The trade and the draft

[CouchCoach]

I know most are really upset about giving up a 1st for Amari Cooper but most feel we would have gone for one of the two WR's from Ole Miss with the 1st so at least they get a WR that we know has done something in the NFL.

If they felt one would not be there, they might have given up additional draft picks to move up after Metcalf and as we know rookie WR's can be iffy. Like I said, at least Cooper has proven he can play.

The other side of this is that some are assuming they were going to use that 1st, probably along with a few other picks, to move up for a QB and that is only as assumption. Dak has one more year on this contract and they can still take a QB, just not in the 1st. But let's be realistic, this draft will not be deep in blue chip QB's so moving up with other teams, with worse records, looking for a trigger puller would not be easy and could cost a lot.

I think adding a WR this far into the season is a stretch that he will have appreciable impact this season but he was an elite WR at Bama and for a while in OAK, when they had Crabtree. So, this move will necessitate a #2 better than what the Cowboys have had, unless Gallup can fill that role going forward.

The trade is a known, he's been a good player and he is not Roy Williams. That 1st pick in April was a complete unknown.

Might just want to back off on the anger and see how this settles in and see what this QB can do with that WR and if that helps him.

If you read my posts, you know I am no fan of this brain trust; however, this could be a good move. They are, in fact, admitting what they thought in the off season was wrong, they have to have a #1 caliber WR if for nothing else to help the run game and Cooper is a good run blocker and just might stop DC's from doing what they did in D.C. They just sat on the run game and that was going to be what we saw from here on out.

Let's just wait and see, plenty of time to trash the FO later and you know we'll find something else if this works out.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

And that off season mistake cost us.

 

[ShiningStar]

I know most are really upset about giving up a 1st for Amari Cooper but most feel we would have gone for one of the two WR's from Ole Miss with the 1st so at least they get a WR that we know has done something in the NFL.

If they felt one would not be there, they might have given up additional draft picks to move up after Metcalf and as we know rookie WR's can be iffy. Like I said, at least Cooper has proven he can play.

The other side of this is that some are assuming they were going to use that 1st, probably along with a few other picks, to move up for a QB and that is only as assumption. Dak has one more year on this contract and they can still take a QB, just not in the 1st. But let's be realistic, this draft will not be deep in blue chip QB's so moving up with other teams, with worse records, looking for a trigger puller would not be easy and could cost a lot.

I think adding a WR this far into the season is a stretch that he will have appreciable impact this season but he was an elite WR at Bama and for a while in OAK, when they had Crabtree. So, this move will necessitate a #2 better than what the Cowboys have had, unless Gallup can fill that role going forward.

The trade is a known, he's been a good player and he is not Roy Williams. That 1st pick in April was a complete unknown.

Might just want to back off on the anger and see how this settles in and see what this QB can do with that WR and if that helps him.

If you read my posts, you know I am no fan of this brain trust; however, this could be a good move. They are, in fact, admitting what they thought in the off season was wrong, they have to have a #1 caliber WR if for nothing else to help the run game and Cooper is a good run blocker and just might stop DC's from doing what they did in D.C. They just sat on the run game and that was going to be what we saw from here on out.

Let's just wait and see, plenty of time to trash the FO later and you know we'll find something else if this works out.

we lost a first. the only consolation that some of us had was "well we knew the season would suck, but the draft will be better" now we dont even have that and everyone who defends Garrett and this FO is out there dancing in the streets for our mediocrity, which will now be extended.

 

[Ken]

One thing....they clealy never believed they could go without a #1 as they went hard after Watkins. Ii agree though, let's see what happens before passing judgement.

Cooper makes everyone else fit much better in their roles and could really help our running game.

 

[AmericanCowboy]

You always keep your first round pick. If you trade it you trade it at the beginning of the year, when you can get the most time/value out of the pick.

You dont make the trade at the deadline when your team is 3-4

 

[AmericanCowboy]

we lost a first. the only consolation that some of us had was "well we knew the season would suck, but the draft will be better" now we dont even have that and everyone who defends Garrett and this FO is out there dancing in the streets for our mediocrity, which will now be extended.

Literally the only thing Garrett is good at is the draft.

 

[CouchCoach]

And that off season mistake cost us.

Yes, it did but they're trying to fix that so I will at least sit back and watch this unfold. This may also have an ancillary benefit, this could help accelerate Gallup's development. Dez's presence helped Williams but he does not have the skill set that Gallup has.

