The Steeler model

[atlantacowboy]

the reason both the Pats and steelers have gotten away with letting talent walk is they’ve both had great QBs and very good coaching staffs, esp on defense.

Nope. The "reason" the Pats and Steelers are always in the conversation starts at the very top with an organizational philosophy of how to win football games that has proven to work over a long period time. This overall core value makes it easier to plug in new assistant coaches and identify players that fit the team. "Patriot way" and "Steeler way" are not just platitudes.

These do have great Qbs but even when they don't, they are are still in the thick of playoff hunts. The Steelers were competitive last year without Big Ben. The Patriots made the playoffs with Matt Cassel and still look formidable without Brady.

Most importantly, the Steelers and Pats don't let the offensive skill position players hold them hostage in contract negotiations b/c they recognize that WRS and RBs are easy to replace. They don't pay those positions top dollar and that gives them the flexibility to pay positions like safety and CB............. improve the roster depth.

Dallas makes all the errors. We sign Zeke after a holdout 2 years prior to his rookie deal ending. We sign Amari Cooper to a 9 figure deal.........and then turn around use our first round pick on another WR. Meanwhile, the cleveland browns are gashing us for 300 rushing yards and the secondary can't stop Daniel Jones.

We might have a great coach with a super bowl ring and had a pro bowl QB breaking passing records......... that gets us to .500 maybe. The organization doesn't have a football philosophy that works and thats been the case since JJ left town.

 

[Pape]

[QUOTE="atlantacowboy, post: 10514679, member: 38275" The Patriots made the playoffs with Matt Cassel and still look formidable without Brady.
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nope. lost tie breaker to miami that year

 

[atlantacowboy]

[QUOTE="atlantacowboy, post: 10514679, member: 38275" The Patriots made the playoffs with Matt Cassel and still look formidable without Brady.

nope. lost tie breaker to miami that year[/QUOTE]

They went 11-5........right? Off the top of my head. That wins the AFC EAST 9 out of 10 years. Doesn't detract from the point I'm making at all.

 

[Pape]

nope. lost tie breaker to miami that year

They went 11-5........right? Off the top of my head. That wins the AFC EAST 9 out of 10 years. Doesn't detract from the point I'm making at all.[/QUOTE]

yes, they went 11-5 in 2008... it was the second time the Pats lost a playoff tiebreaker to Miami under BB, the first was 2002, when they went 9-7...

I like the way the Pats handle their business, but it is tough to see the talent drain year after year despite the successes of the franchise... head knows, heart wants...

its a tough path to walk, and its easy to understand why more teams don't follow that plan... its easy to get enamored by a player because of how good they are...

 

[Flamma]

You know what the Patriots model was? Having Brady/Bill to make up for the rest. It's easy not to have to rely on paying your star players when they were so good, they could play with lesser skill players than others.

You know what I've noticed they've done? Focus on QB and defense. Have serviceable players at the skilled positions and a good game plan. Bill really doesn't value the WR and RB all that much. Not enough to break the bank. He'll get the best he can get, but he won't spend a ton. He does seem to value TE however.

Jerry Jones seems to over value WR and RB to a fault. Yeah it's great to have 3 number 1 WRs and a star RB. But how much different is that really from a team with a good QB, a number 1 WR, and a few good complimentary WRs? A really good QB can pick you apart with say, Julio Jones, Cobb, and Beasley. It's really not that much different. As opposed to having multiple impact players on defense. That can make a world of difference in wins and losses.

 

[atlantacowboy]

They went 11-5........right? Off the top of my head. That wins the AFC EAST 9 out of 10 years. Doesn't detract from the point I'm making at all.

yes, they went 11-5 in 2008... it was the second time the Pats lost a playoff tiebreaker to Miami under BB, the first was 2002, when they went 9-7...

