The seven myths as to why Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl

[gtb1943]

So why didn't he win at Pitt in big games???? When he a team full of college stars and future NFL players.

why didn't Jim Kelly win any of his SBs?

 

[saturdaysarebetter]

why didn't Jim Kelly win any of his SBs?

You didn't answer my question.

Did he play well in any of those Super Bowls?

Marino did not play well in big games. Stats don’t lie. Let’s look at Marino’s play in his post-season losses:

In 1983 at home against Seattle, Miami lost 27-20. Marino threw two interceptions in 25 passes and had a passer rating of 77.6 wasting Miami’s number one ranked defense in the NFL. Seattle’s defense was ranked 24th out of 28 in the NFL in points given up.

In 1984 in Super Bowl XIX against San Francisco, despite having the highest scoring team in the NFL and a top-10 defense, Marino would lead Miami to only one touchdown and generate only 16 points. Marino would throw two interceptions that day and had a passer rating of 66.9.

As point of reference as to how badly Marino played on the brightest stage, Trent Dilfer in Super Bowl XXXV, had a passer rating of 80.9 for the Baltimore Ravens against the New York Giants. Dilfer’s career regular season passer rating is 70.2. Dilfer raised his game in the Super Bowl. Marino’s career regular season passer rating is 86.4. His Super Bowl passer rating: 66.9.

In 1985 in the AFC Championship Game at home in Miami, Marino would complete only 20-of-48 passes and throw two interceptions as the Dolphins could only score 14 points against the New England Patriots. Marino’s passer rating that day was 54.9. In comparison, the great Tony Eason was unfazed by big game jitters and outplayed Marino badly, throwing three touchdowns, no interceptions and had a passer rating of 130.9.

The Dolphins wouldn’t make the playoffs during the 1986-1989 seasons. In 1990, in a playoff game at Buffalo, Marino would again throw two interceptions and had a passer rating of 72.1. The Dolphins that year had the fourth best scoring defense in the NFL. The Bills had the sixth best scoring defense in the NFL.

The Dolphins would not make the post-season in 1991. In 1992 at home against the Bills in the playoffs, Marino would throw, you guessed it, two interceptions and had a passer rating of 56.5. Miami would not make the playoffs in 1993.

The 1994 season ended in a playoff game at San Diego, Marino played well in the only time his Dolphins team lost in the post-season. Marino was 24-of-38 for 262 yards with three touchdown passes and no interceptions and had a passer rating of 109.8.

With that sole exception, Marino would throw at least two interceptions in every one of Miami’s season-ending playoff games throughout his entire career. It’s hard to win when your quarterback throws two interceptions in any game, especially a more pressure-packed post-season one. Let’s continue.

The 1995 season ended with a playoff loss at Buffalo where Marino would throw three interceptions and had a passer rating of just 63.4. Miami had the 10th best scoring defense in the NFL. Buffalo had the 12th best scoring defense in the NFL. So much for the myth Marino didn’t have a better defense than Miami’s playoff opponent.

Miami did not make the playoffs in 1996. The 1997 season ended with Miami a playoff loss at New England. Marino could only lead Miami to three points in the loss as he was 17-of-43 passing for just 141 yards and two interceptions. His passer rating that day was a putrid 29.3.

The 1998 season ended with a loss at Denver where Marino would again only lead the Dolphins to just three points losing 38-3. Marino would throw two interceptions and had a passer rating of just 65.5 wasting his team’s number one scoring defense in the NFL in 1998.

In Marino’s final season of 1999, the Dolphins would lose to Jacksonville 62-7 as Marino was just 11-of-25 passing for only 95 yards throwing two interceptions. Marino’s passer rating was a putrid 34.6 that day. Here is a chart comparing career regular season quarterback rating to their career post-season quarterback rating. As you can see, Marino’s QBR decreased significantly in the post-season.

