The Seattle Cowboys?

[Sully]

The Seattle Seahawks are like the Cowboys. They got away from the ground and pound attack after their SuperBowl loss to New England. The team tried to put the offense on the back of Russell Wilson & the team went south. Going into this season, the same plan didn't produce with a 0-2 start. So the Seahawks really focused on running the ball and good defense. Seattle doesn't have exciting WRs or a TE to mention of.
They have average --at best-- RBs but have 2-3 good RBs, so they use the RB by community route. Not asking Wilson to win the game but has the ability to do so. Wilson threw for alittle over 200 yrd vs GB, with no INTs and made some BIG passes to keep drives alive.

This process resembles what the Cowboys have or are trying to accomplish. But does this type of approach lead to a .500-ish record. Seattle is now 5-5 and Dallas is trying to get to that same mediocre level.

 

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[Direwolf63]

The Seattle Seahawks are like the Cowboys. They got away from the ground and pound attack after their SuperBowl loss to New England. The team tried to put the offense on the back of Russell Wilson & the team went south. Going into this season, the same plan didn't produce with a 0-2 start. So the Seahawks really focused on running the ball and good defense. Seattle doesn't have exciting WRs or a TE to mention of.
They have average --at best-- RBs but have 2-3 good RBs, so they use the RB by community route. Not asking Wilson to win the game but has the ability to do so. Wilson threw for alittle over 200 yrd vs GB, with no INTs and made some BIG passes to keep drives alive.

This process resembles what the Cowboys have or are trying to accomplish. But does this type of approach lead to a .500-ish record. Seattle is now 5-5 and Dallas is trying to get to that same mediocre level.

Look who has the best records in the NFL right now and the answers jump out at you.

This is a passing league. It's a QB driven league. It's an offensive innovator driven league. The rules support this. The running game is nice, but it's not the primary driver for success. Nor is defense. This is the way the NFL wants to be.

It's similar in the NBA. Steph Curry has changed the way basketball is played today.

Some people don't like it. That's the way it is.

Adapt or die. The Cowboys are not adapting. They need new coaching.

 

[Sully]

Look who has the best records in the NFL right now and the answers jump out at you.

This is a passing league. It's a QB driven league. It's an offensive innovator driven league. The rules support this. The running game is nice, but it's not the primary driver for success. Nor is defense. This is the way the NFL wants to be.

It's similar in the NBA. Steph Curry has changed the way basketball is played today.

Some people don't like it. That's the way it is.

Adapt or die. The Cowboys are not adapting. They need new coaching.

No rebuttal there ! And 110% that Garrett is a coach that doesn't adapt ( nor is Jerry Jones). Stubbornness / Pride /Ego are key ingredients that destroy franchises

 

[RodeoJake]

OKC Wildcatters after new ownership?

 

[CouchCoach]

No rebuttal there ! And 110% that Garrett is a coach that doesn't adapt ( nor is Jerry Jones). Stubbornness / Pride /Ego are key ingredients that destroy franchises

Yet, isn't it odd that not too long ago our complaint was that he was pass happy and wouldn't run the ball enough?

 

[Bullflop]

We're running an antiquated offensive scheme. Is it any wonder that our offensive success rate is faltering? As much as I'm reluctant to say so, our FO is enabling that tendency to continue as long as Jerry and Stephen insist upon employing those who run an archaic 90s offense. I'm so afraid it's that simple. We'll continue to struggle as long as that situation persists. We'll continue to win against the losers and struggle vs. the more elite opposition. Can JG and Linehan adapt to change that trend? I believe we're about to find out in the weeks ahead. May the wind be at our backs and the good Lord at our side!

 

[Idgit]

Look who has the best records in the NFL right now and the answers jump out at you.

This is a passing league. It's a QB driven league. It's an offensive innovator driven league. The rules support this. The running game is nice, but it's not the primary driver for success. Nor is defense. This is the way the NFL wants to be.

It's similar in the NBA. Steph Curry has changed the way basketball is played today.