The 4 happiest players on the team are Dak, Zeke, Beasley and Gallup.

 

[CouchCoach]

You always keep your first round pick. If you trade it you trade it at the beginning of the year, when you can get the most time/value out of the pick.

You don't make the trade at the deadline when your team is 3-4

That is one school of thought bot the Bears and Cowboys decided they needed these players now.

I think there is also another dynamic in this. They tried to get Watkins and after that failed, they really didn't do anything to help their QB with WR's and I think they're looking at this as making it up to Dak and the offense. If a team does not have at least 1 WR to worry a DC, that can really hamstring the entire offense and team.

 

[Jarv]

we lost a first. the only consolation that some of us had was "well we knew the season would suck, but the draft will be better" now we dont even have that and everyone who defends Garrett and this FO is out there dancing in the streets for our mediocrity, which will now be extended.

No worries, our second round pick will be like a high 1st...Maybe we'll get pick #33 and the Raiders will get #1!...lol

 

[BleedinBlue]

I'm going to have a wait and see attitude on this one. I don't like giving up the #1 pick based on the Boys FA approach recently but they'll have more than enough money to make up for the pick. The off season is 2 phases maybe ole Jerruh will make some bold moves?

 

[CouchCoach]

we lost a first. the only consolation that some of us had was "well we knew the season would suck, but the draft will be better" now we dont even have that and everyone who defends Garrett and this FO is out there dancing in the streets for our mediocrity, which will now be extended.

SS, not everyone wanted the team to shut it down and go for the draft pick in 2019, we still have 9 games to go and until a season is officially mathematically eliminated, most want to hold out some hope.

The Cowboys are not a bad team, they're just not a very good team right now. There are some season ticket holders glad they haven't thrown in the towel and are still trying to do something this season. Doesn't the ownership owe it to the ticket buyers to try and give them the best product they can while they can? The clock was ticking on the trade deadline and to stand pat with this WR corps would have sent the wrong message to not only the fans but the team. If I am on this team, particularly on offense, I am very happy they did something as it is apparent the Cowboys had one of the worst receiving corps in the league.

 

[KingintheNorth]

he's been a good player and he is not Roy Williams

Don't you think Jerry (and many fans here) thought Roy was pretty dang good at the time of the trade?

 

[ultron]

The 'first round pick' [essentially] will be a certain safety that "plays" in Seattle... #29 to be exact.

 

[cern]

I know most are really upset about giving up a 1st for Amari Cooper but most feel we would have gone for one of the two WR's from Ole Miss with the 1st so at least they get a WR that we know has done something in the NFL.

If they felt one would not be there, they might have given up additional draft picks to move up after Metcalf and as we know rookie WR's can be iffy. Like I said, at least Cooper has proven he can play.

The other side of this is that some are assuming they were going to use that 1st, probably along with a few other picks, to move up for a QB and that is only as assumption. Dak has one more year on this contract and they can still take a QB, just not in the 1st. But let's be realistic, this draft will not be deep in blue chip QB's so moving up with other teams, with worse records, looking for a trigger puller would not be easy and could cost a lot.

I think adding a WR this far into the season is a stretch that he will have appreciable impact this season but he was an elite WR at Bama and for a while in OAK, when they had Crabtree. So, this move will necessitate a #2 better than what the Cowboys have had, unless Gallup can fill that role going forward.

The trade is a known, he's been a good player and he is not Roy Williams. That 1st pick in April was a complete unknown.

Might just want to back off on the anger and see how this settles in and see what this QB can do with that WR and if that helps him.

If you read my posts, you know I am no fan of this brain trust; however, this could be a good move. They are, in fact, admitting what they thought in the off season was wrong, they have to have a #1 caliber WR if for nothing else to help the run game and Cooper is a good run blocker and just might stop DC's from doing what they did in D.C. They just sat on the run game and that was going to be what we saw from here on out.

Let's just wait and see, plenty of time to trash the FO later and you know we'll find something else if this works out.[/QUOTE

 

[beware_d-ware]

Opening this thread is the first time I've heard about this trade. I feel sick to my stomach.

Cooper is a freaking bum. Dak can't hit the WRs he has when they're open, and new WRs won't fix that. Cooper's contract balloons to $14 million next year. Our first rounder is pretty much guaranteed to be a top 20 pick.

Ugh. This just disgusts me. We had been doing so well about not overpaying players and holding off on the Earl Thomas trade, and then Jerry decides to go full Jerry and trade for a 1st round WR at about the worst possible time.

