The Seattle comparison: I don't see it

[CyberB0b]

Nice post CB.
It pretty much indicates that Monte did in fact learn some things about the defensive talent this year.

Our man coverage is decent as a package except versus elite talent, versus RB or TE(doubling a TE... sad).
Not so good in zone.

Our LBs do not cover well at all (except Lee). Drafting a solid coverage LB would probably move up my list of needs after looking more and more at play by play results that showed RB and TE murder us.

Ware standing up is something I suspect we'll see more of. He's used to it and whatever makes him comfortable is a good thing.
Its a pretty basic 3-4 look imho.

The wide 9 sets are basically thing, an effort to get to what he does best.

That was just 1 quarter of one game. If you look at the film of Week 1 vs the Giants, we ran a lot of 4-3 "Stack" alignment. Honestly, I haven't seen a lot of 4-3 under like I thought we would see. Like I said earlier, we struggled to find an identity on defense.

I think the game is going more towards Nickel and Sub packages being primary, instead of traditional 3-4/4-3. Church is the perfect player for this type of scheme, as he can play in the box and he is a good wrap up tackler. We desperately need a FS who can cover. If we get creative running these schemes, we can get away from having 3-4 linebackers on the field. I really like this look as a base defense:

We have this lineup:

DT - DT - DT
DE LB DE

CB CB CB FS SS

You can do so much with the front 7 in this alignment. It is decent enough against the run and you can disguise defenses behind it. Lots of flexibility here. You can sub out the DTs for DEs. You can sub in LBs, etc. I wonder how many times we ran that all year. I would guess only a handful of times.

 

[Common Sense]

That was just 1 quarter of one game. If you look at the film of Week 1 vs the Giants, we ran a lot of 4-3 "Stack" alignment. Honestly, I haven't seen a lot of 4-3 under like I thought we would see. Like I said earlier, we struggled to find an identity on defense.

I think the game is going more towards Nickel and Sub packages being primary, instead of traditional 3-4/4-3. Church is the perfect player for this type of scheme, as he can play in the box and he is a good wrap up tackler. We desperately need a FS who can cover. If we get creative running these schemes, we can get away from having 3-4 linebackers on the field. I really like this look as a base defense:

We have this lineup:

DT - DT - DT
DE LB DE

CB CB CB FS SS

You can do so much with the front 7 in this alignment. It is decent enough against the run and you can disguise defenses behind it. Lots of flexibility here. You can sub out the DTs for DEs. You can sub in LBs, etc. I wonder how many times we ran that all year. I would guess only a handful of times.

Didn't Kiffin have some sort of three-safety nickle scheme he implemented at USC? It could be a way to get Wilcox, Church, and that mythical ballhawking FS of the future on the field at the same time in lieu of someone like Carter or Holloman.

 

[Stryker44]

If Cover 3 is unquestionably superior to Cover 2, which is outdated, why don't more teams play exclusively Cover 3?

 

[Common Sense]

If Cover 3 is unquestionably superior to Cover 2, which is outdated, why don't more teams play exclusively Cover 3?

I mean, they pretty much do.

 

[HappyOnions]

You aren't seeing the comparison because there aren't any.

These two teams play completely different styles of football and are light years away from each other in terms of coaching, management, and talent.

 

[Floatyworm]

I'm only talking about Xs and Os. Nothing else. Don't even talk about talent. I don't care. This is a nerd thread.

The only similarities between the Dallas and Seattle schemes that I can really tell are a general desire to play mostly single-high safety coverage (which we unfortunately don't have the secondary for) and a tendency towards a 4-3 "under" scheme (a comparison that is so generic it's just a step up from "both teams wear shoulder pads").

Did I miss something along the way? Rex Ryan played Ware more similarly to the way Seattle plays Chris Clemons and Cliff Avril. A lot of what Seattle does looks more like Wade Phillips to me than Monte Kiffin. The way I see it, two of the four down linemen in the Seattle scheme play like they're in a 3-4/50/Bear-type defense. It's the same with Jacksonville under Gus Bradley. Am I wrong? Did I simply notice a few hybrid wrinkles here and there and start developing a narrative to bend around them? I don't think this is a Kiffin/Marinelli 4-3 at all.