 

[saturdaysarebetter]

If you bother to do research and examine each game, you will then understand why your claims about stats are bogus

Marino did not play well in big games. Stats don’t lie. Let’s look at Marino’s play in his post-season losses:

In 1983 at home against Seattle, Miami lost 27-20. Marino threw two interceptions in 25 passes and had a passer rating of 77.6 wasting Miami’s number one ranked defense in the NFL. Seattle’s defense was ranked 24th out of 28 in the NFL in points given up.

In 1984 in Super Bowl XIX against San Francisco, despite having the highest scoring team in the NFL and a top-10 defense, Marino would lead Miami to only one touchdown and generate only 16 points. Marino would throw two interceptions that day and had a passer rating of 66.9.

As point of reference as to how badly Marino played on the brightest stage, Trent Dilfer in Super Bowl XXXV, had a passer rating of 80.9 for the Baltimore Ravens against the New York Giants. Dilfer’s career regular season passer rating is 70.2. Dilfer raised his game in the Super Bowl. Marino’s career regular season passer rating is 86.4. His Super Bowl passer rating: 66.9.

In 1985 in the AFC Championship Game at home in Miami, Marino would complete only 20-of-48 passes and throw two interceptions as the Dolphins could only score 14 points against the New England Patriots. Marino’s passer rating that day was 54.9. In comparison, the great Tony Eason was unfazed by big game jitters and outplayed Marino badly, throwing three touchdowns, no interceptions and had a passer rating of 130.9.

The Dolphins wouldn’t make the playoffs during the 1986-1989 seasons. In 1990, in a playoff game at Buffalo, Marino would again throw two interceptions and had a passer rating of 72.1. The Dolphins that year had the fourth best scoring defense in the NFL. The Bills had the sixth best scoring defense in the NFL.

The Dolphins would not make the post-season in 1991. In 1992 at home against the Bills in the playoffs, Marino would throw, you guessed it, two interceptions and had a passer rating of 56.5. Miami would not make the playoffs in 1993.

The 1994 season ended in a playoff game at San Diego, Marino played well in the only time his Dolphins team lost in the post-season. Marino was 24-of-38 for 262 yards with three touchdown passes and no interceptions and had a passer rating of 109.8.

With that sole exception, Marino would throw at least two interceptions in every one of Miami’s season-ending playoff games throughout his entire career. It’s hard to win when your quarterback throws two interceptions in any game, especially a more pressure-packed post-season one. Let’s continue.

The 1995 season ended with a playoff loss at Buffalo where Marino would throw three interceptions and had a passer rating of just 63.4. Miami had the 10th best scoring defense in the NFL. Buffalo had the 12th best scoring defense in the NFL. So much for the myth Marino didn’t have a better defense than Miami’s playoff opponent.

Miami did not make the playoffs in 1996. The 1997 season ended with Miami a playoff loss at New England. Marino could only lead Miami to three points in the loss as he was 17-of-43 passing for just 141 yards and two interceptions. His passer rating that day was a putrid 29.3.

The 1998 season ended with a loss at Denver where Marino would again only lead the Dolphins to just three points losing 38-3. Marino would throw two interceptions and had a passer rating of just 65.5 wasting his team’s number one scoring defense in the NFL in 1998.

In Marino’s final season of 1999, the Dolphins would lose to Jacksonville 62-7 as Marino was just 11-of-25 passing for only 95 yards throwing two interceptions. Marino’s passer rating was a putrid 34.6 that day. Here is a chart comparing career regular season quarterback rating to their career post-season quarterback rating. As you can see, Marino’s QBR decreased significantly in the post-season.

 

[saturdaysarebetter]

Marino had one thousand yard rusher his entire career, and two midgets at WR. And no D.

How do people come up w/ the crapp?

Do you believe that David Woodley’s quarterbacking led the Dolphins to the Super Bowl or was it far more likely it was Miami’s Killer B’s on defense that led the Dolphins to the Super Bowl? That Dolphin defense gave up the second fewest points in the National Football League in 1982, only three points more than the league-leading Washington Commanders.

