The U.S.'s New 1,000 Satellite Anti-Nuke Defense System

[Pass2Run]

I remember when people laughed at the idea of a space force. Not trying to get into the P-word here. I just love keeping up with military tech. And I think this is pretty awesome.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I remember when people laughed at the idea of a space force. Not trying to get into the P-word here. I just love keeping up with military tech. And I think this is pretty awesome.

Proposed. Not active

 

[Pass2Run]

Proposed. Not active

I would bet there's some of these satellites already in place. Just my hunch.

 

[nobody]

I remember when people laughed at the idea of a space force. Not trying to get into the P-word here. I just love keeping up with military tech. And I think this is pretty awesome.

I thought it was a good idea at the time because it was ahead of the curve. The writing was on the wall that other countries (non-friendly) were going to catch up in space and start doing things there, like China's satellite dog-fighting practice. As much of a joke as people thought the "Space Force" was, it serves a real need. Very few countries actually signed agreements for limiting hostilities in space, and fewer still obeyed their agreements. I'm sure there are nukes up there.

 

[Pass2Run]

I thought it was a good idea at the time because it was ahead of the curve. The writing was on the wall that other countries (non-friendly) were going to catch up in space and start doing things there, like China's satellite dog-fighting practice. As much of a joke as people thought the "Space Force" was, it serves a real need. Very few countries actually signed agreements for limiting hostilities in space, and fewer still obeyed their agreements. I'm sure there are nukes up there.

Agree. I think there's probably nuke capability up there too.

The dog fighting maneuvers were a bit alarming, but that's because I think those are able to potentially displace the defense system satellites, potentially before a strike. Although im only speaking theoretically.

Anyway, I love this stuff. I probably should have made this a general military tech thread.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Did we need a space force when we put in the star wars, aka SDI, program?

 

[rags747]

I remember when people laughed at the idea of a space force. Not trying to get into the P-word here. I just love keeping up with military tech. And I think this is pretty awesome.

Seems to me that this Iron Dome should be offered for the entire planet. Would eliminate the nuclear threat of EVERYONE! Everybody would love that solution I’m sure!

 

[Pass2Run]

Seems to me that this Iron Dome should be offered for the entire planet. Would eliminate the nuclear threat of EVERYONE! Everybody would love that solution I’m sure.

To me, it seems like that would be possible with this Golden Dome, which would/could have thousands of anti-ICBM defense satellites capable of intercepting them if not in the launch phase then in the intermediate phase.

With all the tension in today's world, I'd be for it, too.

 

[VaqueroTD]

I don’t think it’s ever a bad investment in anything that prevents Armageddon.

 

[rags747]

To me, it seems like that would be possible with this Golden Dome, which would/could have thousands of anti-ICBM defense satellites capable of intercepting them if not in the launch phase then in the intermediate phase.

With all the tension in today's world, I'd be for it, too.

Agreed because u know that if we have our Iron Dome China will develop their own and there is a good chance that they could develop their own sooner. It seems that it would just become another level of MAD. Crazy world for sure…

 

[Creeper]

Sounds great but in reality this just creates another arms race.

If we build a system that is capable of knocking out all incoming nuclear threats, our adversaries will see this as an offensive threat. If they can't attack us successfully, then we can attack them without concern for a counter attack. Mutually Assured Destruction is broken, and, our adversaries will immediately begin developing weapons systems to defeat the iron dome, if that's what it is called.

The next step in this process would be to develop intelligent delivery systems. China is supposedly already developing a system to put missiles in orbit which can "lurk" in space for years until they are activated for attack. The missiles would then use AI to identify targets and defeat defense systems.

And of course, China and Russia both already have anti-satellite missile systems capable of destroying US military satellites in orbit.

Technology advancements make weapons more effective, but that same technology makes counter-weaponry more effective too.

I suppose the argument is, we have no choice. Russia is developing, and supposedly has already deployed, hypersonic missiles. China has made advances too. Until we solve our geopolitical problems I suppose an arms race is the only option we have.

 

[zrinkill]

And of course, China and Russia both already have anti-satellite missile systems capable of destroying US military satellites in orbit.

People still believe what China and Russia claim?

 

[Pass2Run]

Agreed because u know that if we have our Iron Dome China will develop their own and there is a good chance that they could develop their own sooner. It seems that it would just become another level of MAD. Crazy world for sure…

The only problem, and this is what a lot of environmentalists and scientists either don't know or leave out, is that the nuclear testing in the atmosphere depletes the ozone layer, which is the likely the real cause of climate change, imo.

I'd hope the systems take out the ICBMs in space...the detonation could still have devastating effects on our environment if there were enough of them.

 

[gtb1943]

The only problem, and this is what a lot of environmentalists and scientists either don't know or leave out, is that the nuclear testing in the atmosphere depletes the ozone layer, which is the likely the real cause of climate change, imo.

I'd hope the systems take out the ICBMs in space...the detonation could still have devastating effects on our environment if there were enough of them.

https://www.noaa.gov/news-release/2024-antarctic-ozone-hole-ranks-7th-smallest-since-recovery-began

So this kind of makes your claim invalid

 

[gtb1943]

Sounds great but in reality this just creates another arms race.

If we build a system that is capable of knocking out all incoming nuclear threats, our adversaries will see this as an offensive threat. If they can't attack us successfully, then we can attack them without concern for a counter attack. Mutually Assured Destruction is broken, and, our adversaries will immediately begin developing weapons systems to defeat the iron dome, if that's what it is called.

The next step in this process would be to develop intelligent delivery systems. China is supposedly already developing a system to put missiles in orbit which can "lurk" in space for years until they are activated for attack. The missiles would then use AI to identify targets and defeat defense systems.

And of course, China and Russia both already have anti-satellite missile systems capable of destroying US military satellites in orbit.

Technology advancements make weapons more effective, but that same technology makes counter-weaponry more effective too.

I suppose the argument is, we have no choice. Russia is developing, and supposedly has already deployed, hypersonic missiles. China has made advances too. Until we solve our geopolitical problems I suppose an arms race is the only option we have.

Standing there with your arms down and your chin out is pretty stupid when facing enemies

 

[Denim Chicken]

https://www.noaa.gov/news-release/2024-antarctic-ozone-hole-ranks-7th-smallest-since-recovery-began

So this kind of makes your claim invalid

Why, there are less detentions than there used to be so stands it seems to track? Although the ban on CFCs is really the most relevant cause of the ozone replenishment.

 

[Pass2Run]

I always consider the fact things like this are often classified.

Not to mention, ground based testing likely also has an impact.

Like I said before, JMO.

https://www.bikiniatoll.info/impacts-of-atmospheric-nuclear-testing-on-the-environment/#:~:text=Ozone Layer Depletion,which can destroy ozone molecules.

 

[gtb1943]

Why, there are less detentions than there used to be so stands it seems to track? Although the ban on CFCs is really the most relevant cause of the ozone replenishment.

the last surface nuclear test was in 1974 by the French

so your claims about what surface tests do are completely without foundation

 

[gtb1943]

I always consider the fact things like this are often classified.

Not to mention, ground based testing likely also has an impact.

Like I said before, JMO.

https://www.bikiniatoll.info/impacts-of-atmospheric-nuclear-testing-on-the-environment/#:~:text=Ozone Layer Depletion,which can destroy ozone molecules.

word gets out as regards tests; and there have been nothing but underground testing since 1974 so show ANY evidence of your claim

 

[rags747]

I wonder how large the Ozone hole was one thousand years ago, how about the daze of the Romans!