Some people don't like it. That's the way it is.

Adapt or die. The Cowboys are not adapting. They need new coaching.

It's still about passing effectiveness differential. That helps when you have a great passing game, but it's not a one-sided equation. You can see it happening in Dallas where the offense might be improving with better protection and the addition of Cooper, because the defense has defended v. the pass relatively well this season.

 

[mattjames2010]

Seattle got away from "ground and pound" for a few reasons - 1 Their O-Line became crap 2. Their historic defense aged and they lost key player 3. Wilson became a far better QB than he was his first 3 seasons

The past few super bowl winners may have had a good running game, but they also had QBs playing at a really high level or a top 6 D.

That's the formula. If you have either an elite QB or defense, your chance of winning a super bowl raises significantly. We have an inconsistent, at best, QB and a good defense. That's it. We aren't getting to the super bowl even if we run the ball 40 times a game.

 

[wssaustin]

RW3 is far better a QB than Dak, he can win playoff games including SB,
Seattle's home games getting special treatment from refs.

Don't even compare about the 2 franchises.

 

[DandyDon52]

The Seattle Seahawks are like the Cowboys. They got away from the ground and pound attack after their SuperBowl loss to New England. The team tried to put the offense on the back of Russell Wilson & the team went south. Going into this season, the same plan didn't produce with a 0-2 start. So the Seahawks really focused on running the ball and good defense. Seattle doesn't have exciting WRs or a TE to mention of.
They have average --at best-- RBs but have 2-3 good RBs, so they use the RB by community route. Not asking Wilson to win the game but has the ability to do so. Wilson threw for alittle over 200 yrd vs GB, with no INTs and made some BIG passes to keep drives alive.

This process resembles what the Cowboys have or are trying to accomplish. But does this type of approach lead to a .500-ish record. Seattle is now 5-5 and Dallas is trying to get to that same mediocre level.

they are similar.
They drafted penny high to be the main rb but he got hurt early and hurt again after a big run early in the game.
They are trying to get a run game again.

 

[Direwolf63]

It's still about passing effectiveness differential. That helps when you have a great passing game, but it's not a one-sided equation. You can see it happening in Dallas where the offense might be improving with better protection and the addition of Cooper, because the defense has defended v. the pass relatively well this season.

Cooper may have helped somewhat. But you are still stuck with a very inconsistent passer and archaic schemes that's been out of the league for decades.

You have a HC trying to recreate the 90's dynasty that the league left behind ages ago.

The defense has some nice pieces, but when we play the Saints, you will see how far back we really are. We are light years behind the upper echelon and we will never catch up with this fossilized offense.

Eight wins is the ceiling. Maybe nine with the cupcake December schedule. That might even win the division. But that just sets up a pasting at the hands of playoffs calibration opponents.

 

[ShiningStar]

Look who has the best records in the NFL right now and the answers jump out at you.

This is a passing league. It's a QB driven league. It's an offensive innovator driven league. The rules support this. The running game is nice, but it's not the primary driver for success. Nor is defense. This is the way the NFL wants to be.

It's similar in the NBA. Steph Curry has changed the way basketball is played today.

Some people don't like it. That's the way it is.

Adapt or die. The Cowboys are not adapting. They need new coaching.

this is so boring and exactly what the media wants, "hey watch the people do as we say"

fans: its a passing league

fans: we need a difference maker

fans we do what the media tells us.


Spoiler Alert, its not a pasisng league, its a winning league, that means you go with whatever formula that wins and you either emulate it or dare i say have to do real coaching. You dont have a passing league if most of the qbs are average, and you dont win if your team cant score, i dont care how good your qb is, if your WRs suck or your team cant do it, oh well.

we are a team that should be a run team, and look around the league, freak out and pass and our QB sad to say cant do it on his own.

 

[Idgit]

Cooper may have helped somewhat. But you are still stuck with a very inconsistent passer and archaic schemes that's been out of the league for decades.

You have a HC trying to recreate the 90's dynasty that the league left behind ages ago.

