The so called "penny front" that CP will be implementing

[Cowboyny]

Remember all the talk about the 5 man defensive front last season, that is a staple in a Fangio defense that combats the modern spread offense. Remember, CP worked under Fangio at both Denver and Philly, he is going to implement a similar scheme here.

In basic terms it is a 5-1-5 alignment:

3 man line
2 edges lineup wide
1 linebacker
5 defensive backs

This allows the defense to play the so called light box and still keep two safeties back in coverage. Since it only employs 1 linebacker, having that big nickel is very important. It is different than that traditional nickel role that we are used to, it is more of a hybrid player who can handle multiple roles.

Our new defensive back coach comes from Arizona where Gannon also comes from the Fangio coaching tree. They employed many three safety looks where Baker was that hybrid defender like Downs is projected to become, with two deep safeties-1 was Jalen Thompson. You can see why they attacked upgrading the safety position with numbers.

One last thing I wanted to mention, this scheme is all about post snap disguise. They will show a look pre-snap and then shift players post snap to confuse the QB of their intentions. Having versatile safeties like Downs/Thompson allows them to effectively do that.

What is some weaknesses to this alignment:

-Outside runs
-Quick, underneath passes (this is why CP has been preaching high iq, instinctive players)

 

[jrumann59]

Is this fact or is this supposition?

 

[Cowboyny]

Is this fact or is this supposition?

Fact. Head one of the scouts on the draft show, talking about this alignment in referenced wit Barham.

 

[Praxit]

....interesting, mixing things up. Honestly, IDK how things will work.

Optimistically, I see enough talent now, they'll figure it out.

 

[LouBrown]

Eberflus did this a bunch last year. It doesn't work because it is too easy to throw against.

You certainly can't do it against 3WR sets.

What this formation really would be is a 5-2-4 where a safety rolls down to the Will spot against base sets. It's a subpackage.

 

[LouBrown]

This allows the defense to play the so called light box and still keep two safeties back in coverage.

This is not at all correct. A light box always has two deep safeties.

A 5-1-5 would be a light box by numbers (6 defenders) but heavier because you have 5 on the LOS instead of 4.

 

[Risen Star]

If you don't know just say you don't know.

 

[Cowboyny]

Eberflus did this a bunch last year. It doesn't work because it is too easy to throw against.

You certainly can't do it against 3WR sets.

What this formation really would be is a 5-2-4 where a safety rolls down to the Will spot against base sets. It's a subpackage.

Easy to throw against when you have terrible underneath defenders.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Remember all the talk about the 5 man defensive front last season, that is a staple in a Fangio defense that combats the modern spread offense. Remember, CP worked under Fangio at both Denver and Philly, he is going to implement a similar scheme here.

In basic terms it is a 5-1-5 alignment:

3 man line
2 edges lineup wide
1 linebacker
5 defensive backs

This allows the defense to play the so called light box and still keep two safeties back in coverage. Since it only employs 1 linebacker, having that big nickel is very important. It is different than that traditional nickel role that we are used to, it is more of a hybrid player who can handle multiple roles.

Our new defensive back coach comes from Arizona where Gannon also comes from the Fangio coaching tree. They employed many three safety looks where Baker was that hybrid defender like Downs is projected to become, with two deep safeties-1 was Jalen Thompson. You can see why they attacked upgrading the safety position with numbers.

One last thing I wanted to mention, this scheme is all about post snap disguise. They will show a look pre-snap and then shift players post snap to confuse the QB of their intentions. Having versatile safeties like Downs/Thompson allows them to effectively do that.

What is some weaknesses to this alignment:

-Outside runs
-Quick, underneath passes (this is why CP has been preaching high iq, instinctive players)

I guess I'm late to the party, didn't know CP had Fangio as a mentor,,,, liking him even more now.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Remember all the talk about the 5 man defensive front last season, that is a staple in a Fangio defense that combats the modern spread offense. Remember, CP worked under Fangio at both Denver and Philly, he is going to implement a similar scheme here.

In basic terms it is a 5-1-5 alignment:

3 man line
2 edges lineup wide
1 linebacker
5 defensive backs

This allows the defense to play the so called light box and still keep two safeties back in coverage. Since it only employs 1 linebacker, having that big nickel is very important. It is different than that traditional nickel role that we are used to, it is more of a hybrid player who can handle multiple roles.

Our new defensive back coach comes from Arizona where Gannon also comes from the Fangio coaching tree. They employed many three safety looks where Baker was that hybrid defender like Downs is projected to become, with two deep safeties-1 was Jalen Thompson. You can see why they attacked upgrading the safety position with numbers.

One last thing I wanted to mention, this scheme is all about post snap disguise. They will show a look pre-snap and then shift players post snap to confuse the QB of their intentions. Having versatile safeties like Downs/Thompson allows them to effectively do that.

What is some weaknesses to this alignment:

-Outside runs
-Quick, underneath passes (this is why CP has been preaching high iq, instinctive players)

None of this even matters, just stop the run, tell your secondary to locate the ball in the air, get a pass rush, push the pocket, stop the run, and don't play 9 yards back on 3rd and 2

 

[Coogiguy03]

I guess I'm late to the party, didn't know CP had Fangio as a mentor,,,, liking him even more now.

Everything isn't about xs and os

 

[LouBrown]

Easy to throw against when you have terrible underneath defenders.