Five times in his career Marino had a top 10 defense in points allowed (1983, 1984, 1990, 1995 and 1998). Three times he had a top five defense (1983, 1990 and 1998), and twice, he had a defense that led the league in fewest points (1983 and 1998).

That destroys the myth that Dan Marino never had a good enough defense to win a Super Bowl.

 

[saturdaysarebetter]

Marino had one thousand yard rusher his entire career, and two midgets at WR. And no D.

How do people come up w/ the crapp?

Myth number two: You need a good running game or star running back game to reach and win a Super Bowl.

The 1966 Green Bay Packers won the Super Bowl with team-leading rusher Jim Taylor averaging just 3.5 yards per carry and as a team the Packers averaged just 3.5 yards per carry.

The 1967 Green Bay Packers won the Super Bowl with Jim Grabowski as their leading rusher with 466 yards averaging 3.9 yards per carry.

The 1970 Baltimore Colts won the Super Bowl with Norm Bulaich as their leading rusher on the year with 426 yards averaging 3.1 yards per carry. As a team, the Colts averaged just 3.3 yards per carry.

The 1981 San Francisco 49ers won the Super Bowl with Ricky Patton as their leading rusher, gaining only 543 yards and Patton had a 3.6 yards per carry average. Their second leading rusher, Earl Cooper, rushed for just 330 yards and had a 3.4 yards per carry average. On the year, the 49ers averaged just 3.5 yards per rushing attempt.

The 1982 Washington Commanders won the Super Bowl with team-leading rusher John Riggins averaging just 3.1 yards per carry and just 3.6 yards per carry as a team.

The 2003 New England Patriots won the Super Bowl with Antowain Smith being their leading rusher with 642 yards with a 3.5 yards per carry average. The Patriots as a team averaged just 3.4 yards per attempt.

The 2011 New York Giants won the Super Bowl with Ahmad Bradshaw rushing for a team-leading 659 yards on the season with a 3.9 yards per carry average. The Giants on the year averaged just 3.5 yards per attempt.

The 2019 Kansas City Chiefs won the Super Bowl with Darrien Williams being their leading rusher with 498 yards rushing during the regular season.

There are also other examples of teams that averaged less than four yards per carry as a team that went on to win the Super Bowl.

As for Marino and Miami’s running backs, in 1983, Andra Franklin rushed for 746 yards and Tony Nathan had 685 yards and a 4.5 yards per carry average. In 1984, Woody Bennett rushed for 606 yards with a 4.2 yards per carry average and Tony Nathan rushed for 558 yards with a 4.7 yards per carry average.

In 1985, Nathan again had a 4.7 yards per carry average. In 1986, Lorenzo Hampton rushed for 830 yards and had a 4.5 yards per carry average. In 1987, Troy Stradford had a 4.3 yards per carry average.

In 1991 and 1992, Mark Higgs rushed for 905 and 915 yards respectively. In 1994, Bernie Parmalee rushed for 868 yards with a 4.0 yards per carry average.

In 1996, Karim Abdul-Jabbar rushed for 1,116 yards and the next two seasons he rushed for 892 and 960 yards.

Throughout Marino’s career, there were talented running backs behind him that had good rushing years and averaged more than four yards per carry, more than some teams that won a Super Bowl, but it’s worth asking how many times did Marino ever audible out of a pass to a running play? Marino loved to throw the football and Shula let him.

As for myth number two that you need a good running game or star running back game to reach and win a Super Bowl, it’s exactly that – a myth and untrue.

 

[saturdaysarebetter]

I'm waiting for someone to say how Marino didn't play for coaches that knew how to get to and win Super Bowls.

 

[kskboys]

You didn't answer my question.

Did he play well in any of those Super Bowls?

