dallas somehow loses the next two and Sean Payton is available, there would probably be some temptation for Jerry to sign him.

So my question is this, if you were a Saints fan, why would you want to win this game? If NO loses to Dallas they take away Payton's main leverage in contract negotiations and get a better draft spot to boot.
 
Two games, he deserves to stay? man, it's easy to turn heads in this place... Do you think, if Sean Payton or some other competent coach, it would have taken him this long to attack the seams of a defense off of play-action? The talent on this team is right where it needs to be, to at least be a play-off team and make some noise.
 
tecolote;4907430 said:
So my question is this, if you were a Saints fan, why would you want to win this game? If NO loses to Dallas they take away Payton's main leverage in contract negotiations and get a better draft spot to boot.
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I bet a lot of Saints fans do feel that way, and I can't say I would blame them either. Look at the difference in their team without him.
 
rickjameschinaclub;4907435 said:
Two games, he deserves to stay? man, it's easy to turn heads in this place...
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Hey, I liked what I saw. But there are two games left, if he craps the bed, and of course I hope he does not, everyone will turn on him again.
 
tecolote;4907430 said:
I was thinking about this earlier today, first of all, I've been a Jason Garrett critic and wanted him gone, but these past two weeks he has shown a lot of the promise that his supporters said he had, I loved it and the crow tasted great. I now think he deserves to stay.

Having said that, if Dallas somehow loses the next two and Sean Payton is available, there would probably be some temptation for Jerry to sign him.

So my question is this, if you were a Saints fan, why would you want to win this game? If NO loses to Dallas they take away Payton's main leverage in contract negotiations and get a better draft spot to boot.
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I thought about that last week too..... do they tank this game on purpose? The more JG wins the more secure he is.
 
Makes me want to go on Saints forums and float the idea so the Nawlins media jumps all over it.


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tecolote;4907452 said:
Hey, I liked what I saw. But there are two games left, if he craps the bed, and of course I hope he does not, everyone will turn on him again.
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Remember how the problem was bad route running and no talent on the OL and Dez Bryant not being able to digest the playbook, and every other factor, besides JG?

And his critics, who are suppose to be idiots, have been saying it all throughout his tenure, the issue has been his poor play-calling. So if all the non football geniuses, as the homers of JG, like to allude to have been calling for it, why should JG get a pass suddenly because of actually one game where they looked decent coming out the gates and he finally looked competent in calling plays?

If he craps the bed, he should be gone, plain and simple, whether Payton is here or not. If he stumbles into the playoffs on the back of crappy play-calling, but Romo pushing up-tempo like he normally does, then he should be ousted.

If, on the other hand, they look like they did against the Steelers, where one can say, finally the play-calling has made an impact, then I agree, he deserves another shot. But his body of work so far clearly doesn't deserve another shot.

Again, any decent coach, with this talent, should be able to get in the play-offs and make noise.
 
Hostile;4907469 said:
Makes me want to go on Saints forums and float the idea so the Nawlins media jumps all over it.


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Do it!!

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Hostile;4907469 said:
Makes me want to go on Saints forums and float the idea so the Nawlins media jumps all over it.


:grin:
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Go for it Hos.
 
rickjameschinaclub;4907435 said:
Two games, he deserves to stay? man, it's easy to turn heads in this place... Do you think, if Sean Payton or some other competent coach, it would have taken him this long to attack the seams of a defense off of play-action? The talent on this team is right where it needs to be, to at least be a play-off team and make some noise.
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Lord knows I have been one of the biggest critics of Redball, but I think he has already convinced Jerry to keep him at least til end of his contract. They have played well enough and have appeared to be a team now that Jerry could back him up now. The team has not quit on Garrett and that is the key. Of course, Ryan has also worked miracles with what he has to work with.

so even if they lose the next two games----Garrett will remain. Give him credit, these 5 out of 6 wins in the last games has him back. I am more a Cowboys fan than a Garrett fan, so as long as the team wins I'm happy and will still root for them.
 
MagicMan;4907516 said:
Lord knows I have been one of the biggest critics of Redball, but I think he has already convinced Jerry to keep him at least til end of his contract. They have played well enough and have appeared to be a team now that Jerry could back him up now. The team has not quit on Garrett and that is the key. Of course, Ryan has also worked miracles with what he has to work with.
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And I don't buy this "the team has not quit on Garrett". What drives this team when it's down is the guy behind the center, i.e. Tony Romo. Tony Romo, the majority of this season, took the reins with up-tempo and hurry up, keeping his team in it.

The team doesn't quit on Tony Romo, despite coming out flat for the majority of their games. I still remember the second Philly game when the Eagles scored twice in teh 3rd to take the lead, only to have Romo have to make plays with his feet, on a 3rd and long, with an amazing pass to Miles Austin keeping the drive alive which actually put the Cowboys back up. They effectively looked dead, but tehn, up-tempo hurry with Romo saved the day.
 
rickjameschinaclub;4907473 said:
Remember how the problem was bad route running and no talent on the OL and Dez Bryant not being able to digest the playbook, and every other factor, besides JG?

And his critics, who are suppose to be idiots, have been saying it all throughout his tenure, the issue has been his poor play-calling. So if all the non football geniuses, as the homers of JG, like to allude to have been calling for it, why should JG get a pass suddenly because of actually one game where they looked decent coming out the gates and he finally looked competent in calling plays?

If he craps the bed, he should be gone, plain and simple, whether Payton is here or not. If he stumbles into the playoffs on the back of crappy play-calling, but Romo pushing up-tempo like he normally does, then he should be ousted.

If, on the other hand, they look like they did against the Steelers, where one can say, finally the play-calling has made an impact, then I agree, he deserves another shot. But his body of work so far clearly doesn't deserve another shot.

Again, any decent coach, with this talent, should be able to get in the play-offs and make noise.
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I agree for now. I'll wait to assess this at the end of the [post] season though. I haven't seen anything from him that makes him standout as a coach other than his obvious blunders. I am happy right now to an extent, because we're still in it. But we should have never lost that Thanksgiving Day game. We should be leading the division right now.
 
If we stay hot and make a run in the playoffs, that would give Jerry enough to keep JG. In that scenario I expect Sean Payton to return.

I think that's all Sean is waiting for. As soon as he knows about the Cowboy's decision he'll make his. And not until then. No way does Sean resign a contract with N.O. before.
 
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