It doesn't matter, there just aren't bodies to cover everything. That alignment leaves a ton of open space. There are no underneath defenders unless you are rolling down a safety, and that leaves you basically just in cover 3 or man coverage down field.

It is easy to pick apart because you'll have 5-man pressures against 6-man blocking units and at least one vertical WR in man coverage on every snap. Conversely, you leave a lot of open space in the short areas of the field or at mid depth outside.

 

[blueblood70]

Remember all the talk about the 5 man defensive front last season, that is a staple in a Fangio defense that combats the modern spread offense. Remember, CP worked under Fangio at both Denver and Philly, he is going to implement a similar scheme here.

In basic terms it is a 5-1-5 alignment:

3 man line
2 edges lineup wide
1 linebacker
5 defensive backs

This allows the defense to play the so called light box and still keep two safeties back in coverage. Since it only employs 1 linebacker, having that big nickel is very important. It is different than that traditional nickel role that we are used to, it is more of a hybrid player who can handle multiple roles.

Our new defensive back coach comes from Arizona where Gannon also comes from the Fangio coaching tree. They employed many three safety looks where Baker was that hybrid defender like Downs is projected to become, with two deep safeties-1 was Jalen Thompson. You can see why they attacked upgrading the safety position with numbers.

One last thing I wanted to mention, this scheme is all about post snap disguise. They will show a look pre-snap and then shift players post snap to confuse the QB of their intentions. Having versatile safeties like Downs/Thompson allows them to effectively do that.

What is some weaknesses to this alignment:

-Outside runs
-Quick, underneath passes (this is why CP has been preaching high iq, instinctive players)

He's something he runs out there a lot but that won't be the only line he signs up so not that worried about dissecting it right now believe he said multiple fronts It's gonna be depending on who they play with the office looks like what does ski look like the players that have to defend and I hope in one game you might have 34 different lineman start out there you should be constantly evolving to stop Evers in front of you..

Say for instance you're 515 blows up and you pick the wrong game plan for the game I hope it can pivot real hard in a game for once it makes changes and still salvage the game..

Something we have not seen very often usually first quarter game plan gets destroyed and there are no answers especially on defense...

 

[blueblood70]

....interesting, mixing things up. Honestly, IDK how things will work.

Optimistically, I see enough talent now, they'll figure it out.

Exactly they will use every bit of practice, camps, and Pre- season games,

I don't think any defenders or at least none I can think of, that sit out PS games, they are going to have to earn their positions, and we'll find out which one of these schemes and multiple fronts they'll use on a week to week basis, it should change& evolve.. It goes for the F chart it should probably evolve they'll figure it out hopefully by game I'll have more rotation..

 

[beware_d-ware]

It's a wrinkle that's really good at beating certain looks that are popular in Shanahan, McVay style offenses. It's not really a base defense unless one guy in your 5-man front can credibly peel off into coverage... if all five dudes are rushers, then you are basically declaring blitz pre-snap.

The penny look absolutely kills inside zone from spread sets... if your DL is willing to play contain, they can literally leave a back with nowhere to go. And it kills slow-developing play action crossers and sideline shots, because you have deep help and five rushers.

I don't think it's a base defense that you line up in 50 times... it's more of a changeup that you shift into on a 1st and 10. But it's like the rock-beats-scissors counter to 3 or 4 of the McVay offense's staple plays. I'm surprised the NFL hasn't rolled it out more often.

 

[jaythecowboy]

He's something he runs out there a lot but that won't be the only line he signs up so not that worried about dissecting it right now believe he said multiple fronts It's gonna be depending on who they play with the office looks like what does ski look like the players that have to defend and I hope in one game you might have 34 different lineman start out there you should be constantly evolving to stop Evers in front of you..

Say for instance you're 515 blows up and you pick the wrong game plan for the game I hope it can pivot real hard in a game for once it makes changes and still salvage the game..

Something we have not seen very often usually first quarter game plan gets destroyed and there are no answers especially on defense...

They can switch formations even with the same personnel on the field. They can move Barham from being one of the edges to an off ball lb and make the defense big nickel 4-2-5. That’s the advantage of having versatile players.

 

[Whirlwin]

....interesting, mixing things up. Honestly, IDK how things will work.

Optimistically, I see enough talent now, they'll figure it out.

I’ve been singing it for a while, I just didn’t know what to call it. With all the strong safeties we have.

 

[blueblood70]

They can switch formations even with the same personnel on the field. They can move Barham from being one of the edges to an off ball lb and make the defense big nickel 4-2-5. That’s the advantage of having versatile players.

That's what I'm saying and even better they can make look like it's gonna be a 515 and immediately right for the 425 and completely the mouse was the quarterback and center thought was coming. Making those calls and if you're really good and that's not probably going to happen day one but hopefully by the mid-season they start doing that they flash what looks to be the lineup and then bam they just move out of it into something else and blow it all up.

That is something we haven't had in a while ,smart flex players, and scheme, that can evolve, play games with the OC/QB pre snap.

 

[Whirlwin]

If you don't know just say you don't know.

Agree, I’m reading between the lines, lol

 

[JBS]

I went back to watch the eagles cowboys game just to look at the eagles defense

I primarily saw the 5 down look in run downs only. Very small sample size but it looks more like a defense geared to stop the run than anything else from the little I saw