The defense has some nice pieces, but when we play the Saints, you will see how far back we really are. We are light years behind the upper echelon and we will never catch up with this fossilized offense.

Eight wins is the ceiling. Maybe nine with the cupcake December schedule. That might even win the division. But that just sets up a pasting at the hands of playoffs calibration opponents.

I didn’t say we’d match up with the Saints. Only that the equation for winning goes through passing effectiveness differential and not just offense. Brees is as good as any QB in the league, and that gives them a huge advantage for that half of the equation.

 

[Direwolf63]

this is so boring and exactly what the media wants, "hey watch the people do as we say"

fans: its a passing league

fans: we need a difference maker

fans we do what the media tells us.


Spoiler Alert, its not a pasisng league, its a winning league, that means you go with whatever formula that wins and you either emulate it or dare i say have to do real coaching. You dont have a passing league if most of the qbs are average, and you dont win if your team cant score, i dont care how good your qb is, if your WRs suck or your team cant do it, oh well.

we are a team that should be a run team, and look around the league, freak out and pass and our QB sad to say cant do it on his own.

Thanks Jason. Enjoy your 8 wins

The running game has never meant less than it does today.

But the Cowboys have to run the ball because of the QB and HC.

And that leaves us far behind the top teams.

 

[Direwolf63]

I didn’t say we’d match up with the Saints. Only that the equation for winning goes through passing effectiveness differential and not just offense. Brees is as good as any QB in the league, and that gives them a huge advantage for that half of the equation.

Well considering how ineffective the Cowboys are passing the ball (for a variety of reasons) still leaves us far behind the top teams. With no end in sight under the current regime

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

Look who has the best records in the NFL right now and the answers jump out at you.

This is a passing league. It's a QB driven league. It's an offensive innovator driven league. The rules support this. The running game is nice, but it's not the primary driver for success. Nor is defense. This is the way the NFL wants to be.

It's similar in the NBA. Steph Curry has changed the way basketball is played today.

Some people don't like it. That's the way it is.

Adapt or die. The Cowboys are not adapting. They need new coaching.

I agree with your assessment of the league. However, you can't blame the coaching for the strategic decisions made by management.

Management made the decision to use a rare #4 overall pick on a RB.

Management made the decision to devote a large amount of draft and salary cap resources to the O-Line.

Management made the decision to trade a 1st round pick for a WR.

Management made the decision to devote nothing more than a late 4th round pick on a QB- the most important position on the team.


I'll not defend Garrett, but the lack of adaptation by the Cowboys is based on the strategic decisions of management, not the coaching staff. The GM is a FAR bigger problem than the coaching in Dallas.

 

[jazzcat22]

RW3 is far better a QB than Dak, he can win playoff games including SB,
Seattle's home games getting special treatment from refs.

Don't even compare about the 2 franchises.

20 / 20 hindsight is fantastic along with that fantastic defense they had also.

Don’t even compare? That is what this forum is partly about.

 

[Direwolf63]

I agree with your assessment of the league. However, you can't blame the coaching for the strategic decisions made by management.

Management made the decision to use a rare #4 overall pick on a RB.

Management made the decision to devote a large amount of draft and salary cap resources to the O-Line.

Management made the decision to trade a 1st round pick for a WR.

Management made the decision to devote nothing more than a late 4th round pick on a QB- the most important position on the team.


I'll not defend Garrett, but the lack of adaptation by the Cowboys is based on the strategic decisions of management, not the coaching staff. The GM is a FAR bigger problem than the coaching in Dallas.

And that's why when I talk about the regime, I'm referring to management as well.

 

[beware_d-ware]

I see the run game as a way to prop up QBs as much as anything. Seattle is running because Wilson simply wasn't going to survive taking the kind of beatings he did the last couple years. Seattle's defense was eroding too and couldn't keep games close on their own any more. So they take the air out of the football, slow the game down, and get Wilson back to the low volume high-efficiency football he had earlier succeeded at.