Marino did not play well in big games. Stats don’t lie. Let’s look at Marino’s play in his post-season losses:

In 1983 at home against Seattle, Miami lost 27-20. Marino threw two interceptions in 25 passes and had a passer rating of 77.6 wasting Miami’s number one ranked defense in the NFL. Seattle’s defense was ranked 24th out of 28 in the NFL in points given up.

In 1984 in Super Bowl XIX against San Francisco, despite having the highest scoring team in the NFL and a top-10 defense, Marino would lead Miami to only one touchdown and generate only 16 points. Marino would throw two interceptions that day and had a passer rating of 66.9.

As point of reference as to how badly Marino played on the brightest stage, Trent Dilfer in Super Bowl XXXV, had a passer rating of 80.9 for the Baltimore Ravens against the New York Giants. Dilfer’s career regular season passer rating is 70.2. Dilfer raised his game in the Super Bowl. Marino’s career regular season passer rating is 86.4. His Super Bowl passer rating: 66.9.

In 1985 in the AFC Championship Game at home in Miami, Marino would complete only 20-of-48 passes and throw two interceptions as the Dolphins could only score 14 points against the New England Patriots. Marino’s passer rating that day was 54.9. In comparison, the great Tony Eason was unfazed by big game jitters and outplayed Marino badly, throwing three touchdowns, no interceptions and had a passer rating of 130.9.

The Dolphins wouldn’t make the playoffs during the 1986-1989 seasons. In 1990, in a playoff game at Buffalo, Marino would again throw two interceptions and had a passer rating of 72.1. The Dolphins that year had the fourth best scoring defense in the NFL. The Bills had the sixth best scoring defense in the NFL.

The Dolphins would not make the post-season in 1991. In 1992 at home against the Bills in the playoffs, Marino would throw, you guessed it, two interceptions and had a passer rating of 56.5. Miami would not make the playoffs in 1993.

The 1994 season ended in a playoff game at San Diego, Marino played well in the only time his Dolphins team lost in the post-season. Marino was 24-of-38 for 262 yards with three touchdown passes and no interceptions and had a passer rating of 109.8.

With that sole exception, Marino would throw at least two interceptions in every one of Miami’s season-ending playoff games throughout his entire career. It’s hard to win when your quarterback throws two interceptions in any game, especially a more pressure-packed post-season one. Let’s continue.

The 1995 season ended with a playoff loss at Buffalo where Marino would throw three interceptions and had a passer rating of just 63.4. Miami had the 10th best scoring defense in the NFL. Buffalo had the 12th best scoring defense in the NFL. So much for the myth Marino didn’t have a better defense than Miami’s playoff opponent.

Miami did not make the playoffs in 1996. The 1997 season ended with Miami a playoff loss at New England. Marino could only lead Miami to three points in the loss as he was 17-of-43 passing for just 141 yards and two interceptions. His passer rating that day was a putrid 29.3.

The 1998 season ended with a loss at Denver where Marino would again only lead the Dolphins to just three points losing 38-3. Marino would throw two interceptions and had a passer rating of just 65.5 wasting his team’s number one scoring defense in the NFL in 1998.

In Marino’s final season of 1999, the Dolphins would lose to Jacksonville 62-7 as Marino was just 11-of-25 passing for only 95 yards throwing two interceptions. Marino’s passer rating was a putrid 34.6 that day. Here is a chart comparing career regular season quarterback rating to their career post-season quarterback rating. As you can see, Marino’s QBR decreased significantly in the post-season.

Did you see Mahomes in last year's super bowl?

 

[saturdaysarebetter]

Did you see Mahomes in last year's super bowl?

Sure did. A very Dan Marino big game-like performance. Two interceptions.
He threw a pick-six in which — even if cornerback Cooper DeJean had not picked it off — his intended receiver had no chance of a catch. He threw another interception late in the first half, one that all but sealed it, and it might’ve been worse than the first.