This is LITERALLY the Roy Williams trade all over again. We're taking a top 10 pick with 1 or 2 good years and a lazy streak and hoping we could make him something better than he was. Just freaking disgusted with this team right now.

 

[cern]

I know most are really upset about giving up a 1st for Amari Cooper but most feel we would have gone for one of the two WR's from Ole Miss with the 1st so at least they get a WR that we know has done something in the NFL.

If they felt one would not be there, they might have given up additional draft picks to move up after Metcalf and as we know rookie WR's can be iffy. Like I said, at least Cooper has proven he can play.

The other side of this is that some are assuming they were going to use that 1st, probably along with a few other picks, to move up for a QB and that is only as assumption. Dak has one more year on this contract and they can still take a QB, just not in the 1st. But let's be realistic, this draft will not be deep in blue chip QB's so moving up with other teams, with worse records, looking for a trigger puller would not be easy and could cost a lot.

I think adding a WR this far into the season is a stretch that he will have appreciable impact this season but he was an elite WR at Bama and for a while in OAK, when they had Crabtree. So, this move will necessitate a #2 better than what the Cowboys have had, unless Gallup can fill that role going forward.

The trade is a known, he's been a good player and he is not Roy Williams. That 1st pick in April was a complete unknown.

Might just want to back off on the anger and see how this settles in and see what this QB can do with that WR and if that helps him.

If you read my posts, you know I am no fan of this brain trust; however, this could be a good move. They are, in fact, admitting what they thought in the off season was wrong, they have to have a #1 caliber WR if for nothing else to help the run game and Cooper is a good run blocker and just might stop DC's from doing what they did in D.C. They just sat on the run game and that was going to be what we saw from here on out.

Let's just wait and see, plenty of time to trash the FO later and you know we'll find something else if this works out.

I agree. don't know where we'll draft next year. don't know who'll be on the board when we draft. don't know if there will be any trade partners. don't know how well cooper will play. plenty of time to excoriate the front office if he doesn't pan out well.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I'll try to look at this rationally. We probably felt we still have a good chance to win this division given the down years for Philly and NY and the fact that we almost beat Washington. We think we're a #1 WR away from competing for the division and maybe a Super Bowl, so we thought a veteran WR now was more valuable than a rookie WR next year. I can understand it. I still don't think he was worth the pick. There are far better WRs in this league.

 

[Nova]

That 1st rounder is an unknown, sure. But the Cowboys have a great track record with 1st rounders dating back to 2010.

But I somewhat agree. You're essentially getting first rounder that you have to pay more with Cooper.

Ian Rappaport pointed it out: Cooper is only 6 months older than Calvin Ridley. You just only get him for 2 more years and then have to shell out a large contract.

But on the flip side, you're not waiting 2-3 years for him to develop either.

 

[glimmerman]

It replaces Dez talent. I haven’t watched him play and don’t know his skill set. Size? Possession receiver or speed?

But apparently he is real good and real young. JJ is all in on Dak. He is anticipating that he will in the future see the open receivers and read defenses better than now. That’s not a far stretch.

Guessing this was being worked on before this game. No way JJ looks at yesterday’s game and says it was on our WR.

He had to see the mismanagement of the clock by JG and the fact he played that like he was going for a game winning FG and had OT in the bag.

Or the play Dak fumbles on the goal line. Elliot was wide open and his nearest defender was well over 5 yards away, he hits Elliot on the run and he out runs the defender. If no first down then the fumble still never happens and we are talking about a win today.

Maybe he isn’t done. But it seems like he is going to use this move as a hey look over here and not at our HC or OC. He may simply fire Linehan? Running out of options.

If it’s me I fire JG and promote Richard or Marinelli, to late in the season to bring in a new playbook. So either fire Linehan also and get a new playcaller or let him continue under the advice of a new HC. Richard would be more aggressive when it comes to game situation decisions.

 

[Nova]

I'll try to look at this rationally. We probably felt we still have a good chance to win this division given the down years for Philly and NY and the fact that we almost beat Washington. We think we're a #1 WR away from competing for the division and maybe a Super Bowl, so we thought a veteran WR now was more valuable than a rookie WR next year. I can understand it. I still don't think he was worth the pick. There are far better WRs in this league.

Another positive way to think of it is that we'll have a fully developed #1 WR next year before for one last "all in" campaign.