I like the way the Pats handle their business, but it is tough to see the talent drain year after year despite the successes of the franchise... head knows, heart wants...

its a tough path to walk, and its easy to understand why more teams don't follow that plan... its easy to get enamored by a player because of how good they are...[/QUOTE]

More teams don't follow that plan and they aren't successful. Most teams get a star WR or RB and hold on for dear life. They don't have the organizational confidence to replace players. What the Pats have done picking near the end of every round for decades is simply unique in this era. Pittsburgh is probably next with a similar "next man up" team philosophy. But I realize that Dallas is far from the only team that hasn't figured out football in the capped era.

 

[Blackspider214]

You know what I've noticed they've done? Focus on QB and defense. Have serviceable players at the skilled positions and a good game plan. Bill really doesn't value the WR and RB all that much. Not enough to break the bank. He'll get the best he can get, but he won't spend a ton. He does seem to value TE however.

Jerry Jones seems to over value WR and RB to a fault. Yeah it's great to have 3 number 1 WRs and a star RB. But how much different is that really from a team with a good QB, a number 1 WR, and a few good complimentary WRs? A really good QB can pick you apart with say, Julio Jones, Cobb, and Beasley. It's really not that much different. As opposed to having multiple impact players on defense. That can make a world of difference in wins and losses.

Again, it's easy to do that when you have Brady/Bill, the best combo in NFL history. No other team is close to this.And let's not act like NE did not go after some good WRs. Randy Moss comes to mind.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Again, it's easy to do that when you have Brady/Bill, the best combo in NFL history. No other team is close to this.And let's not act like NE did not go after some good WRs. Randy Moss comes to mind.

Randy Moss was a reclamation project they got for a 4th round draft pick from Oakland where he was doing nothing. NE never signed him to a long term deal and got rid of him as soon as he expressed displeasure about it. Bill doesn't tolerate disgruntled players. We appease disgruntled players.

 

[Flamma]

Again, it's easy to do that when you have Brady/Bill, the best combo in NFL history. No other team is close to this.And let's not act like NE did not go after some good WRs. Randy Moss comes to mind.

They got Moss in a trade for a 4th round pick.

 

[RS12]

The Rooneys and Krafts don't pretend to be NFL personnel guys. Let's start there.

 

[atlantacowboy]

The Rooneys and Krafts don't pretend to be NFL personnel guys. Let's start there.

True. The problem in Dallas absolutely starts with the Jones family meddling in area where they have no talent. Our team's football philosophy is whatever Jones is selling at the moment.

 

[Pape]

The Rooneys and Krafts don't pretend to be NFL personnel guys. Let's start there.

Hahaha Kraft did for a while... and we got the all time great Parcells quote “If they want you to cook the dinner, at least they ought to let you shop for some of the groceries.” and lead him to walk out the door after the super bowl (it was alleged & the rumors had been out there for most of the 96 season, but never 100% proven, he was negotiating with the Jets early on)...

 

[exciter]

I'm looking back at all the pro bowlers that tried to hold Pittsburgh hostage over contract negotiations............ Pittsburgh let them all walk. Leveon Bell, Antonio Brown, Mike Wallace, Santonio Holmes.....Plaxico Burress.....none of them did anything after losing their contract battle with the Steelers front office. Patriots have the same model.

Thats the model the Dallas Cowboys should be using. When a player becomes a malcontent over salary, they need to go. Management needs to stop appeasing the unhappy and look out for the best interest of the team which is always going to be salary cap flexibility. Those big guys in the middle, secondary players, TE...... these are unglamorous positions but hugely important to a team and not a place to settle for JAGS. You SHOULD go cheap at WR and RB b/c those positions are easily filled in the draft. We have been doing it backward with predictable results...... a top heavy roster with no depth.

That the same Steelers who were 8-8 last season 9-6-1 in 2018 have beaten the giants, broncos, Texans, eagles and browns with a hurt mayfield and spent the last decade not being able to get over the hump that is the patriots, colts and Broncos?