The one thing I've noticed is it sure seems like the Seahawks dbs just sit back and wait for the WR to catch it....and then just smack that crap out of them. It's been so long since the last time a Cowboy db actually laid the wood to someone I can't remember.

 

[KJJ]

A comparison is being made between the Cowboys and Seahawks??? Must have come from the president of the Cowboys FAN club. Just last week a thread was started comparing Garrett with Pete Carroll. A comedy writer couldn't come up with better material than what you find here. When I post what I've read on this board some think I'm making it up but my imagination isn't good enough to make up what FANS dream up. LOL

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

I'm only talking about Xs and Os. Nothing else. Don't even talk about talent. I don't care. This is a nerd thread.

The only similarities between the Dallas and Seattle schemes that I can really tell are a general desire to play mostly single-high safety coverage (which we unfortunately don't have the secondary for) and a tendency towards a 4-3 "under" scheme (a comparison that is so generic it's just a step up from "both teams wear shoulder pads").

Did I miss something along the way? Rex Ryan played Ware more similarly to the way Seattle plays Chris Clemons and Cliff Avril. A lot of what Seattle does looks more like Wade Phillips to me than Monte Kiffin. The way I see it, two of the four down linemen in the Seattle scheme play like they're in a 3-4/50/Bear-type defense. It's the same with Jacksonville under Gus Bradley. Am I wrong? Did I simply notice a few hybrid wrinkles here and there and start developing a narrative to bend around them? I don't think this is a Kiffin/Marinelli 4-3 at all.

Not the current so-called Team of Jerrals Kids that was built on a sandy beach with lackadaisical Margaritas and Bikinis.

Jimmy Johnsons Cowboys were a real Football Team and the Sea Hawks compare well to that solid foundation built with serious Fundamentals and Heart.

 

[KJJ]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around some of the Morris Claiborne/Richard Sherman comparisons that were being made by a few FANS.

 

[CyberB0b]

A comparison is being made between the Cowboys and Seahawks??? Must have come from the president of the Cowboys FAN club. Just last week a thread was started comparing Garrett with Pete Carroll. A comedy writer couldn't come up with better material than what you find here. When I post what I've read on this board some think I'm making it up but my imagination isn't good enough to make up what FANS dream up. LOL

What are you talking about?

The Seattle comparison: I don't see it

 

[KJJ]

What are you talking about?

The Seattle comparison: I don't see it

The OP doesn't see it and I'm sure many others don't either but apparently someone made the comparison or he wouldn't have started the thread.

 

[KJJ]

One FAN was so desperate to find a comparison between Sherman and Claiborne that he said their heights were comparable when the fact is Sherman is listed 4 inches taller than Claiborne. LOL

 

[CyberB0b]

The OP doesn't see it and I'm sure many others don't either but apparently someone made the comparison or he wouldn't have started the thread.

No, it came from old man Monte telling Brandon Carr to watch film on the Seahawks last offseason.

 

[KJJ]

No, it came from old man Monte telling Brandon Carr to watch film on the Seahawks last offseason.

If so that shows just how out of touch Kiffin has become and why our defense was so bad. It also could explain why Carr was toasted several times this past season.

 

[KJJ]

I'm not sure who's more out of touch the FANS on this board or the one running the organization.

 

[BAT]

The Seattle comparison would become a lot more vivid (and real) if Cowboys would just hire Kenny Norton to assist Marinelli. Dennis Thurman as secondary coach would not hurt either (likes to play man to man, which is a Cowboys' strength). Kiffen and Marinelli's system is based on simplicity, while Seattle's system is based on duplicity (or adjustment). Seattle does a lot of read and react. They play D like the Pats play O.

 

[Fredd]

Seattle can do that because they have the personnel to do that...it seems to me the only player on our D that reads and reacts well is Lee